Hiruzen Sarutobi: "The GOD of shinobi" arguments

who is stronger

  • Hiruzen (3rd Hokage)

    Votes: 239 33.8%
  • Hashirama (1st Hokage)

    Votes: 469 66.2%

  • Total voters
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Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

From what we've seen of the two's fighting abilities and power, Hashirama looks superior. Of course, we haven't actually seen Hiruzen fight much, not even in his prime. However, the two have been said to be the strongest Hokage's (this is from memory so I'm probably wrong lol I apologize if I am..) but Hiruzen has been called the God Of Shinobi. But, Hashirama went up against Madara, who imo, is a beast and Hashirama survived. With these two facts and everyone else's views, points and opinions in this thread, I call this one a draw. I can't decide who's the better Hokage until I see more from Hiruzen, sorry..
 

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Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

lol its not a theory. its obviously stated that hashiramas power was a myth and manga>your opinion as you hiruzen fanboys like of say. you are saying that it is far-fetched but the manga supports it.
Manga supported? Please feel free to show me the panel where not a single person believed those old men.
 

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Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Until Hiruzen is shown in his prime, hashi is better until proven otherwise... How about stop reading hype and look at the basic facts.
 

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Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

The databook says Hiruzen was the Strongest kage. Until Kishi refutes this, it is fact that Hiruzen was stronger then Hashirama. People's oppinions don't mean anything to the databooks.
 
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Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Iruka(mere chunin or above lvl ninja/ never saw 3rd's true potential/ relying on speculations) rendered 3rd the strongest...
Kakashi(an elite shinobi around kage lvl/ have war xp/ saw his master's calibre) rendered 4th the strongest....
Madara(One of the strongest shinobi ever lived/ spent his life in battlefield/ fought Hashirama) renders 1st the strongest.....

Now, whose statement is more valid, Iruka's or Madara's???
I mentioned Kakashi bcoz he himself is one renowned shinobi and in his opinion 4th is the strongest.....which also is a valid choice at least when compared to Iruka's....
 
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There you Go, Anything else you need?. maybe the ability to read?



Lol, Go read the manga if you want it Proven.

Take your Baseless arugments else where, Or come back when you have a decent arugment.
thats a fail. it said ''the third was said to be'' hint hint 'WAS SAID TO BE'
 

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Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Iruka(mere chunin or above lvl ninja/ never saw 3rd's true potential/ relying on speculations) rendered 3rd the strongest...
Kakashi(an elite shinobi around kage lvl/ have war xp/ saw his master's calibre) rendered 4th the strongest....
Madara(One of the strongest shinobi ever lived/ spent his life in battlefield/ fought Hashirama) renders 1st the strongest.....

Now, whose statement is more valid, Iruka's or Madara's???
I mentioned Kakashi bcoz he himself is one renowned shinobi and in his opinion 4th is the strongest.....which also is a valid choice at least when compared to Iruka's....
The Databook's statement is more valid.

The Databook (as good as Kishi's own words. He rendered Hiruzen the strongest Hokage). How convenient that you forgot to add that option.
 

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Hiruzen's strength was measured by his jutsu

According to the databook, Hiruzen is the strongest of the Hokage. I don't care what any character has to say, the databook>characters. Now that that's out of the way, I'm going to attempt to put an end to the Hashi vs Hiruzen debate. I'll probably fail though, but we'll see....

I would like to point out that being the strongest Hokage doesn't mean that he can nessecarily beat Harishima in a one on one fight. Allow me to explain.

Hiruzen, quite frankly, was the strongest Hokage for obvious reasons. He was nicknamed the professor and at one point knew every jutsu that existed in the Leaf. That would mean that he knew WAY more jutsu than Harishima did. He knew all jutsu from Harishima's lifetime and then some, basically 3 Hokage generations worth of knowledge.

In part 1, the idea that strength=justu mastered was heavily stressed through the main villian Orochimaru. In fact, I think the reason why Oro felt that being stronger=learning more jutsu is because his sensei, Hiruzen!, was considered the strongest because he knew more jutsu than anyone.

Now the reason I say that having "superlative strength", as Iruka put it, doesn't mean you can always beat your opponent, is because we've seen countless fights where weaker enemies won for reasons such as fighting style advantage, intelligence, or simply being able to hit the right jutsu at the right time. I have 2 examples for you:

Example 1: Rock Lee vs Sasuke.

When Lee fought Sasuke during the chunin exam extrance, Lee OWNED him. Now, clearly he wasn't stronger than Sasuke by any means. Sasuke had the sharingan, the chakra and the knowledge. But, as we learned though that chapter, Lee was simply too fast for Sasuke to avoid his attacks, even though Sasuke could see them clearly. Lee, a fighter with only Taijutsu, defeated a stronger Sasuke.

Example 2: 3rd Hokage vs Naruto.

Now this wasn't a fight, but Naruto still took down Hiruzen with a pretty pathetic jutsu. We ALL know Naruto was not stronger than Hiruzen in part 1, but this is exactly why I say that being stronger does not mean you can't get caught off guard by the right jutsu. Naruto took down Hiruzen with the sexy no jutsu, yes, SEXY NO JUTSU.



I know some of you are going "this doesn't mean anything" but you clearly see Hiruzen laying unconscious on the ground with a nosebleed. He's the 3rd Hokage, yet he got caught off guard by a jutsu like this. That's because it's not always about being stronger, but having the right jutsu in your arsenal.
Plus, this jutsu doesn't work on every male in the manga, as you see here when Konohamaru trys to use it on his sensei:



As silly as it sounds, This weak sensei avoided a jutsu that the 3rd Hokage fell prey to. But we all know Hiruzen isn't weak.

So there you have it, sorry it's so long, but I learned that you have really explain things on NB. Also, since Hiruzen knew more jutsu than Harishima, it's very possible he knew a jutsu capable of beating Harishima. No one really knows
 
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