Why jiraiya > itachi full detailed thread on this subject.

[Owarij]

wow i didnt put in how he gets in sage mode xd i forgot:|

anyways that doesnt matter because i can tell you right now.


point the totsuka sword upwards, he's sending his frog to die

ok and if itachi doesnt notice it? your acting itachi will be completely prepared.

no. he can already be in sage mode by the time him and itachi face off.
going in his frog stomach is too slow? trololololo.. no its not.

your neglecting the fact that maybe ma and pa's frog sound genjutsu can get itachi before itachi gets jman are you not?

no a summoning doesn't have to be their.

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pa does a reverse summoning right here on naruto at the ramen shop

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pa brings him bak at the ramen shop again, tell me where you see another frog summoning at the ramen shop?

easily kill the toad? nope.
ma and pa keep itachi busy while jman is about to use hiding in a frog technique.

how would itachi not realize a giant frog coming downwards? right after jiraya uses a summoning jutsu

Once again, you are severely underestimating HOW fast amaterasu is.. there is no keeping busy once sussano and yata mirror is up... And jiraya is not getting into that frog without getting set ablaze by amaterasu..

And your ENTIRE debate is based on the baseless assumption that Jiraya WOULDN'T have looked into itachi's eyes at the beginning of this fight..
Which is what you are totally avoiding..

the fact that this fight will end just like kakashi's, orochimaru's and deidara's... genjutsu KO....

 

[Prince Charles]

Quote prince charles: no he doesnt
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jman beats him in taijutsu because of his sage mode
Itachi would still be able to keep up with him, hes more then fast enough

sage mode increases reflexes,durability,strength,and speed
yea true Kabuto had insane reflexes dodging sussannoo arrows

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still Itachi was able to block him like a true boss (i even think he blocked kabutos right hand with his left knee, Itachi is amazing in taijutsu and relfexes, and we all seen Kabutos SM reflexes >J-man SM

itachi beats jman in jutsu's? please...
what? lol , amaterasu , susanoo with a sword that 1 shot seals you + a shield where Jirayia never could break tru no matter what justsu he uses
not to mention izanami...

speed? alright i do agree on that tho but sage mode gives the user sensing abilities so jman will be able to sense danger from itachi
sense danger , lol thats a good one , ofc he will , its a vs fight with 2 people trying to slaughter eachother

itachi would need ms sharigan to beat him? do you know how dum that
sounds?
No he wouldnt need ms , paralyse genjutsu , , cuts of J-mans hand , what jutsu he gonna use with 1 hand?
if he used no ms that meens to sussano,no tykuomi,no amatarsu, those 3 main things are his biggest threat dont underrate jirayaia.
Sorry quote failed and didnt feel like typing everythign again prince charles

itachi can keep up with jman in taijutsu doesn't mean he will beat him in it.

when i say jman beats itachi in jutsu's i dont mean power wise i mean variety.
and we havent even seen jman's whole arsenal.

you want to talk about 1 shotting? jirayia can put his hand on itachi's forehead while their in a taijutsu battle and instantly turn jirayia into frog.

izanami is irrelevant.

sage mode does can sense chakra and danger, the danger part was even mentioned in the manga i just cant find it.

so itachi can beat jirayia witha mere 3 tomeo sharigan now? you totally underestimate jman. :|

 

[Prince Charles]

how would itachi not realize a giant frog coming downwards? right after jiraya uses a summoning jutsu

Once again, you are severely underestimating HOW fast amaterasu is..

im not underestimating its speed, i know its instant. but you can counter it by getting out of the sharigan's sight like raikage did.

im pretty sure jman did some info on it when he sealed in part 1 i meen what purpose does it make to seal up something so dangerous and not to research on it.

 

[Prince Charles]

Links I gave proves that Jiraiya doesnt have such ability.

