Flaw in the Six Paths of Pein

[saaaaaadpanda]

Don't get me wrong, Nagato and his Six Paths are incredibly strong, however, there is a fatal flaw in using the Six Paths.

First off, why use the Six Paths instead of concentrating the power in the original Rinnegan user? Aside from the fact that Nagato was sick, the Six Paths offer an advantage in numbers, but more critically in sight. As you surely remember, all of the Paths and Nagato were visually linked allowing coordinated attacks and preventing attacks on blind spots:

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Unfortunately, that strength is Pein's greatest weakness. We know that Pein is susceptible to genjutsu:

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Because all of the Paths and Nagato are visually linked, a strong user of visual genjustu can essentially one shot all of them. It's too bad that Jiraiya's genjutsu was sound based.

What do you think? Am I wrong? Do the Six Paths have other weaknesses?

 

[El Batman]

In theory it can work, but with the rinnegan i assume its very hard to trap it in a genjutsu.

Also the caster of the genjutsu has to be very experienced, like Itachi

 

[Exaar]

Don't get me wrong, Nagato and his Six Paths are incredibly strong, however, there is a fatal flaw in using the Six Paths.

First off, why use the Six Paths instead of concentrating the power in the original Rinnegan user? Aside from the fact that Nagato was sick, the Six Paths offer an advantage in numbers, but more critically in sight. As you surely remember, all of the Paths and Nagato were visually linked allowing coordinated attacks and preventing attacks on blind spots:

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Unfortunately, that strength is Pein's greatest weakness. We know that Pein is susceptible to genjutsu:

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Because all of the Paths and Nagato are visually linked, a strong user of visual genjustu can essentially one shot all of them. It's too bad that Jiraiya's genjutsu was sound based.

What do you think? Am I wrong? Do the Six Paths have other weaknesses?

The paths are already dead, no form of mental nor physical torcher will harm them.

Also i don't see why nagato can't simply cut off the chakra to the affected paths and Resend chakra afterwards to Break genjutsu since that would count as disrupting chakra flow.

Nagato himself is normally quite far away from the Paths, Thus could be out of range of Genjutsu effects.

 

[Cerox0]

The biggest weakness is the 6 paths themselves.

Taking out each path out individually is A LOT easier then taking out a healthy Nagato with all his powers.

 

[ItachiSan03]

Nagato controls the six paths by zapping them with chakra. They are dead bodies controlled by chakra, i believe they are immune to genjutsu as they are constantly being zapped with chakra.

Now the argument that "nagato hears/sees everything that the pains see" obviously doesnt apply because he was cintrolling other pains, so he obviously wasnt under gen. So i think he just did it as a rise to make jiraiya let his guard down.

 

[saaaaaadpanda]

In theory it can work, but with the rinnegan i assume its very hard to trap it in a genjutsu.

Also the caster of the genjutsu has to be very experienced, like Itachi

That's not a big problem, there's plenty of experienced genjutsu users.

The paths are already dead, no form of mental nor physical torcher will harm them.

Also i don't see why nagato can't simply cut off the chakra to the affected paths and Resend chakra afterwards to Break genjutsu since that would count as disrupting chakra flow.

Nagato himself is normally quite far away from the Paths, Thus could be out of range of Genjutsu effects.

Doesn't matter if they're dead. By casting them in genjutsu you can end up killing them in the real world. If Nagato got caught in the genjutsu through his visual link, he'd be affected assuming it's a strong enough jutsu. Saying he could just break it by cutting off chakra is BS because he would've done that when some of the paths were caught under Jiraiya's genjutsu. Also, as far as them being physically separated, it doesn't matter. If they're close enough to be visually linked, he's close enough to be affected.

Nagato controls the six paths by zapping them with chakra. They are dead bodies controlled by chakra, i believe they are immune to genjutsu as they are constantly being zapped with chakra.

Now the argument that "nagato hears/sees everything that the pains see" obviously doesnt apply because he was cintrolling other pains, so he obviously wasnt under gen. So i think he just did it as a rise to make jiraiya let his guard down.

Wrong, they are not immune:

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Wrong again, Jiraiya's genjutsu is based on sound, not sight, so it doesn't affect the visual link. Nagato could still see what was going on in the genjutsu though.

 

[pdaworld]

there is no flaw. Nagato was force to create and use the 6 paths because his own legs were badly damage in a attempt to save his friends life. If he didn't lose his mobility the 6 paths probably wouldn't have been created

 

[Οdin]

Ocular genjutsu can't one-shot all of Pain's Paths. When one Path is caught in a genjutsu, they all will know which one is under the genjutsu, but not all will be affected.

But even if they are all affected, "I don't see why nagato can't simply cut off the chakra to the affected paths and resend chakra afterwards to break the genjutsu since that would count as disrupting chakra flow." << Exaar

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Im tired of this fanboy agenda argument that Nagato is weak to Genjutsu

The frog song was confirmed as the strongest genjutsu ever stated in the databook

He knew he was in it straight and was laughing through his paths.It surprised him as well.

Itachi and Sasuke got caught by a much weaker sound genjutsu does that mean they are weak to genjutsu?

Without information they are pratically invincible theres a reason they took down Konoha

 

[Ryuu..]

Can't believe you said Pain is susceptible to genjutsu, as if anyone was avoiding getting caught in the frog song. Thought this 'Nagato is prone/weak against genjutsu' had already been shown to have been a misconception

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[saaaaaadpanda]

Im tired of this fanboy agenda argument that Nagato is weak to Genjutsu

The frog song was confirmed as the strongest genjutsu ever stated in the databook

He knew he was in it straight and was laughing through his paths.It surprised him as well.

