Naruto Storyline: An analysis.
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SasukeTheViper EMS
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Finally Finished it !
I'm not gonna lie I wished it would've been a little bit longer I wanted more of that post because like I said it was probably The single most Eloquently and Intelligently wrote Post I've ever seen in my life ...Again you deserve like an Award for that Post ..because for one ..You showed what really makes us love and appreciate/enjoy the series as much as we do ..And you also pointed out how much we can learn things to use it in our Life experience..And that's just not to make threads on " A certain someone is > than a certain someone "
..Once again you never cease to amaze me ...with how much you explain the complexity of certain characters that most people tend to look at them just from their outer shape , and refuse to look into them deeper from the inside stubbornly .., Loved that you used the word " flashy " in "flashy jutsus" , because again it simply summarises the way people look at most things in the world .
When you used quotes from the series , it really showed me how much you Love Naruto , and that you aren't like most people who enjoys it as if it was DBZ or something ..and it also showed me how much you actually take the series' Idealism into your account in life .
..One thing though I would have loved if you also refrenced Mei Terumi (Mizukage) in that Sexism part ..., because I truly dislike the way that Kishi portrayed her as almost the weakest of the Kages in the Current War Arc...even though It was stated that she was the strongest Mizukage , and not only that but she has 2 Kekkei Genkai ..and has 4 Chakra elements for God sakes Kishi ..it's not like Females are nothing lol. ...otherwise 100% agree on your posts about How much Sakura and Tsunade are mis-treated and mis-understood by 99% of the fans of the show .
On another note .., you got me so emotional with those Pein quotes that you added ...you really do have a point , Pein's questions may have been answered in the show .., but still to this Day , they haven't been answered .., and People need someone to ask them these kind of questions , in order to achieve True Peace .
On the " What Really Defines a Hokage " part ...I couldn't agree more ..most people just look at the Power/Skill/Jutsus ...and completely miss the true important concept ..That the Hokage is always there to Defend their "Home" ..so that the Next Generation .., can survive and even surpass the former Generation .., It shows us the Cycle of Life .
My Hats Off to you Princess
I'm not gonna lie I wished it would've been a little bit longer I wanted more of that post because like I said it was probably The single most Eloquently and Intelligently wrote Post I've ever seen in my life ...Again you deserve like an Award for that Post ..because for one ..You showed what really makes us love and appreciate/enjoy the series as much as we do ..And you also pointed out how much we can learn things to use it in our Life experience..And that's just not to make threads on " A certain someone is > than a certain someone "
..Once again you never cease to amaze me ...with how much you explain the complexity of certain characters that most people tend to look at them just from their outer shape , and refuse to look into them deeper from the inside stubbornly .., Loved that you used the word " flashy " in "flashy jutsus" , because again it simply summarises the way people look at most things in the world .
When you used quotes from the series , it really showed me how much you Love Naruto , and that you aren't like most people who enjoys it as if it was DBZ or something ..and it also showed me how much you actually take the series' Idealism into your account in life .
..One thing though I would have loved if you also refrenced Mei Terumi (Mizukage) in that Sexism part ..., because I truly dislike the way that Kishi portrayed her as almost the weakest of the Kages in the Current War Arc...even though It was stated that she was the strongest Mizukage , and not only that but she has 2 Kekkei Genkai ..and has 4 Chakra elements for God sakes Kishi ..it's not like Females are nothing lol. ...otherwise 100% agree on your posts about How much Sakura and Tsunade are mis-treated and mis-understood by 99% of the fans of the show .
On another note .., you got me so emotional with those Pein quotes that you added ...you really do have a point , Pein's questions may have been answered in the show .., but still to this Day , they haven't been answered .., and People need someone to ask them these kind of questions , in order to achieve True Peace .
On the " What Really Defines a Hokage " part ...I couldn't agree more ..most people just look at the Power/Skill/Jutsus ...and completely miss the true important concept ..That the Hokage is always there to Defend their "Home" ..so that the Next Generation .., can survive and even surpass the former Generation .., It shows us the Cycle of Life .
My Hats Off to you Princess
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For the moment I can't answer as complex as I would like to, but I will come back and edit it.Finally Finished it !
I'm not gonna lie I wished it would've been a little bit longer I wanted more of that post because like I said it was probably The single most Eloquently and Intelligently wrote Post I've ever seen in my life ...Again you deserve like an Award for that Post ..because for one ..You showed what really makes us love and appreciate/enjoy the series as much as we do ..And you also pointed out how much we can learn things to use it in our Life experience..And that's just not to make threads on " A certain someone is > than a certain someone "
..Once again you never cease to amaze me ...with how much you explain the complexity of certain characters that most people tend to look at them just from their outer shape , and refuse to look into them deeper from the inside stubbornly .., Loved that you used the word " flashy " in "flashy jutsus" , because again it simply summarises the way people look at most things in the world .
