Why didn't Kakashi ever get a chance to awaken ems?

[KageZulu]

This is my point. If kakashi was to awaken ems via sasukes eye, he would later on take another sharingan eye frm tobis eye lab. Then he would eventually awaken ms and walaah. Theres no restrictions if you have tsukyomi or anyone of them. Ems would never cause him eyestrain since hits the 'eternal light'. Ems awakening also has no restrictions.

Shisui's eyes were awakened, it is in Danzou, it needed time to recover after use, so there's some chakra draining restriction happening some where... and he had Hashirama's DNA

 

[The Riddlerr]

Not really. Let me correct you. Obito gave kakshi his sharingan and that too was in its 2 tomoe form, it wasn't an ms heck it was far frm developing into that state. Its unknown how kakashi awakened his ms, which means he can still go blind. The ems is an improved version of the ms thats able to prevent the user from going blind.

I know he was given a 2-tomoe Sharingan, I read the same Manga... But the principle should still apply. A transplanted Mangekyou Sharingan does not send someone into blindness. A transplanted Sharingan is never deactivated, this is why Kakashi does, and Danzo used to, keep their Sharingan hidden.

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

Read post no. 30

I'm through with having to repeat myself.

No need for me to read anything else.Your post was stupid from the beginning.You simply jump from one ridiculous thought after another once one is proven to be impossible.First you wanted to give Kakashi powers that he couldn't obtain with one MS eye (Susanoo, Amaterasu ), then when that was shown to be stupid, you change to Kakashi taking Sasuke's eyes as if that was possible.

This is my point. If kakashi was to awaken ems via sasukes eye, he would later on take another sharingan eye frm tobis eye lab. Then he would eventually awaken ms and walaah. Theres no restrictions if you have tsukyomi or anyone of them. Ems would never cause him eyestrain since hits the 'eternal light'. Ems awakening also has no restrictions.

Furthering the stupid, EMS can only be awaken by implanting the eyes of a close relative (brother,sister,etc).Kakashi isn't a Uchiha, so that theory is officially dead.Saying there wouldn't be a restriction is a foolish assumption at best.There aren't any restrictions for an Uchiha, because the sharingan in general is a Uchiha bloodline trait.Kakashi is genetically unfitted to have the Sharingan which is why he gets tire so fast from using it, and end up in the hospital when he uses it for an extended period.Just assuming in some fairy tale way that Kakashi could implant an Uchiha's EMS eyes into his own eyes and it would work just like it would for Sasuke is stupid.There is a reason why Sasuke was able to adapt to Itachi's eyes, and that reason being they share the similar dna, being they are brothers.For all we know, Itachi's eyes would cease functioning if they were taken out of Sasuke and implanted into someone without similar dna.

 

[Admiral213]

Kakashi can't learn Susanoo, because that requires two eyes. And I doubt that he'll ever awaken Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu. Even if he did awaken one, he couldn't use the other. Plus, EMS usually requires a close sibling, and Kakashi has no relation with the Uchihas. So no.

Thank you for pointing out the facts from the manga.

 

[Sasuk3Uchiha]

You need to read nd analyze my previous messages. You can do this by checking the earlier posts on this thread. Peace.

Well, I was hoping I wouldn't need to elaborate further, but since you insist, very well. Let's go over some of your points.

Sasukes of course, its obvious. He was no where near defeating itachi especially when itachi caught him in tsukyomi.

Based on your later post, I take it you're referring to 'Taka' Sasuke (Akatsuki Cloak) after he awakened his MS. However, simply taking his eye isn't as easy as you make it sound, especially when at that point, Sasuke was either on par with or had already surpassed Kakashi in terms power and stamina.

But the ems would help him nd provide him with the benefits, it wouldn;t entirely be a struggle and a burden for him.

