Minato more talened then Sauske and Itachi

[Dantee]

Sharigan = more talent

 

[Bogard]

Sharigan = more talent

Like Obito?

 

[huzaifa555]

Sharigan = more talent

MS and EMS= Here let make you most one of the best shinobi.

 

[Owarij]

Nope, Minato had lots of talent, more than most , but you have to look at the age..

According to the databook
"Though itachi has few feats, the real indication of his skill is shown by who he can be compared to as such a young age.."

Itachi was only 11 and was defeating sannin, at age 17 capable of defeating kakashi and other kage level ninja... minato was around 28 or so , and wasn't in his prime , If you were to compare who has more talent, Itachi is progressing far faster at a younger age than him by far..


Itachi (21) is debatable stronger than Minato who was in his upper 20's..
Now give itachi 6 years training time to reach Minato's age, who will stomp who?

Sharingan does not make people strong, obito and those noob police officers are clear examples of that...

The true people with most talent in this manga are sasuke and naruto.. at age 16 they are capable of defeating almost everyone in the manga..

 

[saskue base]

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Alos i think the Uchias are strong mostly due to their eyes and Minato has no Kekki Genkai.

As I recall sasuke was the most talented of his class and was the best the don't become good because of their eyes kakashi got his eye from obito and kskashi improved so much after getting it so did sasuke uchiha are talented every once in a while you will get a outstanding uchiha

 

[Sasunarufan13]

Actually there is no proof to support that claim

There is also no proof that supports he is undefeatable

Being talented doesn't always mean you're the strongest. We're saying that Minato is the most talented ever, not the strongest. So i don't know why you begin your comparison with Itachi and Sasuke in terms of power.:sy:

Being talented means in most cases you're also stronger. That's just how I see it.

*Sigh* I never said he was more powerful than them, only more talented. Talent doesn't equate to being more powerful, which you don't seem to get.

Anyway you're free to believe what you want, but my opinion is that Minato's more talented than both of them. He didn't have the advantages of predicting moves, seeing chakra, and copying moves like Itachi and Sasuke did and yet he was still said to have talent seen once a decade at best.

That's shown even more considering he developed FTG and rasengan by himself.

It just seems weird to me that just because the Uchihas have a slight advantage due to their Sharingan that they are not as talented as Minato. I admit that he invented some jutsus, but he didn't even complete the Rasengan. Jiraiya himself said that he didn't manage to complete it. The way I see it, he created the theory and some kind of basis but he didn't complete the jutsu. I consider an invented jutsu something that is completed, not only half created.
And like I said earlier in my post: it could be that the Uchiha brothers still would outsmart him in a battle with their talents. We will never know that, because it won't ever happen.

 

[huzaifa555]

As I recall sasuke was the most talented of his class and was the best the don't become good because of their eyes kakashi got his eye from obito and kskashi improved so much after getting it so did sasuke uchiha are talented every once in a while you will get a outstanding uchiha

All 3 of them are talented but those two are mainly taleneted and strong because of their eyes. Btw all Uchias are above average.

 

[Memoria]

I agree with you, he is more talented.

And to the people who say it was Jiraiya's opinion, you people don't understand anything, what Jiraiya said is what Kishi was trying to tell us, there's no such thing as someone's opinion in the manga, it's all Kishi's doing.

 

[silmarill]

There is also no proof that supports he is undefeatable

Being talented means in most cases you're also stronger. That's just how I see it.


It just seems weird to me that just because the Uchihas have a slight advantage due to their Sharingan that they are not as talented as Minato. I admit that he invented some jutsus, but he didn't even complete the Rasengan. Jiraiya himself said that he didn't manage to complete it. The way I see it, he created the theory and some kind of basis but he didn't complete the jutsu. I consider an invented jutsu something that is completed, not only half created.
And like I said earlier in my post: it could be that the Uchiha brothers still would outsmart him in a battle with their talents. We will never know that, because it won't ever happen.

By not completing rasengan he meant: Minato first intention was to add an element in rasengan but due to his premature dead he never could finish that
its not like his rasengan is incomplete

 

[huzaifa555]

Nope, Minato had lots of talent, more than most , but you have to look at the age..

According to the databook
"Though itachi has few feats, the real indication of his skill is shown by who he can be compared to as such a young age.."

Itachi was only 11 and was defeating sannin, at age 17 capable of defeating kakashi and other kage level ninja... minato was around 28 or so , and wasn't in his prime , If you were to compare who has more talent, Itachi is progressing far faster at a younger age than him by far..


Itachi (21) is debatable stronger than Minato who was in his upper 20's..
Now give itachi 6 years training time to reach Minato's age, who will stomp who?

Sharingan does not make people strong, obito and those noob police officers are clear examples of that...

The true people with most talent in this manga are sasuke and naruto.. at age 16 they are capable of defeating almost everyone in the manga..

We do not know alot about minato but we know what we saw of him and he took out an entire team of Jounin and saved Kushina from the Cloud jounin in his teens.

 

[-Vegeta-]

There is also no proof that supports he is undefeatable

Being talented means in most cases you're also stronger. That's just how I see it.


