Re: Hiruzun strongest hokage?

[Owarij]

Re: Hiruzun strongest hokage?

Madara was said to be an immortal and invincible Ninja, so Madara > Rikudo Sennin. It's not like I'm of this opinion but since Kishimoto gave Madara that hype, he is invincible anyways.

Hype is Hype :b.

when was madara called invincible? :S , i know the immortal part, and that's understood why someone would say that... i mean tobi is alive to this day

i only recall itachi and his yata mirror, sussanno beeing called invincible


But i digress, There is a reason the entire Konoha believes that Hiruzen was the strongest hokage, despite Minato ending the fourth war, despite minato defeating kyuubi , They still called him the strongest, god of shinobi , why? we have no idea .. but it has something to do with his prime,

 

[soulless uchiha]

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when was madara called invincible? :S , i know the immortal part, and that's understood why someone would say that... i mean tobi is alive to this day

i only recall itachi and his yata mirror, sussanno beeing called invincible


But i digress, There is a reason the entire Konoha believes that Hiruzen was the strongest hokage, despite Minato ending the fourth war, despite minato defeating kyuubi , They still called him the strongest, god of shinobi , why? we have no idea .. but it has something to do with his prime,

iruka is the one that said the 3rd is the god of shinobi. thats 1 random fodder compared to other ninja. someone in kumo could say that the 3rd raikage was the god of shinobi for all we know

 

[Owarij]

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iruka is the one that said the 3rd is the god of shinobi. thats 1 random fodder compared to other ninja. someone in kumo could say that the 3rd raikage was the god of shinobi for all we know

iruuka said he was called


databook said he was renown for being the strongest hokage in history and god of shinobi

renown meaning famous.. it takes more than one person to be famous my friend..

kabuto said it was widely known that Hiruzen was called the strongest of the 5 kages..

please do some research before you say nonsense like iruka was the only one saying stuff... it wa slike the whole of naruto verse

 

[Ryuu..]

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iruka is the one that said the 3rd is the god of shinobi. thats 1 random fodder compared to other ninja. someone in kumo could say that the 3rd raikage was the god of shinobi for all we know

'He was called' is different to 'Iruka said'. That implies many other people also said he was the strongest Hokage.

 

[Raito]

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So an invincible immortal is > A God?

Sure, invincible means you cannot be defeated. Nah, just kidding, just want to show you what means to have a hype. Yeah Madara was called invincible and immortal, so in other words he cannot be defeated, by no one.

@Owarij, my translation says on chapter 385/16: An invincible immortal, that's who Uchiha Madara is.

 

[Orochimaruwantsyourbody]

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People need to remember that Hashirama is only superior to EMS Madara.Rinnegan Madara is lightyears ahead of him.​

 

[Ryuu..]

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Sure, invincible means you cannot be defeated. Nah, just kidding, just want to show you what means to have a hype. Yeah Madara was called invincible and immortal, so in other words he cannot be defeated, by no one.

@Owarij, my translation says on chapter 385/16: An invincible immortal, that's who Uchiha Madara is.

Strongest Hokage > Hashirama > Invincible immortal (before they knew he had Rinnegan)

 

[SSS12]

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This topic was discussed many times.

Precisely why I named it RE:hiruzen...

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

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Alright, in the past couple of days, I've seen many threads stating Hiruzen is the strongest hokage - stronger than Hashirama and Minato (I can't say about Tobirama as we've little info about him). Personally, I find this VERY hard to believe and I'll say why that is.
When Hiruzen confronted Kurama 12-13 years before the start of the series, he was 55-56 (68-69, his age before death less 12-13). This is almost the age at which Jiraiya was defeated by Pain (he was 54). Now, Jiraiya put up one hell of a fight before being brought down. And his speed and stamina were still amazing. On the other hand, Hiruzen needed a large squad to back him up to just PUSH BACK Kurama, forget defeating it. What I really find weird is that Hiruzen doesn't have any techniques which are unique to him or any S or A rank techniques, barring RDS which is suicide anyway. I know he is really efficient at other elemental techniques and has mastered all types of combat - ninjutsu taijutsu and genjutsu. But if you have a look at S-class or Kage level ninjas, almost all have some unique or special techniques which MAKES them extremely dangerous. Eg: Deidara's clay techniques, Itachi's Mangekyou, A's lightning armour, etc.
Also Onoki is also very old, but he is still strong and can use his special jutsus i.e. Dust release. This is why I find it hard to believe 3rd Hokage can beat the 1st or the 4th. What do you guys think?