The EMS would provide Kakashi with a major boost, in terms of power. However, that power comes with a price: greater expenditure of chakra. The EMS doesn't extend one's chakra supply to near-infinite levels; it simply grants the user access to more powerful techniques. And at this point, it should be clear that the more powerful techniques will demand more chakra. Likewise, it should also be clear that Kakashi doesn't possess the largest chakra reserves, especially compared to Naruto and Sasuke - at best, he probably has about the same reserves as Itachi while he was alive (perhaps a bit more). Seeing as Kakashi could only use Kamui twice before having difficulties walking/running, I think its safe to say that the amount of chakra required to make use of EMS techniques, especially in rapid succession, would be more of a hindrance than a benefit to him,though they would be powerful.

This is my point. If kakashi was to awaken ems via sasukes eye, he would later on take another sharingan eye frm tobis eye lab. Then he would eventually awaken ms and walaah. Theres no restrictions if you have tsukyomi or anyone of them. Ems would never cause him eyestrain since hits the 'eternal light'. Ems awakening also has no restrictions.

You posted a link on the MS via Narutopedia, but it seems you skipped a rather important step - donor compatibility. To take an eye from Sasuke, and then some other random Uchiha member doesn't really do any justice to compatibility, does it? In the worst case scenario, seeing as Kakashi isn't from the Uchiha clan, and thus possesses no siblings, the transplant may not even be successful. Also, how Kakashi awakened his MS hasn't been expanded upon yet; furthermore, when he uses Kamui, there is no excessive strain or blood seen from his eyes (unlike with Sasuke and Itachi); therefore, it could be concluded that his eyesight isn't fading, though using the technique does exhaust him.

Ems has not limits, hence its name..'eternal' mangekyo sharingan.

Yes, we're all aware of the name. 'Eternal' in that sense signifies the fact that the eyes will never lose their light (go blind). That doesn't mean that the new techniques and power that have been granted to the user won't require greater chakra to use/maintain in battle, so don't get mixed up here.

Sorry i meant in period between itachi's death and danzo's fight. So basically when sasuek awakened his ms. During their confrontation, kakashi could've used a shadow to distract sasuke while he could've done the silent killing technique and somehow stolen one of his eyes. Sasuke was almost out of stamina and chakra anyway. It was kakashi's chance.

Sasuke was about 80% blind at that time, and still managed to push Kakashi to the edge - Kakashi may have joined the battle at 100%, but after using Kamui twice, he'd sunk down to around the same level as Sasuke (Stamina/Chakra-wise), since he could barely run to save Sakura. Also, he may have been weakened, but Sasuke's intellect was still very much intact and he wouldn't have made things easy for Kakashi at all, who was already weakened, so again, don't make things sound easier than they actually are or would be.

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If you read on, its emphaszing the fact that kakashi has since over time improved in controling his sharingan through practice and experinece. It also states that kakashi can activate his ms multiple times in a day without showing immediate chakra drain and fatigue after quick usage. Therefore he is able to sustain the power and abilities of the ems.

You seem to have altered the text to suit your statement, so here's the actual information:

"Kakashi Hatake developed his own Mangekyō Sharingan during the time-skip. How he developed this is still unclear. With his Mangekyō Sharingan, Kakashi can use a space–time ninjutsu called Kamui to send a target to another dimension. The attack requires considerable effort to aim with precision, leaving Kakashi's chakra significantly drained; considering that Kakashi is a non-Uchiha, the chakra drain is more significant to him than the other users of the Mangekyō Sharingan. When he first used the technique, he collapses after using it three times in a single day and had poor control at aiming it. However, after much practice with his Mangekyō, he can control the size of it to only affect the target and use precise aim to hit speeding targets. He can also use it twice in quick succession, without showing immediate chakra drain and fatigue, to counter Sasuke Uchiha's Susanoo arrows."