It just seems weird to me that just because the Uchihas have a slight advantage due to their Sharingan that they are not as talented as Minato. I admit that he invented some jutsus, but he didn't even complete the Rasengan. Jiraiya himself said that he didn't manage to complete it. The way I see it, he created the theory and some kind of basis but he didn't complete the jutsu. I consider an invented jutsu something that is completed, not only half created.
And like I said earlier in my post: it could be that the Uchiha brothers still would outsmart him in a battle with their talents. We will never know that, because it won't ever happen.

Predicting moves, copying moves, and seeing chakra isn't a simple slight advantage, it's a huge advantage. Would Sasuke have been able to dodge A and Bee had it not been for his sharingan prediction? No. Would Kakashi be as powerful if he wasn't able to copy tons of moves with his sharingan? No. It's definitely more than a slight advantage.

So what if he didn't complete it. He still managed to invent a very powerful A rank jutsu and had he not done that then there would be no rasengan to complete. It's much harder to invent a jutsu from nothing than it is to improve upon one that is already made.

Talent and intellect are two different things.

 

[Bogard]

Nope, Minato had lots of talent, more than most , but you have to look at the age..

According to the databook
"Though itachi has few feats, the real indication of his skill is shown by who he can be compared to as such a young age.."

Itachi was only 11 and was defeating sannin, at age 17 capable of defeating kakashi and other kage level ninja... minato was around 28 or so , and wasn't in his prime , If you were to compare who has more talent, Itachi is progressing far faster at a younger age than him by far..


Itachi (21) is debatable stronger than Minato who was in his upper 20's..
Now give itachi 6 years training time to reach Minato's age, who will stomp who?

Sharingan does not make people strong, obito and those noob police officers are clear examples of that...

The true people with most talent in this manga are sasuke and naruto.. at age 16 they are capable of defeating almost everyone in the manga..

Like i've said on the other topic, he was at least 13 when he defeated Oro not 11. When he entered Akatsuki and met Kisame it was after the Uchiwa massacre(Kisame talked about that) and at the Uchiwa massacre, he was already 13. Against Kakashi he was 18 not 17.

 

[Sasunarufan13]

I agree with you, he is more talented.

And to the people who say it was Jiraiya's opinion, you people don't understand anything, what Jiraiya said is what Kishi was trying to tell us, there's no such thing as someone's opinion in the manga, it's all Kishi's doing.

A character's opinion isn't always the same as that of the author. One can write a book about a murdering sociapath and let the killer say that murdering someone is justified for that and that reason, but that doesn't mean that that is the same opinion that the author shares. So be careful with that.

By not completing rasengan he meant: Minato first intention was to add an element in rasengan but due to his premature dead he never could finish that
its not like his rasengan is incomplete

I consider his rasengan incomplete because he didn't finish it like he wanted to. Incomplete means unfinished - that's the definition I use.

 

[Dantee]

Like Obito?

Exactly. Look how much stronger Obito got. Isn't talent defined as a special natural ability. The sharigan = talent. Sasuke and Itachi were considered talent before sharigan. So talent + talent = more talent. :shrug:

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

There is also no proof that supports he is undefeatable

Nope, you can't prove that he can be defeated so if someone says he is unbeatable then you can't debunk that claim.

 

[silmarill]

A character's opinion isn't always the same as that of the author. One can write a book about a murdering sociapath and let the killer say that murdering someone is justified for that and that reason, but that doesn't mean that that is the same opinion that the author shares. So be careful with that.


I consider his rasengan incomplete because he didn't finish it like he wanted to. Incomplete means unfinished - that's the definition I use.

yes ok , but then u shouldnt say "his" rasengan
Cause all rasengans are an incomplete technique

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

Nope, Minato had lots of talent, more than most , but you have to look at the age..

According to the databook
"Though itachi has few feats, the real indication of his skill is shown by who he can be compared to as such a young age.."

Itachi was only 11 and was defeating sannin, at age 17 capable of defeating kakashi and other kage level ninja... minato was around 28 or so , and wasn't in his prime , If you were to compare who has more talent, Itachi is progressing far faster at a younger age than him by far..


Itachi (21) is debatable stronger than Minato who was in his upper 20's..
Now give itachi 6 years training time to reach Minato's age, who will stomp who?

Sharingan does not make people strong, obito and those noob police officers are clear examples of that...

The true people with most talent in this manga are sasuke and naruto.. at age 16 they are capable of defeating almost everyone in the manga..

Age =/= Talent

 

[Sasunarufan13]

Nope, you can't prove that he can be defeated so if someone says he is unbeatable then you can't debunk that claim.

You just contradicted yourself. I can't prove that he can be defeated, no that's true, but you also can't prove that he can't be defeated. Why? Because he's dead.
And there's nowhere in the manga or the data books that state he's undefeatable.

 

[Rapid]

The Uchiha's will always be more talented

 

[Bogard]

Exactly. Look how much stronger Obito got. Isn't talent defined as a special natural ability. The sharigan = talent. Sasuke and Itachi were considered talent before sharigan. So talent + talent = more talent. :shrug:

Wrong. They were considered talented "thanks" to the sharingan.