yes so true ppl need to learn to acknoledge the facts just the other day this guy was telling me that edo madara is a clone and not the real madara and he has no proven facts for me I stick with the Anime
[Spoilers] Chapter 585 Tsukiyomi
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MilwaukeegHost
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People seem to go off into their on word and refuse to used anything that resembles logic.
When Sasuke awaken his MS, he recieved Amaterasu and Susanoo, and a unknown genjutsu.Throughout the manga we have seen pages saying the three powers, you must awaken, Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi to get Susanoo, and so on and so forth.Now Sasuke gets three powers when he awoke his MS, and we are trying to dispute what the genjutsu is.A genjutsu we never saw Sasuke used before he awaken his MS?
And you prove that how? Sasuke has the ability to manipulate the black flames of Amaterasu with his other eye, but that isn't a power granted to you by awaken MS, no more than Kotoamatsukami is.The ability to manipulate the black flames is something Sasuke created just like Kotoamatsukami is something Shisui created.And you discredited your own nonsense when you said each eyes has one power.If MS only allows you to have one diiferent power in each eye, how did Shisui manage to have Kotoamatsukami in both his eyes?
You failed kid.
This is actually worth responding to, its the best arguement (but still wrong).
Your right. Shisui did awaken Kotoamatsukami and it is used it both eyes. Your using this as an arguement to say that his KOTO wasnt a MS technique that he inherited when he awakened his MS, just because MS techniques are "supposedly" used by one of the two eyes.
But I need you to think about Itachi. No matter of whether or not its in just one of his eyes, once the Tsukiyomi technique was awakened inside of him he no longer even needed you to look in that "eye" for it to work. He can put you in the genjutsu just by looking at his finger!!! He learned his techniques from Shisui I presume, and if Itachi is able to use is MS without someone looking in a specific "eye" I'm sure Shisui has the same power. Its not LIMITED to use of the one "eye" it is awakened in, FYI.
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MilwaukeegHost
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One more thing.
The anime/manga never says that you need AMATERASU and TSUKUYOMI to awaken Susano'o. It is only said (by Sasuke & Tobi) that MS needs to be awoken in both eyes to possibly awaken the 3rd power, Susano'o. By your words, it would also mean that Shisui has Susano'o just because he awoken his MS eyes, but he is never shown or known to use it. Tobi said that Susano'o is very rare to awaken, even amoung the Uchiha. Be careful of the wording that is used in the Manga and who is actually telling the info, because the Manga is FULL OF LIARS LIKE TOBI. FYI
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Anime actually ****ed up canon quite a few times already ... manga and books are directly from Kishi.yes so true ppl need to learn to acknoledge the facts just the other day this guy was telling me that edo madara is a clone and not the real madara and he has no proven facts for me I stick with the Anime
3rd databook my friend
Let me end this argument right now: Sasuke has Tsukuyomi. You have to have it in order to use Susanoo. Kishi has stated this in the manga. The page where Sasuke says that you need to have double mangekyou is an allusion to both Danzo and Kakashi. How kakashi even got a mangekyou is most likely the product of Kishi trolling us but I digress. Sasuke is too weak at genjutsu to even activate it properly so he most likely uses his own form of Tsukuyomi. No where has Kishi stated that you had to call it the same name and that you had to be proficient in it to call upon Susanoo. Sasuke has Tsukuyomi so you Sasuke haters just have to take the loss on this one.
That's like saying Izuna Uchiha didn't have Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi or Susanoo because we didn't see him using it. We can infer that since Madara and Izuna trained their MS to the point of near blindness that they both had those techniques. Kishi made it very clear that you need double MS to activate Susanoo. Amatrasu and Tsukuyomi are basic techniques that I'm pretty sure all double MS users have. How they develop them is completely up to the person.
What 3rd Databook says, it only stands for Itachi. Madara nor Sasuke hasn't used Tsukiyomi, even though they've already awaken the Susano'o.
Whenever Sasuke uses that Mangekyo genjutsu, they never say that it's Tsukiyomi, but when he uses Amaterasu or Susano'o it's always noted somewhere. Couple examples:
Sasuke using Amaterasu:
Sasuke using Susano'o:
But when he uses his genjutsu:
They're just saying that it's a genjutsu. Also remember what Tobi said about the technique:
''It's a weak genjutsu that doesn't last long'' Peopl, do you even know what is Tsukiyomi? With that technique you can control space, time and objects, Sasuke isn't able to do that with his genjutsu, it doesn't even have a name. Last chapter proved it.
Itachi: ''Tsukiyomi!''
Sasuke: ''Genjutsu sharingan!''
Whenever Sasuke uses that Mangekyo genjutsu, they never say that it's Tsukiyomi, but when he uses Amaterasu or Susano'o it's always noted somewhere. Couple examples:
Sasuke using Amaterasu:
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Sasuke using Susano'o:
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But when he uses his genjutsu:
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They're just saying that it's a genjutsu. Also remember what Tobi said about the technique:
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''It's a weak genjutsu that doesn't last long'' Peopl, do you even know what is Tsukiyomi? With that technique you can control space, time and objects, Sasuke isn't able to do that with his genjutsu, it doesn't even have a name. Last chapter proved it.
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Itachi: ''Tsukiyomi!''
Sasuke: ''Genjutsu sharingan!''