Taken from the same link you posted - Kakashi can only use Kamui 2 times in rapid succession without showing symptoms of fatigue - Two Times. Not multiple times within the same day, as you stated. As of the current arc, I'd assume Kakashi could use Kamui 3-4 times without showing signs of fatigue (4 times is a bit much actually, but I'm feeling generous); however, during his match with Sasuke, 2 was the limit while he was at 100%. While he may be able to make use of the EMS (were he to gain it), he certainly wouldn't be able to sustain it very long, in comparison to Sasuke and Madara, who boast greater chakra reserves, and stamina. They're also actually from the clan, so using EMS techniques won't cost them as nearly as much chakra as it would Kakashi.

 

[ClydeFrog]

Nothing left to post here, so here's my two cents, Kakashi rocks

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

No need for me to read anything else.Your post was stupid from the beginning.You simply jump from one ridiculous thought after another once one is proven to be impossible.First you wanted to give Kakashi powers that he couldn't obtain with one MS eye (Susanoo, Amaterasu ), then when that was shown to be stupid, you change to Kakashi taking Sasuke's eyes as if that was possible.

It was possible many times throughout the series where kakashi could've taken sasuek's eye.

Furthering the stupid, EMS can only be awaken by implanting the eyes of a close relative (brother,sister,etc).Kakashi isn't a Uchiha, so that theory is officially dead.Saying there wouldn't be a restriction is a foolish assumption at best.There aren't any restrictions for an Uchiha, because the sharingan in general is a Uchiha bloodline trait.Kakashi is genetically unfitted to have the Sharingan which is why he gets tire so fast from using it, and end up in the hospital when he uses it for an extended period.Just assuming in some fairy tale way that Kakashi could implant an Uchiha's EMS eyes into his own eyes and it would work just like it would for Sasuke is stupid.There is a reason why Sasuke was able to adapt to Itachi's eyes, and that reason being they share the similar dna, being they are brothers.For all we know, Itachi's eyes would cease functioning if they were taken out of Sasuke and implanted into someone without similar dna.

How do yuo explain kakashi awakening his ms then, smart ass?
Like i said before kakashi has since been training and gaining experience so he is able to use the ms much better than he used to. I think the point abt the ems made by itachi was just a vague statement just to fetch the point to sasuke how he wants to tke his eyes, do you understand?
Although you are partly right i have to admit.

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

Well, I was hoping I wouldn't need to elaborate further, but since you insist, very well. Let's go over some of your points.



Based on your later post, I take it you're referring to 'Taka' Sasuke (Akatsuki Cloak) after he awakened his MS. However, simply taking his eye isn't as easy as you make it sound, especially when at that point, Sasuke was either on par with or had already surpassed Kakashi in terms power and stamina.

Its possible for kakashi(i see you're underestimating kakashi's abilities). Sasuke was no where near surpassing kakashi's abilities. The only reason kakashi diddn't defeat sasuek was because he was hesitant and didn;t want to harm sasuke.

The EMS would provide Kakashi with a major boost, in terms of power. However, that power comes with a price: greater expenditure of chakra. The EMS doesn't extend one's chakra supply to near-infinite levels; it simply grants the user access to more powerful techniques. And at this point, it should be clear that the more powerful techniques will demand more chakra. Likewise, it should also be clear that Kakashi doesn't possess the largest chakra reserves, especially compared to Naruto and Sasuke - at best, he probably has about the same reserves as Itachi while he was alive (perhaps a bit more). Seeing as Kakashi could only use Kamui twice before having difficulties walking/running, I think its safe to say that the amount of chakra required to make use of EMS techniques, especially in rapid succession, would be more of a hindrance than a benefit to him,though they would be powerful.

Kakashi could've gained extra chakra throuhg various ways including tailed beast chakra and learning senjutsu. He could've also used yamato somehoew for eventually obtaining wood release. Seeing as though you've compared kakashi's chakra reserve with itachi's or better. Ems doesn't seem a problem for kakashi then because itachi had exceptional chakra and almost awakened ems if he wanted to.


