Do you believe in God?

[ShishaMastah420]

What you stated doesn't have anything to do with God, yes you are probably thinking if there was a God he would prevent this from happening but that would go against the natural flow of everything.

God can't just stop mass destruction and chaos with a click of his fingers. In Islam God's way is peace, but this isn't a religion thread so I won't expand.

Like I said if God automatically stopped all pain and suffering the natural flow of how things are meant to be would be disrupted. Now I'm not saying that all this violence is supposed to be the natural flow. The natural flow is supposed to be us humans combating the suffering our own way. It is testing our faith and resolve. God wants US to protect the beautiful world he made.

I'm not saying God is supposed to stop anything... I'm simply stated that if these people are truly believers in God, Why are they acting in such Un-Godly manners?

What did you even understand from my post...

 

[AP2k]

What you stated doesn't have anything to do with God, yes you are probably thinking if there was a God he would prevent this from happening but that would go against the natural flow of everything.

God can't just stop mass destruction and chaos with a click of his fingers. In Islam God's way is peace, but this isn't a religion thread so I won't expand.

Like I said if God automatically stopped all pain and suffering the natural flow of how things are meant to be would be disrupted. Now I'm not saying that all this violence is supposed to be the natural flow. The natural flow is supposed to be us humans combating the suffering our own way. It is testing our faith and resolve. God wants US to protect the beautiful world he made.

There are plenty of causes of suffering that arent because of humans, natural disasters, famines, drowning babies, diseases. Humans don't cause these things, so IF god exists, HE must be the one doing those things.

 

[JustAnotherGuy]

I'm not saying God is supposed to stop anything... I'm simply stated that if these people are truly believers in God, Why are they acting in such Un-Godly manners?

What did you even understand from my post...

You talked about the mass destruction caused by world leaders, the factories in america etc

I know you're saying that if people believed in god they wouldn't be doing such things.

Not all people are believers of god, but most of the rough 7 billion are. But you can't say the people carrying out the actions you mentioned are ALL believers of god. And i know some of them are like gaddafi, bin laden and I can honestly say I have no idea at all why they acted in an Un-Godly manner.

But what I CAN honestly say is that they don't represent everyone else who believes in god. I'm pretty sure most believers of all religions don't condone their actions.

 

[Pavoneo]

Well, Tsuchi is here so this thread will probably be closed in a minute >.>..

I'll give my opinion anyway, I'm an atheist. As some of you know. Most of what I would have to say has been said by others in this thread, mostly how there's not much scientific evidence to back up things like the bible. I understand that it's hard for people to fathom that all of this stuff, the world around us, all came from nothing.. That's fine, I respect that. We don't have all the answers to everything just yet, but at least we have some answers. :|

 

[Tento]

I believe in God, being raised a Christian. I've recently had trouble with this, seeing as how I'm cursed to think rationally and have to look for an answer instead of just doing something. I see the rationality on both sides of the argument. I also see the problems. Mainly, with God, he can't truly be all powerful, because of the omnipotence paradox, which states that any omnipotent being, a being who can do anything, should be able to create a task that they cannot complete, which mean's they can't be considered omnipotent, however, if they cannot create a task they cannot complete, they were never omnipotent, also, I've been plagued since I was small to wonder, where did he come from. The main problem I see with the Darwinian theory is the entropy law. The universe, left to itself, will become less stable and less organized. Believing in God is the best way out. If he does exist, and you've been saved, heaven. If he doesn't exist, there is no life after death no matter what you believed.

 

[JustAnotherGuy]

There are plenty of causes of suffering that arent because of humans, natural disasters, famines, drowning babies, diseases. Humans don't cause these things, so IF god exists, HE must be the one doing those things.

When god made this world everything was perfect. When man sinned, that perfection was spoiled and our environment was tainted.

Famine is no doubt because of humans. Most countries suffering from famine have suffered internal chaos from civil wars. Ethiopia, Somalia, Angola come to mind. Conflict makes people more prone to famine because it disrupts their traditional ways of coping with food scarcity, which might range from gathering wild plants to migrating in search of work. Market centres and transport links are destroyed. There is environmental damage. Tell me how that is natural?

Drowning babies? Elaborate on that if you don't mind.

 

[narutokage99]

Imagine that we can meet all the sand in the world in one place.
This represents billions of billions of grains of sand.

Imagine if I take one at random and I paint in red (the grain of sand).

Well aware that you're more likely to find the first time that grain of sand from the red grain billion chance that the big bang is the random outcome. (Scientific source).

I don't believe in random.

 

[AP2k]

When god made this world everything was perfect. When man sinned, that perfection was spoiled and our environment was tainted.

Famine is no doubt because of humans. Most countries suffering from famine have suffered internal chaos from civil wars. Ethiopia, Somalia, Angola come to mind. Conflict makes people more prone to famine because it disrupts their traditional ways of coping with food scarcity, which might range from gathering wild plants to migrating in search of work. Market centres and transport links are destroyed. There is environmental damage. Tell me how that is natural?

Drowning babies? Elaborate on that if you don't mind.

If god is omnibenevolent, why can a baby drown? Its done nothing to deserve that.