Lol? If he had it, he could sense that Asura is closing up to him. Thats the point of this ability - you dont have to see the threat to sense it. And I doubt if Asura is faster than Susanoo arrow.

those links did not prove anything IMO.

you proved he was caught off gaurd, he was basically in a cool state analyzing the situation thinking he he some time to plan certain things.

sage naruto wasnt doing so well against pain was he? and hes a perfect sage

 

[silmarill]

I know he could get Jiraiya the same way in a genjutsu before he gets in sm and cut of his hand
He wont be able to do seals anymore

 

[Owarij]

im not underestimating its speed, i know its instant. but you can counter it by getting out of the sharigan's sight like raikage did.

im pretty sure jman did some info on it when he sealed in part 1 i meen what purpose does it make to seal up something so dangerous and not to research on it.

Urm he did research on it but what could he get?
you think there is some book somewhere stating that when a person's eye bleeds amaterasu is going to be cast etc?

Jiraya is no where as fast as raikage v2.. not in sm, and DEFINITELY not in base.... he can't do that.. HE DOESN'T even know how amaterasu works...
As i said, he will die easily from amaterasu of tsukyomi..

 

[Scorpio0Pharaoh0Titan]

Jiraiya wins this. Not going to explain myself. Go look at posts from 2009.

 

[Prince Charles]

Urm he did research on it but what could he get?
you think there is some book somewhere stating that when a person's eye bleeds amaterasu is going to be cast etc?

Jiraya is no where as fast as raikage v2.. not in sm, and DEFINITELY not in base.... he can't do that.. HE DOESN'T even know how amaterasu works...
As i said, he will die easily from amaterasu of tsukyomi..

what could he get? what kind of question is that? :|
ways to counter it?

''you think there is some book somewhere stating that when a person's eye bleeds amaterasu is going to be cast etc?'' how we are suppose to know that? their could be a book on doujutsu techs and its origins can their not?

IMO kakashi and tsunade subordinate even knew about the sage of six paths.

straight from the third databook ''he user gains the ability to sense chakra around them.

isnt amaterasu chakra based?
so logically speaking shouldnt he be able to sense it ?

 

[sunnex]

the fight is hard to determine

 

[Prince Charles]

I know he could get Jiraiya the same way in a genjutsu before he gets in sm and cut of his hand
He wont be able to do seals anymore

no. you do know your basically saying jman wins this.

if he doesnt use ms that meens no sussano,no tyukuomyi( big factor) and no amatarsu

you think he can just beat him with a 3tomeo sharigan?

he would have to use ordinary genjutsu against which he can easily break out of with the help and ma and pa.

 

[Bogard]

The main difference between those who Itachi fought before and Jiraya is that they(Kakashi, Orochimaru, Deidara) had no knowledge from the start, when Jiraya has, and will be prepared for it. Kakashi for example was not caught by surprise. He saw it coming but he wanted to compete with it cuz he had no knowledge. But in part2, knowing that he could not compete with Tsukiyomi, he was able to find a strategie to fight and feint Itachi with a kage bunshin. Do you think Kage bunshin is something Jiraya is not capable to do?(He did some against Pain btw). Deidara also had no knowledge the first time, but when he fought Sasuke, you can see he had prepare something against Itachis genjutsu. He trained his left eye.

So people really think that Jiraya with knowledge could not find something to fight Itachi and his genjutsus when Deidara and Kakashi came up quickly with a plan against it?

 

[Turson]

those links did not prove anything IMO.

you proved he was caught off gaurd, he was basically in a cool state analyzing the situation thinking he he some time to plan certain things.

sage naruto wasnt doing so well against pain was he? and hes a perfect sage

Only, with sensing abilities Jiraiya wouldnt be caught off guard.

About bolded part, thats becuase Shinra Tensei and Chibaku Tensei affects the target instantly. They are not projectiles made of chakra, but physical forces.

 

[Owarij]

^lol kakashi and oro has more knowledge on itachi than jiraya would ever have..
kakashi was in anbu with him, orochimaru was in akatsuki with him and fought him already

straight from the third databook ''he user gains the ability to sense chakra around them.

isnt amaterasu chakra based?
so logically speaking shouldnt he be able to sense it ?