Yes I think hiruzun is a bit overrated butt ! When he went up against orochimaru and the 1st and 2nd zombies he did very well. So in his prime must of been muchhh stronger then he was then. Also when Jiraiya was up against 3 tails naruto I think or 4 tails he almost died and had a big scar. So you can't blame him for not doing much against kurama maybe he was about to but the the fourth showed up. His main priority was to get the fox out of the village.

 

[Raito]

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Strongest Hokage > Hashirama > Invincible immortal (before they knew he had Rinnegan)

Only because Hashirama has beaten Madara it doesn't mean Hiruzen is also stronger than him . And who saiys that Hashirama has beaten Madara by an ordinary way? Madara was still alive after his battle with Hashirama and fought him on the purpose to gain his power. We lack knowledge about their fight but have Madaras hype which makes him invincible and immortal .

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

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If the third could beat minato, then he would not need minato's help to save konoha when the nine tails attacked

Were talking about the third in his prime not when the nine tails attacked

 

[SSS12]

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he doesn't have techniques unique to him? nono , you don't KNOW if he has techniques unique to him...

you've seen like 4 of his said over 2000 techniques... he was called the god of shinobi, and strongest kage of his time for a reason.. which includes oonoki etc..

he was trained by both senju hashirama and tobirama, and would know all that they are capable of, and thus would know the best way to counter it.....






urm what do you need to counter ftg? to simply know not to go near his kunai, or don't let any of his kunai come near you..., we don't know what hiruzen's arsenal is.. but it was stated he was a master of genjutsu (knowing thousands of them) and he has a 5 in it in databooks, he can simply attack minato with genjutsu in any case

unles you're going to tell me he's invunerable to genjutsu?

Not go near his kunai? Dude, Minato threw kunais all over the battlefield. We aren't talking about one kunai here. And you mentioned genjutsu as per the databook. Okay, firstly we don't know if Hiruzen can cast any powerful genjutsus, we have only seen him counter one. I'm sure if he knew an extraordinary genjutsu, he probably would have used it on Orochimaru to make him release edo. Secondly, you have no idea how good at genjutsu Minato is. So there .

 

[SSS12]

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Were talking about the third in his prime not when the nine tails attacked

Please try to read the whole thing first man. Agreed, he was over his prime, but he still didn't do much. As I said, Jiraiya, who was around the same age, took out 4 paths of pain by himself.

 

[Owarij]

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Not go near his kunai? Dude, Minato threw kunais all over the battlefield. We aren't talking about one kunai here. And you mentioned genjutsu as per the databook. Okay, firstly we don't know if Hiruzen can cast any powerful genjutsus, we have only seen him counter one. I'm sure if he knew an extraordinary genjutsu, he probably would have used it on Orochimaru to make him release edo. Secondly, you have no idea how good at genjutsu Minato is. So there .

great logic you have there..

he threw kunai over the battlefield not on every single spot my friend...And there are many many ways to counter it.. if you have suiton or mud release or anything like that, you can use that and pick up all his kunai and deposit them into one place away from you.. Killer bee countered minato's attack with a stale mate by reading where he would go.. and killer bee isn't even a genius.. just a really good fighter..

Please try to read the whole thing first man. Agreed, he was over his prime, but he still didn't do much. As I said, Jiraiya, who was around the same age, took out 4 paths of pain by himself.

you realize everyone in this world, irl and narutoverse age differently right? Hiruzen was that age and was suffering bad from it, his chakra amounts was greatly decreased, his strength was greatly decreased , everything was just going down

 

[ZeoAbyss]

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This will just end ass a flaming war as the last thread made by Ryuu.
I think Minato is equal with Hiruzen.

 

[MasterofSenjutsu]

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Inb4 Gandalf enters this thread.​

I LOVE your sig, it makes me laugh every time I see it! Oh, the stupidity of people...

If the third could beat minato, then he would not need minato's help to save konoha when the nine tails attacked

That's not necesarily true. Because of Minato's abilities, he is very good at evasion. The Third knew this and probably why he decided that Minato would be better at defeating Kurama.

