Itachi has been portrayed as....

[TouchMyMangos]

Who told you that he wasn't at his full strength? This confrontation was before the First and Second were sealed, so Orochimaru had most likely all his powers available. Itachi simply didn't give him the chance to act more but finished him immediately, like he is finishing all his other opponents in a few seconds with the Genjutsu of his Sharingan.

I'm btw always calmed my dear, but sometimes I want to smash my head against a wall when I am reading the shit you are talking about . Though I'm an Itachi fan I am looking at things objectively and acknowledge if someone is really stronger. But it will always be a waste of time to talk with you.

But you are making it out like Itachi >>>>>> Orochimaru. Wrong. Orochimaru can't be finished so easily. Itachi even sealed him with Totsuka and he still couldn't finish him. So clearly the idea that Itachi is levels above Orochimaru is wrong.

That's nice to know :S

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

he got owned by naruto actually, and wow hanzo? Itachi> Hanzo anywayz so that doesn't really count. And then jiraya, I doubt jiraya would be able to take out sage mode kabuto. :flaw:

Does Itachi have a counter for Hanzo's poison mist?

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Naruto clearly got owned by Nagato. That's why Hinata had to step in and help him.

And Jiraiya could reach Sage mode against Itachi, as he did it against Nagato:flaw:

 

[TouchMyMangos]

All your posts and threads strongly suggest that, dont worry i've reading most of them so no need to give me excuses, EVERYONE knows Itachi is stronger than Jiraiya, as i said only Itachi dislikers or Naruto/Jiraiya fans would disagree, you got predictable bringing that old card of part 1 comparison, its been discussed everywhere and the general consensus its that Itachi and Minato are around the same level, because of how Kishi writes and they both are his golden boys, Jiraiya is below both of them. Anyways i dont know why i try to argue to a person that creates around 5 thread per day trying to do the same tging, i mean if you seriously beleive that( wish i really believe you dont, you just dont like the character and the fanbase), stick with your opinion but as you are in denial to change atleast one bit most of the other members wont also. So lets just agree to disagree. But in both versus threads you created the team with Itachi murdered in both polls so its easy to see what you want.

????

I've presented my evidence but you try to attack me? For your information, there are many people who think Jiraiya could take Itachi. Why are you trying to talk down on me, as if i'm stupid? So people who think Itachi>Jiraiya are sane, but those who think otherwise are haters or fanboys? Is it impossible to be an Itachi fanboy or what? He's been called godly in this thread, what do you make of that? I've spoke about Jiraiya and Pain and what that means, yet you don't answer. Why is that?

 

[Strict]

But you are making it out like Itachi >>>>>> Orochimaru. Wrong. Orochimaru can't be finished so easily. Itachi even sealed him with Totsuka and he still couldn't finish him. So clearly the idea that Itachi is levels above Orochimaru is wrong.

That's nice to know :S

He didn't seal him away but beat him at this point again. He tried it twice to face Itachi but failed. What does Orochimarus arsenal is good for if he doesn't even have the chance to use them? Deidara could unpack his whole arsenal against Itachi but failed already in the beginning, just like Orochimaru failed twice. If Jiraiya will start the fight by looking into Itachis eyes, he will automatically fail before the fight even started.

And how Jiraiya can face a Shinobi who is using powerful Genjutsus, Amaterasu and Susanoo without even looking into his eyes because of Tsukuyomi? Kabuto needed to close his eyes in order to avoid only the Genjutsus of the Uchiha brothers. Without the Senninmode which needs minutes of preparations he had even a tough fight against Chikushodo.

So in fact Itachi will beat Jiraiya without much trouble, everything else is nonsense.

Of course I agree that Nagato, Madara and Hashirama are superior to Itachi, but neither of the Sannin pose a threat to Itachi.

 

[EnvyMyApex]

Agreed, Itachi fanboys (the extreme ones) need to take his **** out of their mouths already. I'm not gonna name any names, they know who they are...

 

[TouchMyMangos]

He didn't seal him away but beat him at this point again. He tried it twice to face Itachi but failed. What does Orochimarus arsenal is good for if he doesn't even have the chance to use them? Deidara could unpack his whole arsenal against Itachi but failed already in the beginning, just like Orochimaru failed twice. If Jiraiya will start the fight by looking into Itachis eyes, he will automatically fail before the fight even started.

And how Jiraiya can face a Shinobi who is using powerful Genjutsus, Amaterasu and Susanoo without even looking into his eyes because of Tsukuyomi? Kabuto needed to close his eyes in order to avoid only the Genjutsus of the Uchiha brothers. Without the Senninmode which needs minutes of preparations he had even a tough fight against Chikushodo.

So in fact Itachi will beat Jiraiya without much trouble, everything else is nonsense.

