[Theory] Tobi doesn't have Obito eye

[Em3plum]

it is really simple
1.I read alot of post that say"he only has one sharingan thats why in his old mask he only showed 1 eye" it has to be Obito
Refute 1. okay he helped Itachi take out the uchiha clan so why wouldn't he have taken one of the many eyes and implanted it.
Refute 2. when he fought konan in chapter 510 page 8 he clearly shows 2 Sharingans

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2." He knows Kakashi"
Refute 1. Kakashi is the world famous copy ninja who has copied over a thousand different jutsus everyone has heard of Kakashi the fourth raikage even knew Sasuke was using his technique when they fought.
Refute 2. Tobi has Zetsu to go as a recon so i am assuming he has given him intel on most of the ninja in the hidden leaf.
Refute 3. Tobi is also insanely familiar with the leaf village having bypassed all of the security with out being sensed.

3." he uses same jutsu as Kakashi"
Refute 1. Kamui and Tobi's unnamed jutsu are very similiar but then again Kakashi's chidori and the third raikage's jutsu are very similar no one is saying he taught Kakashi that jutsu

I have read many post saying this and that about tobi but this thread is my refute to the most popular refutes to those arguments.

PS: personally i think he is either izuna or kagami but that is another post

 

[zombiejesus]

he keeps the right eye the same all the time he changes the left eye smh

 

[EggesGabo]

one jutsu, not one sharingan.

 

[Ciberr]

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[nj tandi]

it is really simple
1.I read alot of post that say"he only has one sharingan thats why in his old mask he only showed 1 eye" it has to be Obito
Refute 1. okay he helped Itachi take out the uchiha clan so why wouldn't he have taken one of the many eyes and implanted it.
Refute 2. when he fought konan in chapter 510 page 8 he clearly shows 2 Sharingans

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2." He knows Kakashi"
Refute 1. Kakashi is the world famous copy ninja who has copied over a thousand different jutsus everyone has heard of Kakashi the fourth raikage even knew Sasuke was using his technique when they fought.
Refute 2. Tobi has Zetsu to go as a recon so i am assuming he has given him intel on most of the ninja in the hidden leaf.
Refute 3. Tobi is also insanely familiar with the leaf village having bypassed all of the security with out being sensed.

3." he uses same jutsu as Kakashi"
Refute 1. Kamui and Tobi's unnamed jutsu are very similiar but then again Kakashi's chidori and the third raikage's jutsu are very similar no one is saying he taught Kakashi that jutsu

I have read many post saying this and that about tobi but this thread is my refute to the most popular refutes to those arguments.

PS: personally i think he is either izuna or kagami but that is another post

This is obvious.Obito's right eye was crushed.
And yes Tobi took a lot of Sharingans from the Uchiha massacre,it shows them in episode where Tobi tries to take Shisui's eye from Danzõ.

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[Whiteknight]

it is really simple
1.I read alot of post that say"he only has one sharingan thats why in his old mask he only showed 1 eye" it has to be Obito
Refute 1. okay he helped Itachi take out the uchiha clan so why wouldn't he have taken one of the many eyes and implanted it.
Refute 2. when he fought konan in chapter 510 page 8 he clearly shows 2 Sharingans

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And keep in mind as we've seen with Danzo: Tobi could potentially have MANY sharingan eyes implanted throughout his body. He's wearing a mask with three eye holes, for crying out loud (even though we haven't seen a third eye through that third hole). We know he has a laboratory filled with sharingan eyes in jars. We also know that at least his one arm isn't original, so he's probably got some kind of crazy frankenstein body with lots of stolen parts.

3." he uses same jutsu as Kakashi"
Refute 1. Kamui and Tobi's unnamed jutsu are very similiar but then again Kakashi's chidori and the third raikage's jutsu are very similar no one is saying he taught Kakashi that jutsu

Well, look at it this way: Itachi and Sasuke both were able to use Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. However, Itachi's version of Tsukuyomi was able to manipulate the passage of time, but Sasuke's wasn't. Sasuke was able to extinguish Amaterasu, but Itachi wasn't.