You posted a link on the MS via Narutopedia, but it seems you skipped a rather important step - donor compatibility. To take an eye from Sasuke, and then some other random Uchiha member doesn't really do any justice to compatibility, does it? In the worst case scenario, seeing as Kakashi isn't from the Uchiha clan, and thus possesses no siblings, the transplant may not even be successful. Also, how Kakashi awakened his MS hasn't been expanded upon yet; furthermore, when he uses Kamui, there is no excessive strain or blood seen from his eyes (unlike with Sasuke and Itachi); therefore, it could be concluded that his eyesight isn't fading, though using the technique does exhaust him.

This partly contradicts the fact about how kakashi awakened his ms. Donor compatibility seems useless to him now doesn;t it. Though I agree how the ops can eventually exhaust him but this can be overcome with through consecutive training and experience.

Yes, we're all aware of the name. 'Eternal' in that sense signifies the fact that the eyes will never lose their light (go blind). That doesn't mean that the new techniques and power that have been granted to the user won't require greater chakra to use/maintain in battle, so don't get mixed up here.

I understand nd thanx for pointing tht out.

Sasuke was about 80% blind at that time, and still managed to push Kakashi to the edge - Kakashi may have joined the battle at 100%, but after using Kamui twice, he'd sunk down to around the same level as Sasuke (Stamina/Chakra-wise), since he could barely run to save Sakura. Also, he may have been weakened, but Sasuke's intellect was still very much intact and he wouldn't have made things easy for Kakashi at all, who was already weakened, so again, don't make things sound easier than they actually are or would be.

I said this before, if kakashi wanted to he would've defeated sasuke but didn't want to 'cause he was hesitant nd just didn't want to harm him. Also when did kakashi use the kamui around that time??

You seem to have altered the text to suit your statement, so here's the actual information:

"Kakashi Hatake developed his own Mangekyō Sharingan during the time-skip. How he developed this is still unclear. With his Mangekyō Sharingan, Kakashi can use a space–time ninjutsu called Kamui to send a target to another dimension. The attack requires considerable effort to aim with precision, leaving Kakashi's chakra significantly drained; considering that Kakashi is a non-Uchiha, the chakra drain is more significant to him than the other users of the Mangekyō Sharingan. When he first used the technique, he collapses after using it three times in a single day and had poor control at aiming it. However, after much practice with his Mangekyō, he can control the size of it to only affect the target and use precise aim to hit speeding targets. He can also use it twice in quick succession, without showing immediate chakra drain and fatigue, to counter Sasuke Uchiha's Susanoo arrows."

Taken from the same link you posted - Kakashi can only use Kamui 2 times in rapid succession without showing symptoms of fatigue - Two Times. Not multiple times within the same day, as you stated. As of the current arc, I'd assume Kakashi could use Kamui 3-4 times without showing signs of fatigue (4 times is a bit much actually, but I'm feeling generous); however, during his match with Sasuke, 2 was the limit while he was at 100%. While he may be able to make use of the EMS (were he to gain it), he certainly wouldn't be able to sustain it very long, in comparison to Sasuke and Madara, who boast greater chakra reserves, and stamina. They're also actually from the clan, so using EMS techniques won't cost them as nearly as much chakra as it would Kakashi.

His kamui is still very effective although he is only able to use it 2-3 times at a time. His kamui can't be blocked or stopped. During the fight he could've used kamui once to warp away the susano arrows nd kamui second time to move sasuke in another dimension. That would've been sufficent.
Thanx for your time and effort anyway. Much appreciated.

 

[The Riddlerr]

Itachi is from the Uchiha Clan, so the Sharingan's effects on him aren't nearly as bad as they are on Kakashi. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that Itachi has no side effects from using his 3-Tomoe Sharingan... Unlike Kakashi whom needs to be hospitilized for numerous days after using his in a battle.

 

[naruto005]

kakashi cannot is not an uchiha! so he cant have the same powers that are granted due to their dna.:flaw:

 

[Sasuk3Uchiha]

Its possible for kakashi(i see you're underestimating kakashi's abilities). Sasuke was no where near surpassing kakashi's abilities. The only reason kakashi diddn't defeat sasuek was because he was hesitant and didn;t want to harm sasuke.