Of course I agree that Nagato, Madara and Hashirama are superior to Itachi, but neither of the Sannin pose a threat to Itachi.

This isn't a versus thread, feats are pointless. This is thread is about how they've been portrayed, so we're talking about how the manga has portrayed them. I would like you to answer what I said about Pain and Jiraiya and how Kishi made Jiraiya fight Pain (strongest in Akatsuki) without knowledge. Jiraiya did well. Kishi even chose to hype him up by saying he could've defeated Pain. So, why has Kishi never put Itachi against a super powerful opponent (in a 1 vs 1)? That is what i'm asking. Explain the Kisame, Itachi, Jiraiya meeting also.

 

[-Logic-]

that's some deep shit man

Ah, I was taught by the best.

 

[Ndias17]

....A guy who was around Sage Mode Jiraiya's level. The most powerful guy he beat in a 1 vs 1 was a weakened Orochimaru. Stop comparing him to Nagato, Madara, Hashirama or even Sasuke. Seriously.

As i recall it was itachi who defeated the edo tensei nagato, who by the way was owning bee and naruto, and also it was itachi who ended the edo tensei and gave the allied shinobi force a huge advantage, not naruto.

did you forget that itachi cut off orochimarus hand when they first met, not to mention that when he sealed him away itachi was hit by karin, basically blind and oh was coughing up blood and dieing.Also lets not forget that itachi killed his entire clan, which was one of the most efficient and dealiest clans in the village.

Not to mention that itachi is one of,if not,the most brilliant shinobi combine taht with his prowess at the mangekyo sharingan and you have a beast ninja. Just to recap it was itachis goal to purposely lose to sauke so that the Uchiha name would be revenged and saved, he did pretty good considering he was dieing and couldnt see.

i think itachi is underrated, and you sir are a idiot

 

[TouchMyMangos]

As i recall it was itachi who defeated the edo tensei nagato, who by the way was owning bee and naruto, and also it was itachi who ended the edo tensei and gave the allied shinobi force a huge advantage, not naruto.

did you forget that itachi cut off orochimarus hand when they first met, not to mention that when he sealed him away itachi was hit by karin, basically blind and oh was coughing up blood and dieing.Also lets not forget that itachi killed his entire clan, which was one of the most efficient and dealiest clans in the village.

Not to mention that itachi is one of,if not,the most brilliant shinobi combine taht with his prowess at the mangekyo sharingan and you have a beast ninja. Just to recap it was itachis goal to purposely lose to sauke so that the Uchiha name would be revenged and saved, he did pretty good considering he was dieing and couldnt see.

i think itachi is underrated, and you sir are a idiot

It was a 3 vs 1 :|

It was Shisuis power that allowed him to break free :|

Itachi was never able to get rid of Orochimaru fully :|

Itachi killed his clan with Tobi while they were sleeping :|

He is good, don't get me wrong, but overhyped by fans.

 

[nisseop]

nah

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

As i recall it was itachi who defeated the edo tensei nagato, who by the way was owning bee and naruto,

edo tensei nagato =/= nagato

In fact it was Kabuto who was controlling Nagato at the time so your saying that Itachi > Nagato is false.

Especially since it took the three of them to cancel Chibaku Tensei

 

[EnvyMyApex]

Seems like you're jealous I've been here 2 months and have achieved a lot more than you I don't wanna go TOO philosophic on you so I'll leave you be for now, but when you're trying to fall asleep, and when you're sitting in school trying to solve a Mathematics problem, you'll remember what I said, and it will haunt you. Eat you away. You will feel like a piece of shit, which you are. Why do you exist? For my entertainment. You've made me laugh a few times already, you can go ahead and erase yourself from this world now...

You're a prick dude, there's a reason I deleted you. You try to look down on people and sound smart. Guess what? You aren't. You're an ignorant kid who gains satisfaction from achievements on a website (which doesn't mean shit in real life). You're not better than anyone just because you have a mediocre vocabulary, or because you can post "witty" comebacks. Take your head out of your ass and stop thinking you're some genius. Because in reality, you're just an ignorant child.

P.S. You shouldn't be proud of the fact that you have 4000+ post in a couple of months.

 

[Negative Knight]

Ah, I was taught by the best.

taught by whom?

 

[Strict]

This isn't a versus thread, feats are pointless. This is thread is about how they've been portrayed, so we're talking about how the manga has portrayed them. I would like you to answer what I said about Pain and Jiraiya and how Kishi made Jiraiya fight Pain (strongest in Akatsuki) without knowledge. Jiraiya did well. Kishi even chose to hype him up by saying he could've defeated Pain. So, why has Kishi never put Itachi against a super powerful opponent (in a 1 vs 1)? That is what i'm asking. Explain the Kisame, Itachi, Jiraiya meeting also.

