ofcourse he showed more feats he's older than shika and don't forget shika's lazy characteristic (no drive, unlike itachi) which made him basically laze around for all his academy years and the fact that he never had any power to awaken(which takes talent). For me itachi and shika are 2 very different people who can't be compared to each other
So do you think Itachi would have been capable of the things shikamaru did if he had just the jutsus Shikamaru has? i don´t think so.
On the other hand do i think Shikamaru could have achieved the same things Itachi did with his skill. I rather doubt that too because shikamaru does not have a way with people. But give Itachis skills to Shikamaru and i am sure he would have defeated all the enemys that itachi did.
So shikamaru master plan was a team player plan to take the blood of kakuzu with the help of kakashi, then tricked the dumbest person in narutoverse (hidan) to think he stabed shikamaru then stabed himself to kill kakuzu.
but the planed failed because kakuzu just dint die..
i think itachi, shukaku and minato would have acomplished the samething. with team form with kakashi, choyi and ino
Itachi super shuriken technique combine with shikamarus kunai shadow technique..
dude screw!! those guys will be screw!! for real!
that technique of shikamaru would be come something fear because u cant hide your shadows and with that perfect kunai tecnique big trouble!
I've seen many threads arguing about Itachi's and Shikamaru's intelligence. I would like to clear things out once and for all so that the fanboys can be silenced. Let me start off by saying that I am indeed an Uchiha fanboy, however, I can acknowledge when any Uchiha would loose. I've admitted Itachi's defeat to several characters many a time, and with full confidence, and not out of reluctance. This will hopefully assure you that I'm not being too biased.
Let's start off with Itachi. We'll begin with some factual information:
Itachi has a 5 in intelligence, as does Shikamaru.
Itachi became an Anbu captain at the age of 13! A feat worthy of remark in a thread like this.
Itachi was born into the Uchiha clan as the eldest son of Mikoto and Fugaku Uchiha and was praised by all as the best of his generation, a genius above all others, even by the standards of the battle-adept Uchiha clan, Itachi's prowess far outshone their own. However, few could understand him. When he was only four, Itachi had already witnessed countless lives lost due to the Third Shinobi World War, which emotionally traumatised him and turned him into a pacifist. This is a brief summary of his intelligence. If you look at the parts in bold you'll notice that he was praised by many, and without a doubt already one of the most intelligent character introduced to the series.
At age 7, Itachi graduated from the Academy at the top of his classafter only one year, mastered the Sharingan at age 8, passed the Chūnin Exams at age 10, enrolled in ANBU half a year later and became captain by 13. I'm sure the parts in bold surprise you.
When Itachi volunteered to fight Kakashi as they were coming for the Akatsuki in the early parts of the Shippuden, I'm sure he wasn't even scared. He managed to fend off Chiyo, Kakashi, Sakura and Naruto despite not having the Mangekyo Sharingan with him. Although he lost, he did his job, and if he wanted to I'm sure he could have done some serious damage.
One of the greatest feats that Itachi has achieved is breaking out of the Edo Tensei. Although many might argue that it was a completely lucky event and had nothing to do with intelligence. I beg to differ. If that was anyone else they would not have known what to do with KA. KA isn't, and was never supposed to be used for the Edo Tensei. The fact that Itachi, so quickly realized that he could break out of it with KA is tremendous and is also a monument to his intelligence.
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Just look at Kabuto's poor face, and his reaction. "Uchiha Itachi... he's clearly on another level to the others!" I wonder if Kabuto had Shikamaru in his mind when he was saying this :noc:
Here we see Itachi blocking Nagato's summon, so he can create a blind spot in the Rinnegan's shared field of vision! This is insanity, I don't know whether he figured this out on the spot, or he already knew about the Rinnegan's shared field of vision, but either way, Shikamaru would never have been able to do this. Some ask why this requires intelligence, it's a physical feat, no? That may hold some truth, but without intelligence such a feat could not have been executed.