Believe me, I am in no way underestimating Kakashi's abilities; I'm aware that he's an extremely powerful ninja. However, if Kakashi himself admitted during Naruto's use of Rasenshuriken against Kakazu that he had already been surpassed by him (and that it's almost time for Naruto's generation to take over), how much more should that go for Sasuke, who had awakened his MS and was roughly on the same level as Naruto in terms of power? [Also, Sasuke may have surpassed Naruto (Rasenshuriken) at that point - Its only after Naruto gained access to Sage Mode that most people would agree him and Sasuke [MS] were on equal terms of strength].

Kakashi could've gained extra chakra throuhg various ways including tailed beast chakra and learning senjutsu. He could've also used yamato somehoew for eventually obtaining wood release. Seeing as though you've compared kakashi's chakra reserve with itachi's or better. Ems doesn't seem a problem for kakashi then because itachi had exceptional chakra and almost awakened ems if he wanted to.

No, No, No. Kakashi would require a tailed beast in the first place, which he doesn't possess. Also, to learn senjutsu, Kakashi would need to have an affinity for summoning Frogs/Toads, which he does not, seeing as he already made a contract with Nin-Ken (dogs), so learning Senjutsu it out of the question. Not because he couldn't learn it at all (I'm sure he could if it was possible), but because he doesn't meet any of the requirements (mainly, having a contract with Frogs/Toads). I won't even touch the whole exploiting Yamato segment; Kakashi is a ninja of honor, and would never stoop to the level of taking his comrade's power to use as his own - seeing as you seem like a fan of Kakashi's, I expected that you of all people would realize that. Also, I'm not sure if you've read the 3rd Databook on Itachi and Kakashi, but as I speculated, Kakashi's stamina [which is converted into chakra] isn't that much better than Itachi's - Itachi had a 2.5 in stamina, while Kakashi had a 3. In fact, Naruto had surpassed both Itachi and Kakashi in stamina from the 1st Databook, which was still Part I of the series, and Sasuke surpassed them in the 3rd Databook as well. Yes, Itachi could've awakened EMS if he wanted, but that doesn't mean that his chakra reserves were extremely high - the fact is, they weren't. In fact, just comparing Itachi and Sasuke's use of their MS techniques should be proof of that. Using Tsukuyomi, and Amaterasu during his return to Konoha in Part I was so exhaustive that Itachi was forced to deactivate his regular Sharingan after he and Kisame escaped. Likewise, using those techniques once each (in addition to Susano'o) against Sasuke resulted in his death (I'm well aware of the fact that he was severely ill and near death, but from Part I to Part II, using his MS techniques was still quite a chore for him, because he didn't have larger chakra reserves. Sasuke, on the other hand, has used his MS techniques recklessly and consecutively, as seen in his battles against the Raikage, the rest of the Kage, and Danzo in addition to other chakra-taxing techniques (i.e. Chidori) and was able to keep it up for a significant time before getting exhausted. Both Kakashi & Itachi couldn't keep up with that, because they don't have the same chakra reserves, which is what I'm trying to show you.

This partly contradicts the fact about how kakashi awakened his ms. Donor compatibility seems useless to him now doesn't it. Though I agree how the ops can eventually exhaust him but this can be overcome with through consecutive training and experience.

Donor compatibility is still important, despite the workings of how Kakashi awakened his MS not being explicitly stated by Kishimoto. If it really was as easy as you believe, Kakashi would have done so already (And I Severely doubt this, because he's not the 'power-craving' type).

I understand nd thanx for pointing tht out.

You're welcome.

I said this before, if kakashi wanted to he would've defeated sasuke but didn't want to 'cause he was hesitant nd just didn't want to harm him. Also when did kakashi use the kamui around that time??