When you used quotes from the series , it really showed me how much you Love Naruto , and that you aren't like most people who enjoys it as if it was DBZ or something ..and it also showed me how much you actually take the series' Idealism into your account in life .
..One thing though I would have loved if you also refrenced Mei Terumi (Mizukage) in that Sexism part ..., because I truly dislike the way that Kishi portrayed her as almost the weakest of the Kages in the Current War Arc...even though It was stated that she was the strongest Mizukage , and not only that but she has 2 Kekkei Genkai ..and has 4 Chakra elements for God sakes Kishi ..it's not like Females are nothing lol. ...otherwise 100% agree on your posts about How much Sakura and Tsunade are mis-treated and mis-understood by 99% of the fans of the show .
On another note .., you got me so emotional with those Pein quotes that you added ...you really do have a point , Pein's questions may have been answered in the show .., but still to this Day , they haven't been answered .., and People need someone to ask them these kind of questions , in order to achieve True Peace .
On the " What Really Defines a Hokage " part ...I couldn't agree more ..most people just look at the Power/Skill/Jutsus ...and completely miss the true important concept ..That the Hokage is always there to Defend their "Home" ..so that the Next Generation .., can survive and even surpass the former Generation .., It shows us the Cycle of Life .
My Hats Of to you Princess
I was thinking indeed at the Mizukage part, but didn't mention her because, at least, for the moment she is not that hated.
But I think I replied to someone about her, here on the thread if not on someone else's thread.
You, my sir, gave my shivers with your reply. AND I MEAN IT!
Thank you from the bottom of my heart!
SasukeTheViper EMS
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No problem ....my Pleasure
...you truly deserve a reply like this if not better .., and thank you , and I do agree that the Mizukage is not hated as much as the other KonoItchis' like Sakura and Tsunade ....And I really meant every word that I said ! :y :luv:
NarutoFactoid
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Hmmm controversial indeed. Seems like the boners had no trouble warming up to you with +rep. Such a colorful female presence on the forums. Too bad i'm an old fashioned gamer that only settles for booby pictures as proof. So i'm gonna be a little tougher to please. i'm good for this kind of stuff though.
1, THE FEMALES
Your first issue is with the female heroes. They are not strong enough. The creator must be sexist in all that he's done to hold these women back.
First of all i've never met or heard of a woman/girl that was interested in manga/video games/this stuff, that didn't also have a deep desire to see more out of the female heroine department.
Calling kishi sexist goes to far. It is not a stretch, for certain real world themes to reflect story world themes. The theme that it is mostly the men that do the fighting. That a man is a stronger fighter. A mans physically abilities are proportionally stronger then a womans. These are real world themes reflected in the narutoverse.
It's not like they take a back seat and are all medical ninja though. Tsunade was a great addition to the cast for a fan like you. Ten ten throws all kinds of stuff. Mei is an interesting vixen fighter. Yes their outnumbered by the men. Does NOT qualify for sexist.
Sakuras hate doesn't come from being a girl it comes from her character defects. Defects that had to be slightly altered in shippuden in order for her character to keep up with the story.
She is a core member of team 7 no doubt about it. Her role in team 7 as you've described Her role is clear/solid. And still. Was useless. (her words). Yes she addressed it to herself in the manga. This was so she could fix it as the story went on.
Her original character was A.Useless in battle. B.obsessed with her teenage crush on sasuke. so much so that even 3-4years later, she doesn't realize sasuke does not even consider her a part of his life.(tried to kill her at the bridge....). Shes the slit her wrists if she can't have him type.
The creators took some HUGE steps to make her stronger in all respects. You mentioned them. The reason she's still defective in mine and others minds is because we know this. This is a time when it is appropriate to disagree with a writers direction with the story, and consider your own opinion as to what should of happened, as greater. IE. She's lucky to be where she is. BUT, the story goes on.
Fact is you have women in the field. In the war. 2 kage. some formor jinchurikki. Honestly if you took a poll i'm sure nobody is gonna say no to more fights involving girls. We'd love to see more of anything in the narutoworld. Your argument is that you want more. Not that it is sexist.
As for tsunade the only person hating on her is edo madara in the manga. He's the evil dude and he's talking trash. Of course we don't agree with what he's saying. There isn't a man alive that doesn't take a shine to tsunade.
