Final (We hope) Countdown. Tobi ID theories and discsussions

[Davemac90]

Re: Who is Tobi Debate. Who do you think he is? Intelligent theories only!!

Still not convinced it is Kagami. What is his motive?[/QUOTE

Ok 1. Kagami has been around since the first ninja war, he has seen a lot of fighting. Tobi say he wants peace and he talks about peace with Nagato and naruto. He says he will bring peace to this world, he's referring to the great moon technique. So he will attain peace even if it has to be obedience without question. But since he has been around since the first ninja war he has seen comrades, loved ones, and even his teacher die. And after seeing nagatos story we find out after people loved ones and comrades die they try to obtain their vision of peace at any cost.

2. Tobi looks about 40-60 yrs old, he looks about the same age of Danzo. Which Kagami was on Tobirama Senjus team with Danzo.

3. Facial expression, hair color, hair cut, three tomoe sharingan, and eyebrows all match Kagami and Tobi.

4. After the Uchiha massacre they're are very few Uchihas left. Kagami went missing right before the massacre, he is actually the only Uchiha that is stated in his background that is said to be missing. Not dead but missing. Every other Uchiha is said to be dead. And also Itatchi said he had help with the massacre because he could not have taken on the Uchiha police force by himself.

5. Tobirama Senju was Kagami's sensei. Tobirama= Tobi for short.

6. Other than Minato only Tobirama Senju knows how to do the space-time jutsu. And Kishimotto loves doing student surpassing their Senseis. Like naruto and Jiraiya, Sasuke and Kakashi. Tobirama showed Kagami how to do the space time jutsu because who else could have taugh Tobi it because it wasnt Minato. And the other members on Senjus team was a fat guy, Danzo, and a chick, and Kagami.

7. When Sasuke fought Danzo and Tobi was watching the fight, Robi seemed to know an awhile lot about Danzo when thymes fought. One would think they would have known each other on the past before he became Tobi. He even got pissed off when he found out Danzo could use Izanagi and killed many Uchihas for their eyes.

8. Itatchi had to of seen Tobi before to know what to make Sasukes eye look for in order for amaterasu happen, or how else would Itatchi know who Tobi was and how could he trigger Amaterasu.

9. Tobi is able to use the Rinnegan. In order to use the Rinnegan he has to of obtained Senju power because the Rinnegan is the sage of the sixth path power and since we know Tobi is an Uchiha he had to have gotten Senju power somehow and it woulda been pretty easy for Kagami to have gotten Senju dna because of Tobirama.

10. And finally Kagami is one of the few Uchiha who is mentioned who doesn't have a back story yet so it only make sense that he gets a backstory and it's Tobi. There not just gonna introduce him for one episode and not bring him up again.

What do you think about that? What do you thi k about those facts? Did I convince you a lil more now. Lol

 

[Davemac90]

Re: Who is Tobi Debate. Who do you think he is? Intelligent theories only!!

Finally someone who thinks he is KAGAMI UCHIHA. There is more evidence of him being tobi, like when kyuubi attacked the village, Kagami was absent, he was alive at the time but absent, why was that? ( he was busy taming kyuubi and planning to destroy konoha. Also we know that the elders of konoha were the only ones informed about the barriers and guards put up for when naruto was being born. Tobi managed to get past all that easily, if he IS kagami, he must have been informed and therefore must know how to easily get past the guards and the barriers.

This theory is a little more complex but can be possible. I think that when tobi tamed kyuubi and attacked konoha, he was kagami uchiha. As wel all know kagami would have been very old indeed, and dying from old age, he made his way to the hidden grass eventaully, where he found zetsu. They found obito crushed by a boulder, and kagami like orochimaru asked if he could use his body to, and that he would bring great change to the world, i think that obito agreed, and from there on out, kagami gained obitos memories and powers. Since here on out tobi has obitos eye, when kakashi uses kamui, tobi can easily extinguish it. Like the amaterasu how one eye casts the amterasu and the other can extinguish it, one eye can cast the kamui while the other extinguishes it. So both theories i reckon can fit.

It seems a lil far fetched honestly, how would he of asked Obito to use his bod, the timing woulda had to be perfect because Obito was pretty much dead when Kakashi left him, and how do we anybody even know Zetsu. Besides Tobi looks old as it is and tobiblooks about the age of kaganibwoukd be because it was about 40 years prior to the fourth great war when we see Kagami and he was about 20 years old when we see him.