Itachi's Susanoo had a special sword that sealed away anybody who was hit in an enternal genjutsu. Sasuke's Susanoo has weapons strengthened by blaze release black flames. AND don't forget Madara who also has Susanoo, but hasn't shown it with either a genjutsu sword OR blaze-release arrows. His seems like just a normal Susanoo.

So even if Tobi has the "same" technique as Kakashi (Kamui) their capabilities with it might be very different. If Kakashi has the ability to send items to the other dimension, Tobi clearly has the ability to send things there AND bring them back (including himself). So sure, it could be the same technique but it is clearly a different level of control than what Kakashi has. But, even at different levels, they can be the same technique without them having to be the same person.

So yes, your analyses here seem correct.

 

[CudaJoe]

Obito's eye wasnt crushed. He was using his MS ability to transport his body to the other dimension... That would be the ability of the right eye MS of Obito if Tobi is Obito right?

 

[lnvalid]

and the fact that kishi himself said "Madara knows tobi personally" proves it aswell, Obito and madara were in different times.

 

[pdaworld]

it is really simple
1.I read alot of post that say"he only has one sharingan thats why in his old mask he only showed 1 eye" it has to be Obito
Refute 1. okay he helped Itachi take out the uchiha clan so why wouldn't he have taken one of the many eyes and implanted it.
Refute 2. when he fought konan in chapter 510 page 8 he clearly shows 2 Sharingans

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2." He knows Kakashi"
Refute 1. Kakashi is the world famous copy ninja who has copied over a thousand different jutsus everyone has heard of Kakashi the fourth raikage even knew Sasuke was using his technique when they fought.
Refute 2. Tobi has Zetsu to go as a recon so i am assuming he has given him intel on most of the ninja in the hidden leaf.
Refute 3. Tobi is also insanely familiar with the leaf village having bypassed all of the security with out being sensed.

3." he uses same jutsu as Kakashi"
Refute 1. Kamui and Tobi's unnamed jutsu are very similiar but then again Kakashi's chidori and the third raikage's jutsu are very similar no one is saying he taught Kakashi that jutsu

I have read many post saying this and that about tobi but this thread is my refute to the most popular refutes to those arguments.

PS: personally i think he is either izuna or kagami but that is another post

issue with the second point. he did say he knows kakashi but you failed to mention that he hinted that kakashi should recognize him as well but he forgot his face

 

[Em3plum]

Obito's eye wasnt crushed. He was using his MS ability to transport his body to the other dimension... That would be the ability of the right eye MS of Obito if Tobi is Obito right?

he had ms with a 2 tomoe sharingan Come man damn remember he just got his sharingan and u saying he already unlocked ms smh


and how come i never get any rep for making good threads

 

[CudaJoe]

he had ms with a 2 tomoe sharingan Come man damn remember he just got his sharingan and u saying he already unlocked ms smh


and how come i never get any rep for making good threads

Thats true but maybe thats what Obito's character wants you to think as the reader. Maybe he already had MS unlocked and was just playing possum. Maybe he was looking for a window of opportunity to exit the Leaf village without arousing suspicion and faking his death was the perfect way.

I said it in another thread before, how many Uchiha clan members do you know that run around and act like a numbskull, Naruto style, lol. I feel it maybe an act much like Tobi's Numbskull act as Deidara's side kick.

Im only providing idea's to the group here. Your points are taken but I mean anything can be reasoned. Im not saying what I say is truth just some ideas for people to ponder over.

 

[0moi]

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Chief..... In the latest chapter Kakashi just said it's the same jutsu. Yet you neighsayers continue to say its either not the same or very similar smh. FACE FACTS!!!! They are both using Kamui. Tobi's right eye is Obito Uchiha's, Kakashi Hatake's left eye is Obito Uchiha's.

 

[Kettei]

I believe he does.