Seriously though. We know her insane strength and healing abilities. And she has many fans. You don't have to worry about her.
2. OPINIONS ON STORYLINE
This goes with what I was saying about when you might disagree with the writer on his direction. Sometimes it can be about right and wrong. And sometimes it can be about neglect. They forget to put it in or they just really couldn't/can't fit it in.
Those speculations are always fun. It's just harder to confirm it in other fans heads because you don't have the supporting word of the creator. Which for these things, that word = LAW.
3. REAL LIFE CONNECTIONS.
Naruto has real life things that kishi trys to convey. The dialogue is the most obvious. Never giving up. Beleiving in yourself.
Stuff thats harder to tell. Having a bijuu inside you represents inner strength. To not fear it and use it. And make it one with yourself.
All of manga and anime though, lacks real world experience in morality. So I suggest not getting too attached to certain....ideals.
-done
P.S. The fanbase for Avatar the Last Airbender was mostly young women. They are the reason for Legend of Korra being what it is today. The sequel and legacy to all that is the avatarverse. And as a fan of the avatarverse. I find that sexist.
1, THE FEMALES
Your first issue is with the female heroes. They are not strong enough. The creator must be sexist in all that he's done to hold these women back.
First of all i've never met or heard of a woman/girl that was interested in manga/video games/this stuff, that didn't also have a deep desire to see more out of the female heroine department.
Calling kishi sexist goes to far. It is not a stretch, for certain real world themes to reflect story world themes. The theme that it is mostly the men that do the fighting. That a man is a stronger fighter. A mans physically abilities are proportionally stronger then a womans. These are real world themes reflected in the narutoverse.
It's not like they take a back seat and are all medical ninja though. Tsunade was a great addition to the cast for a fan like you. Ten ten throws all kinds of stuff. Mei is an interesting vixen fighter. Yes their outnumbered by the men. Does NOT qualify for sexist.
Sakuras hate doesn't come from being a girl it comes from her character defects. Defects that had to be slightly altered in shippuden in order for her character to keep up with the story.
She is a core member of team 7 no doubt about it. Her role in team 7 as you've described Her role is clear/solid. And still. Was useless. (her words). Yes she addressed it to herself in the manga. This was so she could fix it as the story went on.
Her original character was A.Useless in battle. B.obsessed with her teenage crush on sasuke. so much so that even 3-4years later, she doesn't realize sasuke does not even consider her a part of his life.(tried to kill her at the bridge....). Shes the slit her wrists if she can't have him type.
The creators took some HUGE steps to make her stronger in all respects. You mentioned them. The reason she's still defective in mine and others minds is because we know this. This is a time when it is appropriate to disagree with a writers direction with the story, and consider your own opinion as to what should of happened, as greater. IE. She's lucky to be where she is. BUT, the story goes on.
Fact is you have women in the field. In the war. 2 kage. some formor jinchurikki. Honestly if you took a poll i'm sure nobody is gonna say no to more fights involving girls. We'd love to see more of anything in the narutoworld. Your argument is that you want more. Not that it is sexist.
As for tsunade the only person hating on her is edo madara in the manga. He's the evil dude and he's talking trash. Of course we don't agree with what he's saying. There isn't a man alive that doesn't take a shine to tsunade.
Seriously though. We know her insane strength and healing abilities. And she has many fans. You don't have to worry about her.
2. OPINIONS ON STORYLINE
This goes with what I was saying about when you might disagree with the writer on his direction. Sometimes it can be about right and wrong. And sometimes it can be about neglect. They forget to put it in or they just really couldn't/can't fit it in.
Those speculations are always fun. It's just harder to confirm it in other fans heads because you don't have the supporting word of the creator. Which for these things, that word = LAW.
3. REAL LIFE CONNECTIONS.
Naruto has real life things that kishi trys to convey. The dialogue is the most obvious. Never giving up. Beleiving in yourself.
Stuff thats harder to tell. Having a bijuu inside you represents inner strength. To not fear it and use it. And make it one with yourself.
All of manga and anime though, lacks real world experience in morality. So I suggest not getting too attached to certain....ideals.
-done
P.S. The fanbase for Avatar the Last Airbender was mostly young women. They are the reason for Legend of Korra being what it is today. The sequel and legacy to all that is the avatarverse. And as a fan of the avatarverse. I find that sexist.
Well, if it wouldn't have been for your thread in the first place, this one wouldn't have existed.No problem ....my Pleasure
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Regarding the mizukage, yes, I should put that as an evidence of Kishi's sexism. He kind of tried to make it up by having her having more kekke genkai, yet, he made her so weak in the battle where she should have been one of the top tiers.