 

[Thundercles]

Re: Who is Tobi Debate. Who do you think he is? Intelligent theories only!!

Still not convinced it is Kagami. What is his motive?[/QUOTE

Ok 1. Kagami has been around since the first ninja war, he has seen a lot of fighting. Tobi say he wants peace and he talks about peace with Nagato and naruto. He says he will bring peace to this world, he's referring to the great moon technique. So he will attain peace even if it has to be obedience without question. But since he has been around since the first ninja war he has seen comrades, loved ones, and even his teacher die. And after seeing nagatos story we find out after people loved ones and comrades die they try to obtain their vision of peace at any cost.

2. Tobi looks about 40-60 yrs old, he looks about the same age of Danzo. Which Kagami was on Tobirama Senjus team with Danzo.

3. Facial expression, hair color, hair cut, three tomoe sharingan, and eyebrows all match Kagami and Tobi.

4. After the Uchiha massacre they're are very few Uchihas left. Kagami went missing right before the massacre, he is actually the only Uchiha that is stated in his background that is said to be missing. Not dead but missing. Every other Uchiha is said to be dead. And also Itatchi said he had help with the massacre because he could not have taken on the Uchiha police force by himself.

5. Tobirama Senju was Kagami's sensei. Tobirama= Tobi for short.

6. Other than Minato only Tobirama Senju knows how to do the space-time jutsu. And Kishimotto loves doing student surpassing their Senseis. Like naruto and Jiraiya, Sasuke and Kakashi. Tobirama showed Kagami how to do the space time jutsu because who else could have taugh Tobi it because it wasnt Minato. And the other members on Senjus team was a fat guy, Danzo, and a chick, and Kagami.

7. When Sasuke fought Danzo and Tobi was watching the fight, Robi seemed to know an awhile lot about Danzo when thymes fought. One would think they would have known each other on the past before he became Tobi. He even got pissed off when he found out Danzo could use Izanagi and killed many Uchihas for their eyes.

8. Itatchi had to of seen Tobi before to know what to make Sasukes eye look for in order for amaterasu happen, or how else would Itatchi know who Tobi was and how could he trigger Amaterasu.

9. Tobi is able to use the Rinnegan. In order to use the Rinnegan he has to of obtained Senju power because the Rinnegan is the sage of the sixth path power and since we know Tobi is an Uchiha he had to have gotten Senju power somehow and it woulda been pretty easy for Kagami to have gotten Senju dna because of Tobirama.

10. And finally Kagami is one of the few Uchiha who is mentioned who doesn't have a back story yet so it only make sense that he gets a backstory and it's Tobi. There not just gonna introduce him for one episode and not bring him up again.

What do you think about that? What do you thi k about those facts? Did I convince you a lil more now. Lol

Except Kagami is dead.

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You maybe right though. Wiki isnt the most trusted source.

 

[The God of Wind]

Re: Who is Tobi Debate. Who do you think he is? Intelligent theories only!!

When Madara activated his Rinnegan, he went beyond life and death just like the 7th Pain Nagato. If the death God can take away a part of Orochimarus soul, then Madara can keep a part of his own soul alive, he did have Rinnegan!

The other reason I believe so is because Itachi is never wrong, he believed the masked man to be Madara and thats exactly who he is.

 

[Frikid]

Re: Who is Tobi Debate. Who do you think he is? Intelligent theories only!!

well your first para about theory is wrong.

you cannot check off izuna/madara.

izuna gave away his eyes to madara, so technically, izuna don't have any eyes.
and then he was also shown dead but he might have faked his death,

just because tobi have not shown his MS doesn't mean he don't have it.

maybe kishi don't wanted him to show it, if he showed it, his identity might get revealed.

 

[kent0005]

It would be boring if kishi introduce new character as tobi, but could be a possibility. Then it would be no pointing in guessing and just wait till he is revealed.

 

[Davemac90]

Re: Who is Tobi Debate. Who do you think he is? Intelligent theories only!!

well your first para about theory is wrong.

you cannot check off izuna/madara.

izuna gave away his eyes to madara, so technically, izuna don't have any eyes.
and then he was also shown dead but he might have faked his death,

just because tobi have not shown his MS doesn't mean he don't have it.

maybe kishi don't wanted him to show it, if he showed it, his identity might get revealed.