Perhaps. But it's still unlikely. I apologize, after re-watching that episode, I see that Kakashi only used Kamui once, to counter Sasuke's Susano'o arrow - which actually tips things in my favor - Kakashi only used one Earth Release technique and one Kamui against Sasuke, and that had already brought him down to Sasuke's level of exhaustion - additionally, even after Sasuke had lost the majority of his vision, he was still able to keep up with Kakashi in the short Taijutsu clash they had after Naruto arrived, so again - at this point, defeating him was still a difficult task for Kakashi, who'd already been weakened.

His kamui is still very effective although he is only able to use it 2-3 times at a time. His kamui can't be blocked or stopped. During the fight he could've used kamui once to warp away the susano arrows nd kamui second time to move sasuke in another dimension. That would've been sufficent.
Thanx for your time and effort anyway. Much appreciated.

Ah, I never said Kamui wasn't effective, or that it could be blocked. What I am saying though, is that after using it once, Kakashi was either too exhausted, or didn't have the reserves to use it again; otherwise, he would've (though it would've missed, due to Sasuke still being essential to the plot of the story).

 

[kakashi owns all]

well you see he sill soon because there one more uchiha out there obitos brother he had ms and kakashi will find him kill him then get ems :scorps:

Spoiler

i am kidding

 

[The Riddlerr]

Kakashi can't learn Sage Mode, because Pa said you need large Chakra reserves... Which is something both Naruto and Jiraiya have... However Kakashi does not.

 

[soulreaper11]

Not if Kakashi took one eye frm sasuke(he;s only able to take out one anyway). Also sasuek wouldn't die because it would be sme thing as shisui. Shisui never died when danzo took one of his eyes.

:flaw::flaw: he would die danzo had the 1st hokage cell to boost his charka so he did not end up like kakashi after one sharingan move.

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

Believe me, I am in no way underestimating Kakashi's abilities; I'm aware that he's an extremely powerful ninja. However, if Kakashi himself admitted during Naruto's use of Rasenshuriken against Kakazu that he had already been surpassed by him (and that it's almost time for Naruto's generation to take over), how much more should that go for Sasuke, who had awakened his MS and was roughly on the same level as Naruto in terms of power? [Also, Sasuke may have surpassed Naruto (Rasenshuriken) at that point - Its only after Naruto gained access to Sage Mode that most people would agree him and Sasuke [MS] were on equal terms of strength].


Kakashi was almost on the sme level as itachi. Itachi was just about better than sasuke nd naruto. Clearly kakashi was being modest 'cause thats his type. For naruto nd sasuke comparison. Naruto had the edge frm the start thanx to the kyubi. Sasuke had the edge over naruto after he chnged into the curse mode thanx to oroshimaru. Naruto cme back to his higher rank after learning sennin(sage) mode. Only now sasuke is equal to or maybe has the edge thanks to the ems.

No, No, No. Kakashi would require a tailed beast in the first place, which he doesn't possess. Also, to learn senjutsu, Kakashi would need to have an affinity for summoning Frogs/Toads, which he does not, seeing as he already made a contract with Nin-Ken (dogs), so learning Senjutsu it out of the question. Not because he couldn't learn it at all (I'm sure he could if it was possible), but because he doesn't meet any of the requirements (mainly, having a contract with Frogs/Toads). I won't even touch the whole exploiting Yamato segment; Kakashi is a ninja of honor, and would never stoop to the level of taking his comrade's power to use as his own - seeing as you seem like a fan of Kakashi's, I expected that you of all people would realize that. Also, I'm not sure if you've read the 3rd Databook on Itachi and Kakashi, but as I speculated, Kakashi's stamina [which is converted into chakra] isn't that much better than Itachi's - Itachi had a 2.5 in stamina, while Kakashi had a 3. In fact, Naruto had surpassed both Itachi and Kakashi in stamina from the 1st Databook, which was still Part I of the series, and Sasuke surpassed them in the 3rd Databook as well. Yes, Itachi could've awakened EMS if he wanted, but that doesn't mean that his chakra reserves were extremely high - the fact is, they weren't. In fact, just comparing Itachi and Sasuke's use of their MS techniques should be proof of that. Using Tsukuyomi, and Amaterasu during his return to Konoha in Part I was so exhaustive that Itachi was forced to deactivate his regular Sharingan after he and Kisame escaped. Likewise, using those techniques once each (in addition to Susano'o) against Sasuke resulted in his death (I'm well aware of the fact that he was severely ill and near death, but from Part I to Part II, using his MS techniques was still quite a chore for him, because he didn't have larger chakra reserves. Sasuke, on the other hand, has used his MS techniques recklessly and consecutively, as seen in his battles against the Raikage, the rest of the Kage, and Danzo in addition to other chakra-taxing techniques (i.e. Chidori) and was able to keep it up for a significant time before getting exhausted. Both Kakashi & Itachi couldn't keep up with that, because they don't have the same chakra reserves, which is what I'm trying to show you.


