Being the second in command of the strongest clan (tied with uchiha) he mustve been very special. In fact i believe his relationship with hashirama is very similar to madara and izuna. Where the big brothers were slightly stronger and its due to this that made them leaders of their respective clan, believe just like how madara and hashirama had a rivarly, izuna and tobirama mightve also had a rivalry between them. Second in command of the strongest clan feared as the clan with a thousand arms/techniques "made up of shinobi's with expertise in nin,tai and gen";
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By hype he belongs in an exclusive group of ninja's who specialise in all 3 forms of ninja art. Its no surprise that his student, Sarutobi who was trained both by him and hashirama has a 5/5 for all 3 forms of ninja art, but also his brother hashirama was a genjutsu user aswell.
His s/t was noted to be very good by minato and i wouldnt be surprised if his technique is a variation of minato's ftg. They share similar limitations in the fact that both depend on something to teleport but also both can track an opponent by placing their hands on the ground.
Being a descendant of the younger son, his stamina must've rivalled others in the DB with 5/5. Abel to produce vast quantities of water in a place with no water.
He is also a well known edo tensei user going by the kin/gin bro's reaction by also mu's;
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So you have a ninja who belongs in an exclusive list of shinobi's, with the likes of madara, sarutobi, itachi, hashirama who specialise in all 3 forms of ninja art. An s/t user
Chakra levels must be very high
S/T user
Very skilled suiton user
An edo tensei user. The same technique that has made kabuto rank 1 on most people's list.
space time user yes (but which timespace and how advanced what it?) --- but technically could be combatted by every other kage - not a master of edo - unlike oro and kabuto - we never even SAW tobi use Edo, he created it - didnt master it...
Also can u please reference the manga page where Tobi uses ONE sign to use a tech that requires 18 for others -- and please make sure its the EXACT same tech.
'Tobirama was primarily known for his mastery of Water Release. He could perform powerful water-style techniques in areas that lacked bodies of water by creating his own water out of thin air or producing it from his mouth, and perform some of the most complex water-style techniques, such as the Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique, with a single hand seal. This amongst other reasons is why he is revered as the greatest known Water Release manipulator in the series.[9]'
yeah probs, im pretty convinced that i under-rated him - if not even just a little bit - but some idiots will come in and not read OP/not read comments and give the thread new life lol!
yeah probs, im pretty convinced that i under-rated him - if not even just a little bit - but some idiots will come in and not read OP/not read comments and give the thread new life lol!
And thats why Minato>Tobi in power, i didnt mention legacy, its about strength...i agree tobi left those things behind- but that doesn't mean he's powerful
Well Tsunade isn't really that powerful either. I mean tobirama can probably own them ^.^ ST jutsu, Most advanced water techs in the show. and probably some other techs that we don't know.
in power Hashirama, Sarutobi, Minato/Tobirama, Tsunade.
In leagacy : Hashirama, Tobirama, Minato, Sarutobi, Tsunade (She stil has to die to leave a legacy ;p)
He is the weakest hokage but look at his peers and how op they all are. I I think it's a close tie between him and tsunade the only thing gthat might put her over the top is her helping technique.
Sorry if this is sorta poorly strung together - im a little drunk while making this thread...
Note: THIS is NOT a Hashi Vs. Hiruzen Thread - PLEASE take hate/flame ELSEWHERE
I will go in order of Hokage to signifiy each Kage's power and significance in order to prove that Tobirama is the weakest Hokage ever!
Hashirama:
Praised by madara s being legendary - Tobirama is detailed to be damaging to the landscape of the world - he has total control over different tailed beasts through his wood release technique - and further sealing techniques.
He is also known to have healing abilities as Madara mentions that Tsunade's Yin release technique is very similair to that of Hashirama's healing abilities...
The wood release is a unique abilitiy that makes Hashirama> Tobirama...
Hiruzen:
Praised as the god of shinobi - Hiruzen's knowledge of ninjutsu and abilities are surpassed by few (not a hashi vs hiruzen thread!!) - he was able to take on Oro + 1st + 2nd all at the same time - and if they had not of been Edo - he would have taken them out through...even something as small as a paper bomb.
How an old man - not in his prime - managed to take out two former Hokage's + oro is totally beyond my understanding but somehow he managed it - albiet by the exchange for his life through RDS (and his trump card)...