Now to get back on your original reply, now that I have some time I will reply adequate.
I haven't made it that long because it's already too long - huge from some point of views, and to be honest, at the beginning for me these were the most pressurising - if I may say like that, points.
I made my thread based on my existence here on Naruto Base. It wasn't only a Naruto Base analyze, it was the story itself combined with NB.
Of course, you are totally right, this could have gone way further, because I am sure there are many things I haven't pointed out but that's why I am inviting people to collaborate with me - if I may say like this. Because I am sure that I haven't covered all aspects.
I have discussed with some people on private, that gave me ideas about other points I could have talked about. Of course, they were somewhere around the back of my mind, but I haven't considered them that important at the moment. NOTE! I am not saying they are less important, but making the comparison between that specific subject with the ones in my mind, I just prioritized these actual points I have written about.
I used the term flashy jutsus because I believe it a correct form.
The majority only read the manga/watch the anime because of those things, not because of the story itself, I hereby can declare that it's a correct term.
Generally, the animes are a mixture of power combine with great teachings that stand behind those flashy jutsus. I think you just have to be smart enough to read those 'signs'.
Animes - at least the ones I've seen, are morale teachings. They always have a hidden message we have to understand, only that Naruto is a bit more special, Naruto says it out, loud and clear. But, unfortunately some don't count that in, they just watch it because they display a great feat of power and makes the reader think that he can posses that power in his own parallel universe so there comes the "vs" threads - which I don't blame, I applaud them, only that I think those threads are misunderstood.
Those threads are - in my opinion - for a better analysis of a character, about his feats, power, intelligence and so on.
Only that when someone starts a thread they just take in consideration the character's power.
Example I will give, I don't know... Itachi vs. Minato.
No one takes in consideration when they battle the fact that these character's feat haven't been fully explored - ie Minato, and no one seems to take in consideration the amount of intelligence they both posses. No one wants to admit that between these 2 char. might be a draw, considering their skills and intelligence. They just want their fav. character to be stronger than the opponent's fav. character.
Anyway based on what I've said here I am preparing another analysis. Only that I don't know whether I should post it here or at the beginning of the thread.
That would really make it HUGE, lol.
SasukeTheViper EMS
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Well, if it wouldn't have been for your thread in the first place, this one wouldn't have existed.
Regarding the mizukage, yes, I should put that as an evidence of Kishi's sexism. He kind of tried to make it up by having her having more kekke genkai, yet, he made her so weak in the battle where she should have been one of the top tiers.
Now to get back on your original reply, now that I have some time I will reply adequate.
I haven't made it that long because it's already too long - huge from some point of views, and to be honest, at the beginning for me these were the most pressurising - if I may say like that, points.
I made my thread based on my existence here on Naruto Base. It wasn't only a Naruto Base analyze, it was the story itself combined with NB.
Of course, you are totally right, this could have gone way further, because I am sure there are many things I haven't pointed out but that's why I am inviting people to collaborate with me - if I may say like this. Because I am sure that I haven't covered all aspects.
I have discussed with some people on private, that gave me ideas about other points I could have talked about. Of course, they were somewhere around the back of my mind, but I haven't considered them that important at the moment. NOTE! I am not saying they are less important, but making the comparison between that specific subject with the ones in my mind, I just prioritized these actual points I have written about.
I used the term flashy jutsus because I believe it a correct form.
The majority only read the manga/watch the anime because of those things, not because of the story itself, I hereby can declare that it's a correct term.
Generally, the animes are a mixture of power combine with great teachings that stand behind those flashy jutsus. I think you just have to be smart enough to read those 'signs'.
Animes - at least the ones I've seen, are morale teachings. They always have a hidden message we have to understand, only that Naruto is a bit more special, Naruto says it out, loud and clear. But, unfortunately some don't count that in, they just watch it because they display a great feat of power and makes the reader think that he can posses that power in his own parallel universe so there comes the "vs" threads - which I don't blame, I applaud them, only that I think those threads are misunderstood.
Those threads are - in my opinion - for a better analysis of a character, about his feats, power, intelligence and so on.
Only that when someone starts a thread they just take in consideration the character's power.
Example I will give, I don't know... Itachi vs. Minato.
No one takes in consideration when they battle the fact that these character's feat haven't been fully explored - ie Minato, and no one seems to take in consideration the amount of intelligence they both posses. No one wants to admit that between these 2 char. might be a draw, considering their skills and intelligence. They just want their fav. character to be stronger than the opponent's fav. character.