NarutoVsGoku
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can you please tell me where i can see the 3rd Databook... for all i know your accusations could be full of shit
also i made a thread about this and disproved everything in this thread...
also you dont understand that Itachi specifically himself could control space and time. Tobi pointed that out. Danzo pointed that out. but when Sasuke used genjutsu on Bee and Danzo, as you just posted, the background is black and white! that is the characteristic of Tsukiyomi.
even Itachi didnt say Tsukiyomi all the times that he used it. the majority of the times he doesnt even say Tsukiyomi so why do you feel so compelled to have to hear him say it?! Danzo and Tobi are even comparing his jutsu to Itachi Tsukiyomi because its Sasukes version of it.
and Sasuke didnt use Tsukiyomi on C because he wasnt even using MS.
you cant use Sasunoo which is the 3rd power if you first havent used the 2nd power which is Amaterasu, and you cant use the 2nd without using the 1st which is Tsukiyomi.......
my thread explains this all noob.. go educate yourself
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Thank you Natssuu.
Itachi stated it was the third power, but clearly Sasuke's version of genjutsu is different. It's much weaker because it doesn't control time, but it does paralyze his opponent.
As such, I still don't believe that it matches the criteria of being called "Tsukiyomi".
Its clear that genjutsu is a basic sharingan technique, but the Uchiha have developed different skills with different eyes (same bloodline/family within the clan?). This may even indicate that Sasuke and Itachi are part of Madaras immediate family/bloodline.. hawt.
Sasuke will eventually get better and start to call it Tsukiyomi or may even give it another name.
Itachi stated it was the third power, but clearly Sasuke's version of genjutsu is different. It's much weaker because it doesn't control time, but it does paralyze his opponent.
As such, I still don't believe that it matches the criteria of being called "Tsukiyomi".
Its clear that genjutsu is a basic sharingan technique, but the Uchiha have developed different skills with different eyes (same bloodline/family within the clan?). This may even indicate that Sasuke and Itachi are part of Madaras immediate family/bloodline.. hawt.
Sasuke will eventually get better and start to call it Tsukiyomi or may even give it another name.
NarutoKage2
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Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi
The only idiot here is you. Why do you think Danzo said this??:
'Even though you possess the same power your eyes are different.'
Or read this:
'Congratulations on casting an illusion on me, but...'
'That's nothing compared to Itachi's Tsukuyomi, which controls the length of the illusion'.
Danzo clearly states that Sasuke's genjutsu was not Tsukuyomi, noob learn to read.
And before you call others names and tell them to read the manga, you should take your own advice.
Congratulations on humiliating yourself and looking like a retard.
The only idiot here is you. Why do you think Danzo said this??:
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'Even though you possess the same power your eyes are different.'
Or read this:
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'Congratulations on casting an illusion on me, but...'
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'That's nothing compared to Itachi's Tsukuyomi, which controls the length of the illusion'.
Danzo clearly states that Sasuke's genjutsu was not Tsukuyomi, noob learn to read.
And before you call others names and tell them to read the manga, you should take your own advice.
Congratulations on humiliating yourself and looking like a retard.
Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi
You just said that Danzo said "Even though you posses the SAME POWER your eyes are different. That clearly means that they both posses Tsukuyomi but Itachi's is on a whole other level. The pages you just showed us didn't say that they had different powers just that Sasuke's Tsukuyomi was inferior to Itachi's...
Inichi Matsuka
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Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi
Yeah, you continue to believe that. It's never been called Tsukiyomi anywhere in the manga, thus we can use our common sense to declare it is NOT Tsukiyomi that Sasuke uses.
Inichi Matsuka
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Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi
If he can say "Genjutsu Sharingan!" Why wouldn't he say "Tsukuyomi"? Just saying.
Right. Since when has anyone used a jutsu without saying the name of it? If Sasuke had Tsukuyomi, he would have used it and said: "Tsukuyomi!"
If he can say "Genjutsu Sharingan!" Why wouldn't he say "Tsukuyomi"? Just saying.
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thetruth0025
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Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi
Yea sasuke has it but just never calls it out since its not a requirement. I mean when itachi put sasuke and kakashi in it he didn't call it out. Hell his eye didn't even change to MS first lol
Inichi Matsuka
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Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi
But seriously, if Sasuke can say "Genjutsu Sharingan!" why wouldn't he say "Tsukuyomi" if he had it?
Offtopic: Did I kill yet another thread?
Well, how do you know he has it? Itachi (probably not Susano'o, but a thought) might have just transferred Amaterasu and Susano'o to Sasuke. (This part's more plausible) However, he might not have transferred Tsukuyomi to him because his plan was to trap Sasuke under Kotoamatsukami in the future, and if he had Tsukuyomi, there would be a chance of him breaking out of it. Plus, not every Mangekyo Sharingan has Tsukuyomi either, so that's why I say this.
But seriously, if Sasuke can say "Genjutsu Sharingan!" why wouldn't he say "Tsukuyomi" if he had it?
Offtopic: Did I kill yet another thread?
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NarutoVsGoku
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Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi
you telling me to learn to read but nowhere do i see Danzo saying "Sasuke genjutsu was not Tsukiyomi".. follow your own advice you down syndrome baby
go to this thread noob
STFU u bitch.. you quote me and than put it in spoiler... like a bitch
you telling me to learn to read but nowhere do i see Danzo saying "Sasuke genjutsu was not Tsukiyomi".. follow your own advice you down syndrome baby
go to this thread noob
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NarutoKage2
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Re: Sasuke doesn't have Tsukiyomi
Danzo said its nothing like Itachi's tsukuyomi, what do you think that means?
You are a retard.
What does putting up a spoiler have to do with anything?
Danzo said its nothing like Itachi's tsukuyomi, what do you think that means?
You are a retard.
try again, noob. It has'nt been stated anywhere that Sasuke's genjutsu is tsukuyomi. It HAS been stated tho that his genjutsu is 'nothing compared to Itachi's tsukuyomi'.