Itachi and Sasuke got caught by a much weaker sound genjutsu does that mean they are weak to genjutsu?

Without information they are pratically invincible theres a reason they took down Konoha

It's not that Pein is particularly weak to all genjutsu, just strong visual genjutsu. Even if the frog song is the strongest, it's sound based and would not affect the visual link the way a visual genjutsu would. If they're all seeing through the same eyes, they'll all be affected by the same visual jutsu.

Can't believe you said Pain is susceptible to genjutsu, as if anyone was avoiding getting caught in the frog song. Thought this 'Nagato is prone/weak against genjutsu' had already been shown to have been a misconception

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Again, I don't think Pein's particularly susceptible. It's just that if he gets hit by a strong, visual genjutsu, it will affect all the Paths and Nagato. That seems like a weakness.

 

[Οdin]

It's not that Pein is particularly weak to all genjutsu, just strong visual genjutsu. Even if the frog song is the strongest, it's sound based and would not affect the visual link the way a visual genjutsu would. If they're all seeing through the same eyes, they'll all be affected by the same visual jutsu.

As Exaar stated, Nagato can cut off the flow of chakra to the Paths thus, breaking the genjutsu. Then he can resend chakra to "revive" them.

 

[arv993]

it should work since they all share a visual link but obviously the technique can't be weak and has to be one tough genjutsu that is tough to break such as tsukiyomi

 

[saaaaaadpanda]

As Exaar stated, Nagato can cut off the flow of chakra to the Paths thus, breaking the genjutsu. Then he can resend chakra to "revive" them.

No, that won't work. If it could, Nagato would've done it when Jiraiya initially trapped some of the Paths.

it should work since they all share a visual link but obviously the technique can't be weak and has to be one tough genjutsu that is tough to break such as tsukiyomi

^Exactly my point, though apparently I'm having a hard time getting that across.

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

Im tired of this fanboy agenda argument that Nagato is weak to Genjutsu

The frog song was confirmed as the strongest genjutsu ever stated in the databook

He knew he was in it straight and was laughing through his paths.It surprised him as well.

Itachi and Sasuke got caught by a much weaker sound genjutsu does that mean they are weak to genjutsu?

Without information they are pratically invincible theres a reason they took down Konoha

Can't believe you said Pain is susceptible to genjutsu, as if anyone was avoiding getting caught in the frog song. Thought this 'Nagato is prone/weak against genjutsu' had already been shown to have been a misconception

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Disagree with you both, I think this lends evidence to Tsukuyomi, for one, being highly effective against him. There is no speculation to be made that the Rinnegan is an effective counter-measure to ocular genjutsu such as Tsukuyomi, unless you have proof that is. And Tsukuyomi was said to be one of the strongest genjutsus that exists.

 

[iSpeak]

Catching one in a visual genjutsu wouldn't affect the others at all. Each of the paths have their own Sensory nerves, chakra system and mind.
Example, when Bee gets caught in a genjutsu the Hachibi is still unaffected and able to snap Bee out of it, even though they both share the same vision. Genjutsu effects Bee's mind so the Hachibi would still see the real world through Bee's eyes.
Ma and Pa's genjutsu effects their vision aswel (giving them the illusion that they were trapped inside that water tank), yet the other paths were not caught in the genjtusu.

 

[Ryuu..]

No, that won't work. If it could, Nagato would've done it when Jiraiya initially trapped some of the Paths.



^Exactly my point, though apparently I'm having a hard time getting that across.

Actually, the point has been raised that Nagato allowed himself to be caught so that he could fool Jiraiya. This allowed his sensei to put his guard down and, as we saw, allow Nagato to take advantage.

Disagree with you both, I think this lends evidence to Tsukuyomi, for one, being highly effective against him. There is no speculation to be made that the Rinnegan is an effective counter-measure to ocular genjutsu such as Tsukuyomi, unless you have proof that is. And Tsukuyomi was said to be one of the strongest genjutsus that exist.

What are you talking about? I've not claimed that Nagato is immune to genjutsu, just that the notion it is his 'weakness' is just laughable.

 

[Οdin]

No, that won't work. If it could, Nagato would've done it when Jiraiya initially trapped some of the Paths.

If they are only "visually" linked, then how can Nagato hear what his Paths can hear? Oh, and remember when Nagato destroyed Konoha? He deactivated every other Path to focus the power into the Deva Path only. After his Deva Path destroyed Konoha, he reactivated the other Paths.

P.S. When Pain fought Jiraiya, I believe he used that whole part with the genjutsu to his advantage.

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

Catching one in a visual genjutsu wouldn't put the others in a genjutsu aswell. Each of the paths have their own Sensory nerves, chakra system and mind.
Example, when Bee gets caught in a genjutsu the Hachibi is still unaffected and able to snap Bee out of it, even though they both share the same vision. Genjutsu effects Bee's mind so the Hachibi would still see the real world through Bee's eyes.

The Hachibi is alive, the paths are all dead bodies being manipulated by Nagato's chakra hence the chakra receivers. They do not each have their own (alive and active) mind. They are just animated dead bodies all using Nagato's chakra and control. One mind.

 

[tazze019]

Read this.

I think Nagato has a shield for gengutsu...

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This was after he defeated Jiraiya. He created a shield of it.