Civil war has NOTHING to do with famine. Just because there is famine in places with civil war, does not imply causation, correlation does NOT imply causation. Otherwise the "pirates stop global warming" theory would be true.

There was none of this before man sinned? Ever hear of snowball earth? That was a natural disaster long before man was here. There were natural disaster Long before "man sinned"

 

[ShishaMastah420]

You talked about the mass destruction caused by world leaders, the factories in america etc

I know you're saying that if people believed in god they wouldn't be doing such things.

Not all people are believers of god, but most of the rough 7 billion are. But you can't say the people carrying out the actions you mentioned are ALL believers of god. And i know some of them are like gaddafi, bin laden and I can honestly say I have no idea at all why they acted in an Un-Godly manner.

But what I CAN honestly say is that they don't represent everyone else who believes in god. I'm pretty sure most believers of all religions don't condone their actions.

When I say we act as if he does not exist; I meant it on a more grander scale...

You specifically might not be as rash as these people but you still, are amongst these people.

IMO, a person who truly believes in God, should act in a Godly manner...Integrity is the key.

For instance, You don't act how you would act in front of your friends compared to your parents...

Using the above logic and the religious idea that God, sees all and is all; Then I CAN say that Humans act as if God doesn't exist.

 

[Ebottif]

Atheist. Why are there so many religion topics on the base?

 

[Pavoneo]

Atheist. Why are there so many religion topics on the base?

Religion is an interesting topic in my opinion, reveals a lot about a persons way of thinking ._.

 

[AP2k]

Imagine that we can meet all the sand in the world in one place.
This represents billions of billions of grains of sand.

Imagine if I take one at random and I paint in red (the grain of sand).

Well aware that you're more likely to find the first time that grain of sand from the red grain billion chance that the big bang is the random outcome. (Scientific source).

I don't believe in random.

Flip a coin. Now tell me how the outcome wasnt random?

One could find said grain of sand if they were given an infinite amount of time, but please tell me more about how you know all about the probability of the big bang.

 

[ShishaMastah420]

Atheist. Why are there so many religion topics on the base?

Not our fault :/

 

[Punk Hazard]

@Rikerslade, you just keep failing on understanding my points and what I say, but what am I gonna do, just think of what I said however you want, not gonna bother explaining.

no, youre just wrong. if this is just anime, why is there a General Discussion

 

[Awkward Linguist]

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Why?

Because i'm Muslim.

 

[JustAnotherGuy]

If god is omnibenevolent, why can a baby drown? Its done nothing to deserve that.

Civil war has NOTHING to do with famine. Just because there is famine in places with civil war, does not imply causation, correlation does NOT imply causation. Otherwise the "pirates stop global warming" theory would be true.

There was none of this before man sinned? Ever hear of snowball earth? That was a natural disaster long before man was here. There were natural disaster Long before "man sinned"

Natural disasters aren't because of humans. I'm not arguing against that. But I disagree with your point about famine. If land is damaged in a place where civil war is ongoing how will crops grow? If transport links are disrupted how will food get in and out of the country? YOU tell me how famine came about, conveniently in places where there is civil war.

Show me an example where a baby has drowned naturally.

 

[AP2k]

Natural disasters aren't because of humans. I'm not arguing against that. But I disagree with your point about famine. If land is damaged in a place where civil war is ongoing how will crops grow? If transport links are disrupted how will food get in and out of the country? YOU tell me how famine came about, conveniently in places where there is civil war.

Show me an example where a baby has drowned naturally.

So we can just assume every where there is famine there is civil war? That is factually incorrect. Famine is not CAUSED by civil war, while there may be famine in places of civil war, the war is not necessarily the cause. Thats like saying, because pirates have decreased in number, and global warming has increased, that means pirates stop global warming, further proved by the fact that somalia has the most pirates and least carbon emmisions. Correlation does NOT imply causation, and that is a fundamental mistake you are making.

 

[Jack Spicer]

Yes and no. I have issues with God, so clearly I have to believe since I question his "law" aka the bible. I disagree with it. So, put me down as maybe. It's complicated.

 

[JustAnotherGuy]

So we can just assume every where there is famine there is civil war? That is factually incorrect. Famine is not CAUSED by civil war, while there may be famine in places of civil war, the war is not necessarily the cause. Thats like saying, because pirates have decreased in number, and global warming has increased, that means pirates stop global warming, further proved by the fact that somalia has the most pirates and least carbon emmisions. Correlation does NOT imply causation, and that is a fundamental mistake you are making.

I stated what civil war does to countries. Are you denying civil war damages farms and transport links? They are major sources of food which are being halted. No, we can't assume where there is famine there is civil war, but the other way round. There is bound to be famine where there is civil war.

 

[AP2k]

I stated what civil war does to countries. Are you denying civil war damages farms and transport links? They are major sources of food which are being halted. No, we can't assume where there is famine there is civil war, but the other way round. There is bound to be famine where there is civil war.

Nope, also incorrect. American civil war, no famine.
French civil war, caused BY famine
Cuban civil war, no famine
Irish civil war, no famine
English civil war (glorious revolution), no famine