I understand but i'm sure there still is other ways in which kakashi could improve and develop his chakra reserve. I agree naruto does have better chakra reserve than kakashi nd itachi only because of his bijuu.
Heh, and i;m NOT a huge fan of kakashi's. I admire him jst like i admire: itachi, naruto, shisui, nagato, madara nd other characters. xd I've also noticed the difference between sasuke's nd itachi's fights now. Thanx for that. Also i agree that sasuke has been using his ms techniques consecutively at once but look what that lead him to; blindness. Soon after he had to implant itachi's eyes resulting in ems. Whereas itachi-san used his techniques with intervals. It wasn't long since sasuke awakend his ms nd immediately he awakened the ems. Itachi lasted his ms much longer than sasukes.

Donor compatibility is still important, despite the workings of how Kakashi awakened his MS not being explicitly stated by Kishimoto. If it really was as easy as you believe, Kakashi would have done so already (And I Severely doubt this, because he's not the 'power-craving' type).

I also realise now. If kakashi was the 'power-craving' type he would've implanted sasukes eye long time ago. I see that you yourself are a heavy sasuke fanboy xd

You're welcome.

Perhaps. But it's still unlikely. I apologize, after re-watching that episode, I see that Kakashi only used Kamui once, to counter Sasuke's Susano'o arrow - which actually tips things in my favor - Kakashi only used one Earth Release technique and one Kamui against Sasuke, and that had already brought him down to Sasuke's level of exhaustion - additionally, even after Sasuke had lost the majority of his vision, he was still able to keep up with Kakashi in the short Taijutsu clash they had after Naruto arrived, so again - at this point, defeating him was still a difficult task for Kakashi, who'd already been weakened.


I see. There's no point of me carrying this message on. What could've happened, would've happened but didn't so it all goes down to plot no jutsu i guess. Madara still surpasses sasuke anyway. Kishi himself is overating sasuke. Look how young sasuke is nd has awakened the ems. He couldn't last a year with the normal ms xd. Madara awakened his ems like in his 20s. Thanx again for trying to help me out

 

[MasterofSenjutsu]

Are we still arguing about Kakashi acquiring EMS? I thought we already established that he couldn't.

 

[Dust realese]

Just imagine Kakashi with a ems, he would be more cooler and more powerful eventually surpassing itachi. xd He would have amatersu, kamui, tsukyomi and mabe susano.

Dude in order to get EMS you have to transplant a ms from another person (new here)

 

[MasterofSenjutsu]

Dude in order to get EMS you have to transplant a ms from another person (new here)

Welcome to the Base. And yes, you're right, and I think that in order for it to work, it has to be someone who is a close sibling.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Kakashi is a bawse he can use five elements, no way he could get ems though.

 

[MasterofSenjutsu]

Kakashi is a bawse he can use five elements, no way he could get ems though.

Kakashi cannot use all five elements. Don't know where you got that, but it's wrong.