Because of Itachis ideals. He wasn't a bad guy and didn't have the intention to hurt anyone, except if there was a need for. Itachi faced several powerful opponents and defeated them with a blink. One eye contact left Kakahi mental destroyed in a hospital for weeks, one Genjutsu beat a Sannin, one Genjutsu beat an Akatsuki like Deidara. Itachi is just a master of Genjutsus, he attacks the opponents weakest spot, their psyche. No matter whether it is a Sannin or not, Itachis Genjutsus are a huge problem for anyone expect of other Sharingan users. Now add the power of his Mangekyou Sharingan, his intelligence, his speed and other skills like Taijutsu and usage of weapons on top, and you will see that Itachi is one of the strongest and make the Top 10 indeed.

Look under which conditions Jiraiya fought Pain. He had already his problems and ran away from him. Not until Jiraiya reached his Senninmode, Chikushodo summoned three other Pains in order to fight him.

Do you think that Itachi would give Jiraiya even the chance to reach the Senninmode with his powers? Obviously not. If he wants to evade Itachis Genjutsus, he has to fight with closen eyes like Kabuto did, if not he will end in the hospital like Kakashi did. And if he does, how will he face even one technique of Itachi, never mind Amaterasu and Susanoo?

If we both think about it objectively, we will realize who is the stronger one by feats .

Explain the Kisame, Itachi, Jiraiya meeting also.

And about the meeting with Jiraiya, Tobi already confirmed that Itachi never wanted to fight someone but came to Konoha with the intention to look after Sasuke. He never wanted to fight anyone with the exception he was forced to do this. So why fighting Jiraiya if he could avoid this? If he one shot Kakashi and Sasuke with an eye contact, you think he couldn't do it with Jiraiya?

 

[Drakengard]

Itachi is my favorite or second favorite character but I agree people are trying to push him further on the tier lists than what he is. Hey, being on par with SM Jiraiya isn't bad either. The guy's strong. Took down the animal path with 1 arm against the 6 paths at once after all.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

Because of Itachis ideals. He wasn't a bad guy and didn't have the intention to hurt anyone, except if there was a need for. Itachi faced several powerful opponents and defeated them with a blink. One eye contact left Kakahi mental destroyed in a hospital for weeks, one Genjutsu beat a Sannin, one Genjutsu beat an Akatsuki like Deidara. Itachi is just a master of Genjutsus, he attacks the opponents weakest spot, their psyche. No matter whether it is a Sannin or not, Itachis Genjutsus are a huge problem for anyone expect of other Sharingan users. Now add the power of his Mangekyou Sharingan, his intelligence, his speed and other skills like Taijutsu and usage of weapons on top, and you will see that Itachi is one of the strongest and make the Top 10 indeed.

Look under which conditions Jiraiya fought Pain. He had already his problems and ran away from him. Not until Jiraiya reached his Senninmode, Chikushodo summoned three other Pains in order to fight him.

Do you think that Itachi would give Jiraiya even the chance to reach the Senninmode with his powers? Obviously not. If he want to evade Itachis Genjutsus, he have to fight with closen eyes like Kabuto did, if not he will end in the hospital like Kakashi did. And if he does, how will he face even one technique of Itachi, never mind Amaterasu and Susanoo?

If we both think about it objectively, we will realize who is the stronger one by feats .

And about the meeting with Jiraiya, Tobi already confirmed that Itachi never wanted to fight someone but came to Konoha with the intention to look after Sasuke. He never wanted to fight anyone with the except he was forced to do this. So why fighting Jiraiya if he could avoid this? If he one shot Kakashi and Sasuke with an eye contact, you think he couldn't do it with Jiraiya?

What you said is true. But i'm not talking about feats. I'm talking about how Kishi has portrayed them, so you still haven't really answered by previous two questions.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

And about the meeting with Jiraiya, Tobi already confirmed that Itachi never wanted to fight someone but came to Konoha with the intention to look after Sasuke. He never wanted to fight anyone with the except he was forced to do this. So why fighting Jiraiya if he could avoid this? If he one shot Kakashi and Sasuke with an eye contact, you think he couldn't do it with Jiraiya?

Ok this is a better answer. But what about Jiraiya/Pain. Kishi chose to make Jiraiya lose to the strongest person up to that point.

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

Do you think that Itachi would give Jiraiya even the chance to reach the Senninmode with his powers? Obviously not.

The question is not whether Itachi will let Jiraiya enter sage mode, but whether Jiraiya has any way to stall Itachi while he enters Sage Mode.

And Jiraiya has several ways of doing so

 

[Klubargutan]

i dont think is is that overhyped, but one guy saying that totsuka would pierce perfect susanoo and that madara's perfect susanoo slash wouldn't destroy itachi's yatta mirror got me, so yes, itachi is a little oh

 

[-Logic-]

taught by whom?

This legend...

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