W I'm
Not wrong about Izuna, just because he have his eyes away does not mean he can't get eyes transplanted by other uchihas. Not that hard since uchihas are skilled in using different eyes. And comon If Tobi had aMS we deffianetly woulda seen it by now especially after his fight with Minato, and during hi current fight with two jinchurickis. We def woulda seen it if he had it right now. Kishi isn't going not hold anything back this far into the series and just now unleash it when it's almost over. So it really can't w Izuna and theres no way Tobi has the MS. Let me ask you one question, so of Tobi had the MS, don't you think he would have used it to tame Kurama? He would have because the MS is used for the taming of the Kyubbi. It is unknown how Tobi takes the 9-tails with only the 3 stage tomoe.

 

[natssuu]

If it is written down on the Uchiha monument, how does he know about the battle of the elder and the younger son? This happened AFTER the SO6P died, so he couldn't have written it down, and he wouldn't even let them fight. And don't tell me that the story passed down. How come that Tobi is the only one who knows about it? He told us about it as if he witnessed it.

And for everyone saying it's Izuna: Izuna is the most boring character outta there. I will stop reading Naruto if it's him.

Bolded: Where it states that it happened after Sage's death?

 

[The God of Wind]

Re: Who is Tobi Debate. Who do you think he is? Intelligent theories only!!

One question..........how would Tobi summon the Kyuubi and control it without MS, since you need it to control the Kyuubi?
Here's who Tobi is

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[Uchihahahaha]

From what has been shown so far, Madara looks like Tobi. And just because there is Edo Madara does not mean that Tobi can't be Madara because even Tobi said that he wanted to become complete, and just because something doesn't make sense doesn't mean it wouldn't be true. (it's Naruto; who thought that Pain was being controlled by Nagato, or that Sasori was human puppet, or that Orochimaru was still alive? Unlikely things can happen because it's Naruto.) It's still possible that Tobi is an incomplete Madara and there is evidence for it. (not saying it can't be someone else either)

 

[crocop]

Re: Who is Tobi Debate. Who do you think he is? Intelligent theories only!!

Fellahs its soooooo ridicolous simple who Tobi really is
We will all now it instantly when kishi threws out a flashback/ tells the story of Gay!
Tobi said: "u can´t remember faces, so wheres the point to tell u"
Just wait and we will all be very amazed

 

[FizzyDrink]

Re: Who is Tobi Debate. Who do you think he is? Intelligent theories only!!

Tobi is not Kagami. Why? He was a character who was shown in 1 chapter, and never even spoke a word. The ONLY reason people even make Tobi theories about this guy is because they know his name and he is an Uchiha. And then they come up with WONDERFUL fanfictions about how he got to be evil, his connection to Madara, and all of this crazy stuff. But the fact of the matter is that he is a character who has NEVER said a word, was NEVER spoken about by ANY ninja ever (no hype AT ALL), has NOT been developed or affected the plot AT ALL, and the only panels he's been in he has been sitting down. Honestly, Kagami being Tobi theories have started to get more annoying to me than Obito being Tobi theories, and that is REALLY hard to beat.

 

[Drakengard]

I think Kishi recently told us in the Weekly Shonen Jump that Tobi and Madara do in fact know each other (I'm pretty sure but not 100%). Now I know theories can still bend to take this fact in, but if it's true then it might be worth thinking about in the predictions (it also said that tobi's identity is going to be revealed in the next few weeks).

 

[Edge]

Re: Who is Tobi Debate. Who do you think he is? Intelligent theories only!!

Still not convinced it is Kagami. What is his motive?[/QUOTE

Ok 1. Kagami has been around since the first ninja war, he has seen a lot of fighting. Tobi say he wants peace and he talks about peace with Nagato and naruto. He says he will bring peace to this world, he's referring to the great moon technique. So he will attain peace even if it has to be obedience without question. But since he has been around since the first ninja war he has seen comrades, loved ones, and even his teacher die. And after seeing nagatos story we find out after people loved ones and comrades die they try to obtain their vision of peace at any cost.

2. Tobi looks about 40-60 yrs old, he looks about the same age of Danzo. Which Kagami was on Tobirama Senjus team with Danzo.

3. Facial expression, hair color, hair cut, three tomoe sharingan, and eyebrows all match Kagami and Tobi.

4. After the Uchiha massacre they're are very few Uchihas left. Kagami went missing right before the massacre, he is actually the only Uchiha that is stated in his background that is said to be missing. Not dead but missing. Every other Uchiha is said to be dead. And also Itatchi said he had help with the massacre because he could not have taken on the Uchiha police force by himself.