IF hiruzen had been at prime - he would have had a much easier time - being able to combat edo with his shadow clones - the observing anbu, hiruzens summon, and even hiruzen admit to this.
This is true demonstration of his power and deserves note! Minato:
Minato is ultimately a baw5
He creates the Rasengan, FTG, and much MUCH more - (RDS) - he also takes down the 9 tails and manages to save the village through that. He takes on Tobi headon - and seems to do it pretty easily with his Time space (even after admitting the other was more advanced) - and uses his FTG to the full effect...
Rasengan - a technique used further by his son - is further developed into an awesome technique - the Rasenshuriken - an ability which would definitly not have been created if not for minato.
Since the rasengan was based on the TBB naruto would have also not learned how to harness the ability of the TBB with Kurama - and access the ability of both negative and positive forms of chakra for the TBB
A true demonstration of the scale of Minato's power lies in his foresight - and understanding/creation of the FTG...
Someone with his abilities manages to send a TBB to a safer place - not destroying the village...
Furthermore - Minato has the foresight to implant a small amount of kushina and his own essence into the RDS seal in order to aid Naruto in the future... im pretty sure i didnt need to say all of that about minato because so many people are in love with him - but it was definitly worth it <3
Tsunade:
Tsunade is the person who implemente mediacl ninja into regular teams - she is the reason that so many ninja are still alive to fight another day!
She inherited the abilities of Yin Release techniques from her grandfather - and therefore became and extremely powerful opponent against Edo-madara - even breaking his Susano'o - an almost impossible feat...
She is truley a perfect choice for Kage - maybe not handling the paper work so well - but definitly being able to support her village where it really counted...even in comparison to the kage of other village such as mei or Garaa who lost faith in their abilities early on.
Tsunade's summons and therefore mass healing also compliments her abilities and enables her to be reinforced as a truley strong opponent - and DEFINITLY stronger than that of Tobirama... Did i mention she was trained by the 3rd Hokage making her a SANNIN - and ONE of the STRONGEST ninja of ALL TIME!?
Tobirama hasnt had to deal with half the crap that Tsunade has in her time as Kage - INCLUDING the war!
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To my knowledge - all Tobirama did was aid = not even major role = Hashi with creation of leaf...Create the Edo - which is causing endless problems this far into the series - and (as powerscaling is lessened in Part 1) - create water from nothing - which is a little feat for some ninja...
Ultimately Tobirama has done little to be deserving of the role 'kage' in comparison to every other person in that role...He was an inventor - but not anything as special as every other Kage...Making him the weakest Kage overall...
is this suppose to be joke.Tobirama is the most powerfulist water jutsu user in the manga no one has better understanding than water than him.
he is the oldest known person to have space time techniques he probably invented that too.
he can sense his opponents from a wide area with a touch of a finger.
he aided in war also and invented edo tensai and actually made a formula to ressurect people from the dead, who can do that and orochimaru stole that formula to procceed in his plan because it is almost the best jutsu.
we barely know anything from tobirama and hashirama.
Well Tsunade isn't really that powerful either. I mean tobirama can probably own them ^.^ ST jutsu, Most advanced water techs in the show. and probably some other techs that we don't know.
in power Hashirama, Sarutobi, Minato/Tobirama, Tsunade.
In leagacy : Hashirama, Tobirama, Minato, Sarutobi, Tsunade (She stil has to die to leave a legacy ;p)
is this suppose to be joke.Tobirama is the most powerfulist water jutsu user in the manga no one has better understanding than water than him.
he is the oldest known person to have space time techniques he probably invented that too.
he can sense his opponents from a wide area with a touch of a finger.
he aided in war also and invented edo tensai and actually made a formula to ressurect people from the dead, who can do that and orochimaru stole that formula to procceed in his plan because it is almost the best jutsu.
we barely know anything from tobirama and hashirama.
why would i be mad?...you made a post of no value - stating your opinions without examples to support them LOL, you seemed mad enough to go search narutopedia for 'touch of a finger to sense multiple shinobi' lol
He created an original recipe but never fixed it totally - are you forgetting tsunade made her ability to become almost invisible for a limited amount of time...sit Dafaq Down Son...
+ im tipsy, why would i be mad, this is hella fun..
Well im not really underestimating her. She is a medical ninja Medical ninjas aren't direct fighters. Tsunade herself said so. They are supporters.. But in legacy she will surpass either Sarutobi or Minato When she dies. Most badass woman in manga history baby xD