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One of my favourite things I like to reminisce about is the time when Itachi analyzed Nagato's Chibaku Tensei. Something I doubt Shikamaru would have been able to do, please note that me saying Shikamaru not being able to analyze Chibaku Tensei properly is just my opinion, it holds no facts. Let's explore this feat.
Here we see Itachi noting almost instantly that is has a gravitational pull! This is ludicrous! What a genius!
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This is practically the same thing, he's analyzing it.
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Within seconds Itachi's already figured out Chibaku Tensei's weakness. What a genius! Note how he also says that you do not have to aim as it's gravitational pull will simply guide the attack. Shikamaru has nothing on this. They seem to think that tactically he's better, which is false.
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Notice how direct, and official Itachi is. He asks the right questions, and gets the job done.
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This is the final feat of Itachi that I'd like to get over with, as this thread has already become a wall of text!
Again, people seem to think that tactically Shikamaru has done more than Itachi, but they can't come up with a shred of evidence. In this fight Itachi teaches Kakashi about the Sharingan. IMO Kakashi got owned. Notice that in this picture Itachi is so calm, and seems to be formulating a plan.
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On the next page look at how direct, and sure Itachi's facial expression is.
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Here on the next page, Itachi absolutely trolls Kakashi. He performs a Water Style Jutsu without Kakashi even being able to see iteven with the Sharingan.
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On the next page, I have to admit, even I was confused! Itachi creates a clone, before anyone can even notice it. It confused the living shit out of Kurenai.
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Even Kakashi, the man praised as an intellectual among his generation pales in comparison the Genius of Uchiha Itachi. He admits it himself. He also comments that Itachi hasn't even begun to show his true power, and proceeds to imply that he's simply toying with them.
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May I ask what Shikamaru was doing at age 7? What was Shikamaru mastering at age 8? When did Shikamaru pass the Chūnin Exams? When did Shikamaru enroll to become an Anbu Captain? When did Shikamaru ever, ever, do anything on the scale that Itachi has? When has he ever done something worthy of mention? I'll applaud him for the fact that Tobi mentioned he was a pain to fight, but apart from that, what other big time things has he achieved? Oh yeah, he hasn't done anything extremely special. Never. He wasn't doing any of that. Itachi has been shown to achieve great feats even at a young age. One thing I'd like to point out is that he became an Anbu Captain at age 13. Kakashi became a Jōnin at the age of 13, so technically Itachi was his boss U_U I'm sure we can all agree that Itachi is more intelligent than Kakashi, and already Itachi has achieved a higher rank than him, at the same age. Itachi has also owned Kakashi many times in battle.
I've analyzed the feats Itachi has achieved that I deemed worthy of being mentioned in this thread. If anyone dares to cross me then begin, list any amount of feats that Shikamaru has achieved, and none will match Itachi's. None.
IMO, Itachi beats Shikamaru in intelligence, all round too. He has come up with better tactics, and in seconds. Shikamaru would poop his pants if he saw Nagato's Chibaku Tensei, haha, believe me U_U
Thank you to all who read, please share so that the Shikamaru fanboys may be silenced.
Edit: I believe that my interpretation of intelligence derives from my deep love for Philosophy. Itachi seems to me the philosophic type, and as a result of his personality I've dubbed him the most intelligent. Some of his quotes still interest me, even today. Thanks to all who read.
itachi was only able to do all these things by the age of whatever just cuz imo it's not really in the nara history of someone doing such things. like...the nara's are tactical geniuses and such, they don't really focus on training and don't really have the chakra reserves for intense training. unlike itachi...just because shikamaru wasn't/isn't doing as much doesn't mean he's not more intelligent...itachi just really has an ancient bloodline/screen time going for him...
I think Shikaku and Shikamaru are smarter in strategy tactics.
But Itachi has knowledge in the battle field and everything in the Narutoverse, making him smarter in that area.
So (imo) I think they are both equally intelligent but in different fields.. if that makes sense.
By the way, well done on your post, you've made some very good points and it's very descriptive so awesome work.