Only because Hashirama has beaten Madara it doesn't mean Hiruzen is also stronger than him . And who saiys that Hashirama has beaten Madara by an ordinary way? Madara was still alive after his battle with Hashirama and fought him on the purpose to gain his power. We lack knowledge about their fight but have Madaras hype which makes him invincible and immortal .

Madara is not invincible or immortal. If Hashi beat him, what does that make Hashi? Beyond invincible and immortal? Yet, they both died. I do not believe that Madara fought Hashi just to gain power. He put a lot on the line with that battle. If he needed his DNA, he could have found other ways to do it. The only hype with Madara that is valid is that when he fought with Hashi, he was on par with him.

 

[Owarij]

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and for the people saying Hiruzen couldn't do shit to kyuubi..

/sigh
One does not simply beat kyuubi in an all out brawl... only a few characters in the manga can do that.. Nagato (Maybe, he got his ass handed to him by half a kyuubi last time, but he was also half power)

edo madara - Maybe once again , idk


you can seal, suppress and control kyuubi.. but beating him unconscious?? lol good luck

What did Minato have ? seals , tons of seals taught to him by kushina of the uzumaki clan, things that could handle kyuubi things that could handle kyuubi's tbbs..... things hiruzen didn't have....

 

[Joon]

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I don't think is was said that Hiruzen was called "the Strongest Hokage." Why does it comes to people minds to suggest that because he was nickname "the Professor" or often called the "God of Shinobi" he could win any battle and that his overrated or underrated? Yeah, it was stated in his Prime that his was this big hot-shot, but now his of old age which gives him a disadvantage to characters of greater skill; mostly because of their Kekkei Genkai or the change in Manga.

Also, each Hokage was somewhat named "the Strongest or Unsurpassed" in their current period of tittle of Hokage so saying "that one is stronger than the other" is invalid. Also, the big one, because we don't know enough information about Hiruzen in his prime and what skills and abilities he may have, we can't say how he would do against other character that was shown of greater skills and abilities beyond Hiruzen which wasn't displayed in the Manga. Cause for all we know, Hiruzen may still be weaker than Minato in his prime or not.

 

[SSS12]

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great logic you have there..

he threw kunai over the battlefield not on every single spot my friend...And there are many many ways to counter it.. if you have suiton or mud release or anything like that, you can use that and pick up all his kunai and deposit them into one place away from you.. Killer bee countered minato's attack with a stale mate by reading where he would go.. and killer bee isn't even a genius.. just a really good fighter.. [/COLOR]

good assumptions there countering with water or earth style techniques, but by the time the kunai's are handled, it'll be over. There's no way he can ignore Minato even for a sec. Well I guess, we'll never find out. Oh and by the way, when bee countered Minato, Minato was concentrating A, it was two on one...

 

[Owarij]

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I don't think is was said that Hiruzen was called "the Strongest Hokage." Why does it comes to people minds to suggest that because he was nickname "the Professor" or often called the "God of Shinobi" he could win any battle and that his overrated or underrated? Yeah, it was stated in his Prime that his was this big hot-shot, but now his of old age which gives him a disadvantage to characters of greater skill; mostly because of their Kekkei Genkai or the change in Manga.

Also, each Hokage was somewhat named "the Strongest or Unsurpassed" in their current period of tittle of Hokage so saying "that one is stronger than the other" is invalid. Also, the big one, because we don't know enough information about Hiruzen in his prime and what skills and abilities he may have, we can't say how he would do against other character that was shown of greater skills and abilities beyond Hiruzen which wasn't displayed in the Manga. Cause for all we know, Hiruzen may still be weaker than Minato in his prime or not.

Naww according to kabuto he was considered the strongest kage of his time
by many , so that includes - Yagura, oonoki, third or fourth raikage, idk , fourth kazekage (oro killed)


and according to databooks and iruka, he was famous for being the strongest hokage konoha has ever had...

he also had nicknames- god of shinobi, Professor (Purportedly knowning all existing non kkg konoha jutsu at one time in the past)

But yea.. some of the hokage were given the title - "strongest of their time"
Hiruzen's hype went a bit further - strongest hokage and strongest of his time