? jiraya can't sense chakra in base.. we're talking about amaterasuing him in base not sm

and amaterasu appears on the person so no he cant react to it like that.. however if he knew the tell tales of amaterasu aka the change in air pressure which sensors can feel, he would be able to dodge..

but he doesn't know those things are atrributed to amaterasu.. so far only nagato and zetsu knew..

 

[Prince Charles]

Only, with sensing abilities Jiraiya wouldnt be caught off guard.

About bolded part, thats becuase Shinra Tensei and Chibaku Tensei affects the target instantly. They are not projectiles made of chakra, but physical forces.

i cant counter that

btw +rep you've been providing good arguments and comebacks

 

[ChiefHermit]

Jiraiya's speed is nothing compared to V2 Raikage.

wait. what?

that was about escaping sharingan that some guy mentioned.

"You can't escape from the Sharingans sight by just running away, this is bullshit."

which is the real bullshit (the not being able to escape sharingan)
lmao fail

 

[Bogard]

^lol kakashi and oro has more knowledge on itachi than jiraya would ever have..
kakashi was in anbu with him, orochimaru was in akatsuki with him and fought him already

Don't forget Jiraya is a spy. One of the best in the mangas if not the best after Kabuto. Having informations about others is primordial when you're a spy, and he was the one who knew all what happened about Akatsuki and his members. It's not for nothing that he wanted to train Naruto against genjutsus. Yes Kakashi, Itachi, and Oro were in Anbu, but not the same branches. Itachi and Oro were the one who were in the root. Kakashi wasn't there. And for Oro and Itachi. Were they in the root at the same moment? That's the problem. Oro left the village long time ago. At that time Itachi was a baby xd probably the same age with Kabuto. So he could not know some things like that.

 

[Kountchocula]

Itachi and Kisame ran when J-man showed up the first time they came to the leaf and tried to get Naruto. Even Itachi agrees that Jman is boss

 

[Owarij]

Don't forget Jiraya is a spy. One of the best in the mangas if not the best after Kabuto. Having informations about others is primordial when you're a spy, and he was the one who knew all what happened about Akatsuki and his members. It's not for nothing that he wanted to train Naruto against genjutsus. Yes Kakashi, Itachi, and Oro were in Anbu, but not the same branches. Itachi and Oro were the one who were in the root. Kakashi wasn't there. And for Oro and Itachi. Were they in the root at the same moment? That's the problem. Oro left the village long time ago. At that time Itachi was a baby xd probably the same age with Kabuto. So he could not know some things like that.

itachi wasn't in root, he was anbu..

oro was in root.., when Oro left the village, itachi was about 5

why did he want to train naruto against genjutsu? because everyone knows sharingan users use genjutsu, and naruto simply had no counters for it.. it was to help him as a shinobi..

This just proves that jiraya would look at his eyes... If jiraya truly wanted to train naruto to beat itachi or a sharingan user.. he would train him to fight without making eye contact.. Instead he taught him what orochimaru tried to do.. and failed..
Oro has much more info on itachi than jiraya

Oro has researched uchihas and sharingan his entire life.. he even discovered what goes beyond sharingan..... made theories on madara etc... he knows that hashirama's dna boosts uchiha powers.. all of that.. and you dare say jiraya knows more ? blashphemy...

In the end, with all jiraya's "spying" , Kabuto gave kakashi etc, a full detailed analysis etc of ALL the akatsuki members.. names, abilities etc.. thanx to kabuto.. not jiraya.. they didn't have that info before..

 

[Green Hood]

We already know Jiraiya would beat Itachi.

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

I actually read this all lol His genjutsu could be countered by Ma and Pa although im sure Jman could outun Amateseru look how he ran vs Pain Summon he should of become a athelete he wasnt even in sage mode.Jiraya has nothing that would break his susanoo so unless Jiraya can Outlast him Itachi would win.

Not completely impossible for jiriaya to outlast Itachi. Jman has a lot of chakra, probably a decent amount more than itachi, though itachi still has a ton. honestly idk who would win so i'll just say a draw good thread tho +REP