So shikamaru master plan was a team player plan to take the blood of kakuzu with the help of kakashi, then tricked the dumbest person in narutoverse (hidan) to think he stabed shikamaru then stabed himself to kill kakuzu.
but the planed failed because kakuzu just dint die..
i think itachi, shukaku and minato would have acomplished the samething. with team form with kakashi, choyi and ino
Itachi super shuriken technique combine with shikamarus kunai shadow technique..
dude screw!! those guys will be screw!! for real!
that technique of shikamaru would be come something fear because u cant hide your shadows and with that perfect kunai tecnique big trouble!
First of all, almost all of itachi's feat u mentioned are aided by sharingan and years of battle experience. Most of them are more extraordinary power than brainz. It doesnt prove shit
From the outset of the plot, shikamaru will surpass his father(current most intelligent) and become an advisor of naruto. Shika being lazy has no play in his brains capacity
To conclude intelligence is undefined here. Oro is book intelligent but I would rather have him as a killing robot in a battle than a genius using his brain to make the call.
BTW kakashi didnt pale in comparison in terms of intelligence but in terms of power.
I've analyzed the feats Itachi has achieved that I deemed worthy of being mentioned in this thread. If anyone dares to cross me then begin, list any amount of feats that Shikamaru has achieved, and none will match Itachi's. None.
IMO, Itachi beats Shikamaru in intelligence, all round too. He has come up with better tactics, and in seconds. Shikamaru would poop his pants if he saw Nagato's Chibaku Tensei, haha, believe me
:flaw::flaw:So much flaw i dont even...
Shika poop his pants if he saw chibaku tensei? Why because he cant use his brain to produce a powerful being to protect him? :sy::sy: That is certainly a test of shika's intelligence and not defensive power right?
You & shikamaru dont want to accept this but he will become the most intelligent person in narutoverse
Shikamaru is the most intelligent. Period! Itachi accomplished all of those amazing feats because he had the uchiha blood line. The sharingan. I mean c'mon people. If Shikamaru was born an uchiha he would have done the same things Itachi did, if not more. You wanna know what can end all the debate? Itachi is dead! Shikamaru is alive! End of story. Shikamaru has survived all of his battles, and he managed to get out of the same genjutsy itachi and sasuke got caught in while fighting kabuto, but shikamaru did it WITHOUT the "almighty sharingan". Now let's look at Itachi. Itachi died while fighting Sasuke, although due to some unknown disease, he still died. He wasn't smart enough to find a cure now was he? No. He wasn't. Shikamaru is the smartest character in the Naruto universe. Plain and simple.
I have looked through this entire thread and do not see that scan where Kakashi says that. The second one, where Naruto tells it to Sakura, is what I was referring to. I would like to see that scan then.
There you go my friend, Kakashi saying that he's as smart as shika..
Which is why I believe each and every one of you are overating his abilities... He's not shikaku yet...Right now at 16 he's on part with geniuses like kakashi, minato etc.. in terms of being analytical and strategical...
However they surpasss him in terms of pure knowledge... Of jutsu, history etc.. since they're older...
This is why shikimaru only compares when it comes to being strategical... And that's only 1 part of intelligence
There you go my friend, Kakashi saying that he's as smart as shika..
Which is why I believe each and every one of you are overating his abilities... He's not shikaku yet...Right now at 16 he's on part with geniuses like kakashi, minato etc.. in terms of being analytical and strategical...
However they surpasss him in terms of pure knowledge... Of jutsu, history etc.. since they're older...
This is why shikimaru only compares when it comes to being strategical... And that's only 1 part of intelligence
Not disagreeing in any way but i would just like to point out kakashi said he has a brain like shika(analytical brain) not necessarily equal. I would say shika might be more creative in strategical terms but kakashi is more creative in ninjutsu creation, usage terms. The topic is so vague because of broad viewpoint to look from
Not disagreeing in any way but i would just like to point out kakashi said he has a brain like shika(analytical brain) not necessarily equal. I would say shika might be more creative in strategical terms but kakashi is more creative in ninjutsu creation, usage terms. The topic is so vague because of broad viewpoint to look from