 

[Takos]

2." He knows Kakashi"
Refute 1. Kakashi is the world famous copy ninja who has copied over a thousand different jutsus everyone has heard of Kakashi the fourth raikage even knew Sasuke was using his technique when they fought.
Refute 2. Tobi has Zetsu to go as a recon so i am assuming he has given him intel on most of the ninja in the hidden leaf.
Refute 3. Tobi is also insanely familiar with the leaf village having bypassed all of the security with out being sensed.

Wrong. Tobi seems to know Kakashi PERSONALLY. Come on, the fact that Kakashi lived a life of regret is not a common knowledge to shinobi world. Kakashi is rather shy and silent about his past, not even his team knows how he obtained his Sharingan. Besides, Kakashi and Guy didn't expect such a statement from Tobi and Guy's question "Just who are you?" indicates they didn't expect him to know such things. I also find it a poor explanation that Zetsu aquired such information. So you're saying Tobi wanted to learn all kinds of personal stuff about Konoha ninjas? Doesn't make sense.

3." he uses same jutsu as Kakashi"
Refute 1. Kamui and Tobi's unnamed jutsu are very similiar but then again Kakashi's chidori and the third raikage's jutsu are very similar no one is saying he taught Kakashi that jutsu

It's more than that. Kamui is an MS jutsu. So if Tobi's unnamed jutsu is indeed Kamui or something very similar, then it means Kakashi and Tobi not only use the same or similar jutsu, but they also have the same or similar MS.

 

[Beetle]

Why would Tobi go underground and fetch Obito's Sharingan (that was crushed)? Makes no sense.

 

[Takos]

It was never said it was crushed. Obito just said he felt his right side was crushed, but it obviously didn't mean all of it was. In that case part of his brain would also have to be crushed and therefore he would have died instantly.

 

[Beetle]

Now go on to tell me how Tobi knew he unlocked the Sharingan shortly before his death, knew where his body was left, and felt the compulsion to implant a fodder ninjas Sharingan in his eye when he has plenty more.

 

[Takos]

Sure. As we can see in Kakashi's case, Obito's Sharingan is pretty powerful, no? As of now, only Obito's and Tobi's (which can be Obito's as well) Sharingan can cast spacetime jutsu. Itachi can't do it, Sasuke can't do it, Madara can't do it, and such a jutsu is damn more dangerous than any amaterasu, tsukyomi or even susanoo if used properly.

As for how Tobi knew Obito awakened it and where he was buried... well, he could have accidentally found his body. But that's just one of many ways.

Next you can ask how he knew Obito's Sharingan could do that, but there are plenty of possible expanations here as well.

Of course there's a different theory altogether - that Tobi not only has Obito's eye, but is Obito.

Anyway, both theories are much more plausible than the one that some almost unknown shinobi in narutoverse, like Kagami, is Tobi.

 

[0moi]

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Don't click "Show" if you haven't read\started\finished the latest chapter....
Kakashi & Obito are most definitely using the same jutsu; Kamui. Meaning they each possess an eye that belonged to Obito Uchiha..... Not Obito's father, not Obito's uncle, not Obito's grandfather, not Obito's relative, OBITO'S!!!! Kamui has only been used by Kakashi before the arrival of Tobi. No other Uchiha used it NONE OF THEM!!!! So bringing up Kamui with the addition of Izuna\Kagami\Setsuna\etc is pointless. Kakashi gained Kamui after he gained Obito's eye[not at that exact moment of course] The only names I should see when talk of Kamui is brought up is Kakashi Hatake, Obito Uchiha & Tobi, NO OTHER NAMES!!!!

0moi:"We are slowly moving away from the possibilities of Tobi being Izuna\ Kagami\ Setsuna 1 chapter at a time & I'm loving every moment of it haha!!!!"

 

[Draw]

i dont agree with any obito theory at all, but if it were to be true the only explanation would be zetsu had saw the whole fight that happened w kakashi obito and the rock ninja