Anyway based on what I've said here I am preparing another analysis. Only that I don't know whether I should post it here or at the beginning of the thread.
That would really make it HUGE, lol.
Thanks for the shoutout to my thread ...I truly appreciate it
and yeah I agree ...we just need more people like you and this base will be complete ...And thanks for taking the time to reply to me
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Thanks for the rep and also something I think you should add on their is how people criticize or insult kishi when they find something they don't like about the story, if they don't like it then they don't have t read it but considering all the work he goes through and we get to read it for free! It's just shameful to make hateful comments toward kishi because of things we'd prefer to be different in the manga.
teetooktier
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Sakura may have some strength of character, but even that pales in comparison to Naruto's determination. As for her actual fighting ability, it is objectively one of the lowest of the most of the main characters we have seen, certainly to low for her to have much impact in any of the main conflicts going on now. For these reasons sakura rightly deserves IMO her reputation as a useless crybaby. So while your post was well written, I can't agree. The rest I skimmed through, looks like good stuff.
I should add that we may not necessarily be sexist for thinking this way. Kishimoto I agree is sexist, and he has written a sexist story. Within this story, as should be therefore expected, a female character is of little use. That we recognize this doesn't mean the we are also sexist. We are simply reading a sexist story as it is.
I should add that we may not necessarily be sexist for thinking this way. Kishimoto I agree is sexist, and he has written a sexist story. Within this story, as should be therefore expected, a female character is of little use. That we recognize this doesn't mean the we are also sexist. We are simply reading a sexist story as it is.
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NarutoFactoid
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yes thanks the sleep was nice , i'm guessing your asleep right now though haha
Finally Finished it !
I'm not gonna lie I wished it would've been a little bit longer I wanted more of that post because like I said it was probably The single most Eloquently and Intelligently wrote Post I've ever seen in my life ...Again you deserve like an Award for that Post ..because for one ..You showed what really makes us love and appreciate/enjoy the series as much as we do ..And you also pointed out how much we can learn things to use it in our Life experience..And that's just not to make threads on " A certain someone is > than a certain someone "
..Once again you never cease to amaze me ...with how much you explain the complexity of certain characters that most people tend to look at them just from their outer shape , and refuse to look into them deeper from the inside stubbornly .., Loved that you used the word " flashy " in "flashy jutsus" , because again it simply summarises the way people look at most things in the world .
When you used quotes from the series , it really showed me how much you Love Naruto , and that you aren't like most people who enjoys it as if it was DBZ or something ..and it also showed me how much you actually take the series' Idealism into your account in life .
..One thing though I would have loved if you also refrenced Mei Terumi (Mizukage) in that Sexism part ..., because I truly dislike the way that Kishi portrayed her as almost the weakest of the Kages in the Current War Arc...even though It was stated that she was the strongest Mizukage , and not only that but she has 2 Kekkei Genkai ..and has 4 Chakra elements for God sakes Kishi ..it's not like Females are nothing lol. ...otherwise 100% agree on your posts about How much Sakura and Tsunade are mis-treated and mis-understood by 99% of the fans of the show .
On another note .., you got me so emotional with those Pein quotes that you added ...you really do have a point , Pein's questions may have been answered in the show .., but still to this Day , they haven't been answered .., and People need someone to ask them these kind of questions , in order to achieve True Peace .
On the " What Really Defines a Hokage " part ...I couldn't agree more ..most people just look at the Power/Skill/Jutsus ...and completely miss the true important concept ..That the Hokage is always there to Defend their "Home" ..so that the Next Generation .., can survive and even surpass the former Generation .., It shows us the Cycle of Life .
My Hats Off to you Princess
i agree 100% with viper , the way in which you express your opinions and pick up on the true meanings is just so ... words can't express
Unsatisfied Sin
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An awesome read, so thank you. I found the Sakura portion to be the most interesting, I agree that she is the balance between sasuke and Naruto. She may be annoying most of the time but she also adds lightness at certain times where it is needed. I also feel a need to comment on your opinion that Kishi may be sexist. It is hard to say that he is or is not. But from what I have seen I also agree, he always places the men in a more dominating role while the women always seem to be relying on them or crying. But there are exceptions for that too, because Sakura is more independent now, and her fight with Sasori was on par with Sasukes fight with Deidara.
teetooktier
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I think it's funny that one of the biggest points of this thread is sexism and most of the guys who reply here are going to say they agree with your thread just because you have your pic in your ava and you are a beautiful woman. Lol just had to point that out.
NarutoFactoid
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what makes you think kishi and his naruto story are sexist. i addressed it in my post.
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