5. Tobirama Senju was Kagami's sensei. Tobirama= Tobi for short.

6. Other than Minato only Tobirama Senju knows how to do the space-time jutsu. And Kishimotto loves doing student surpassing their Senseis. Like naruto and Jiraiya, Sasuke and Kakashi. Tobirama showed Kagami how to do the space time jutsu because who else could have taugh Tobi it because it wasnt Minato. And the other members on Senjus team was a fat guy, Danzo, and a chick, and Kagami.

7. When Sasuke fought Danzo and Tobi was watching the fight, Robi seemed to know an awhile lot about Danzo when thymes fought. One would think they would have known each other on the past before he became Tobi. He even got pissed off when he found out Danzo could use Izanagi and killed many Uchihas for their eyes.

8. Itatchi had to of seen Tobi before to know what to make Sasukes eye look for in order for amaterasu happen, or how else would Itatchi know who Tobi was and how could he trigger Amaterasu.

9. Tobi is able to use the Rinnegan. In order to use the Rinnegan he has to of obtained Senju power because the Rinnegan is the sage of the sixth path power and since we know Tobi is an Uchiha he had to have gotten Senju power somehow and it woulda been pretty easy for Kagami to have gotten Senju dna because of Tobirama.

10. And finally Kagami is one of the few Uchiha who is mentioned who doesn't have a back story yet so it only make sense that he gets a backstory and it's Tobi. There not just gonna introduce him for one episode and not bring him up again.

What do you think about that? What do you thi k about those facts? Did I convince you a lil more now. Lol

1. Mostly an assumption, since you know nothing about his experiences and also his personality.

2. Tobi looks that age? So you've seen his real face?

3. Facial expression? Really??? Also, he's an Uchiha...ALL OF THEIR HAIR AND EYES MATCH.

4. Prove that Kagami went missing before the massacre sourcing the manga.

5. Japanese =/= English

6. Tobirama was Kagaim's leader DURING THE FIRST SHINOBI WAR (not during Genin training) . Seeing as how squads are conventionally made up of three students and a teacher, Tobirama's students were probably Hiruzen and the other two elders.

7. This doesn't prove he's Kagami. Any Uchiha that knew Danzo and had a vendetta against him would probably feel that way.

8. Again, this isn't proof for Kagami.

9. See 8.

10. While they may bring him up again, from what you've posted there isn't any proof that Kagami is Tobi other than they look the same.

 

[SilverSlick]

Tobi is a random.

 

[apple pie of doom]

I've always thought the world was filled with retards and morons, and the amount of people voting for Obito only proved that thought.
I'm not thinking about his identity, but one thing is for sure, it sure as hell is not Obito.
I'm willing to go Breivik if it somehow is Obito, so, I doubt I'll have to murder anyone.

 

[Sasuke2]

No worries, half the Obito/Tobito fans are troll, only a half is retarded.
They even ignore it's not possible due to the timeline and that it makes zero sense, lol

 

[Bboyinsayn]

Obito obito obito obito !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[alexu9696]

News... Tobi=Izuna Uchiha is almoust confirmed !

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[alexu9696]

This is where Kishi was inspired for Tobi mystery !
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So erm yeah, I'm re-reading Rurouni Kenshin and this panel jumped at me:

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Isn't it too much of a coincidence? I mean..

Secret tech: Tobi Izuna...?

Perhaps, a hint at who tobi is? maybe Kishi took inspiration from here?

Note that I'm not stating anything for a fact, just thought it was a good find and decided to share. Have fun kids.

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Tobi's teleporting jutsu comes to mind.

But seriously, the Tobi Izuna technique's main attribute is the vacuum created...'vacuum' kinda reminds me of the S/T jutsu tobi uses

Also, the translation of that technique is 'flying rice rope'

飯綱: read as "Izuna"
飯縄：read as "Iinawa"

飯綱 = 飯縄 = a type of fox spirit. Scientifically, Izuna is part of the weasel family according to Japanese Wikipedia.

The "rice rope" thing sounds like a literal translation that doesn't seem to accurately describe 飛飯綱. I believe it goes by another name, "Kamaitachi" right? That refers to the Japanese weasel demon that brings a whirlwind of destruction with scythes, refer to Temari.

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