Hashirama vs Nagato

[arv993]

kabuto said there are not ninja on hashirama level anymore. Nagato is no more, he has not seen tobi,naruto or even sasuke

Anymore meaning after his time lol. YEs i said he did not see naruto's BM mode, tobi or sasuke. And he has seen nagato's power seeing that he had him just until recently.

 

[mas129]

which hashirama tech would reach that high in the sky? And how will hashirama know how it work or know what nagato want to do?

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That was mukoton, a Hashirama technique which edo madara spammed (am I wrong about this). And to your second question Hashirama is not an idiot, of course he would attack it straight a way.

 

[Ryuu..]

Hold on. Was the meteor that Madara used originally a Hashirama tech? If it was link me immediately please.​

 

[warlee]

Anymore meaning after his time lol. YEs i said he did not see naruto's BM mode, tobi or sasuke. And he has seen nagato's power seeing that he had him just until recently.

kabuto never witness hashirama fought how can he make such statement then?

 

[arv993]

See this is the bit where plot no jutsu comes in, Kabuto had to play like a noob while using Nagato because if he hadnt then for all we know Naruto, Bee and Itachi would have died..ending the whole story. So Nagato had to die somehow. Also Kabuto isnt the best fighter, if he really is clever in terms of fighting then he would have controlled Deidara to use his C4 to end mass shinobi's. Again he didnt because of plot no jutsu.


Also the CT you are referring to is from Deva Path only, this is Nagato who is much more powerful as his abilities are one. There is a page where Nagato whips out a meteor out of nothing, on a small scale to Madara, while fighting Bee and Naruto.

no dude the CT i am talking about is the one he used on the three. Its not cos of plot no jutsu but probably kishi thought it will make him super hax otherwise, CT is not a simple jutsu he obviously needed time to execute it. Think about it kabuto is no noob and if he can use everything at once just imagine how strong madara would be no way anyone can beat him if he was like that, kishi put limits to their powers like how he put limits on naruto Bm mode and such.

 

[mas129]

Ignore my post, I think I am wrong. Nagato FTW

 

[arv993]

kabuto never witness hashirama fought how can he make such statement then?

he can because he experimented with his powers and look at him using it now he obviously knows what they are. And he has heard about them as well obviously as mentions here how he is gonna show how the fairy tail is gonna become a reality and bs

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unless he was lying or kishi is just ****ing with us i dont think u can just take that statement lightly. Since he witnessed some of the greatest ninjas with his edo tensei and still said that

 

[Rovian]

kabuto said there are not ninja on hashirama level anymore. Nagato is no more, he has not seen tobi,naruto or even sasuke

What Kabuto said is quiet understandable, he said there aren't any Ninja on the same level as the first Hokage's anymore.. if "anymore" in this sentence doesn't count the dead people "in your opinion" then you're not getting it right.. cause Kabuto summoned Edo Nagato in this war and the idea of (there aren't any Ninja that on the same level gap as the first Hokage) still counts Nagato in it.

He also stated that people were actually considering his power as a fairy tail just like the Rikudou Sennin, so when people consider him that strong then he's something.. just like the ones you hear in myths.

 

[Ryuu..]

Ok false alarm people that meteor was not a Hashirama tech. Where da fuq did you get that from?​

 

[arv993]

No it was plot no jutsu and can someone tell me if Madara's meteor was originally a Hashirama technique!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

please you are speculating when i have proof. Nagato has only seen to been using 2-3 paths at once at most and not with extremely chakra absorbing ones like CT. I doubt he can use CT, then follow with shinra tensei, then use his other paths all at once. That is insane even a prime nagato did not have that much chakra he was very tired after using gedo mazo and nothing else.

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Idk about that theory

 

[mas129]

Initially I fought Hashirama would win, but that predicated on Hashirama destroying CT. From my previous post I thought that was possible but I don't think I am right so he can't. If Hashirama can destroy CT, I think he would win but because I can't see a way of doing this Nagato wins. The reason being CT is a massive gravitational force which if not destroyed will keep growing and Hashirama using wood techniques wood simply feed this.

 

[Ryuu..]

please you are speculating when i have proof. Nagato has only seen to been using 2-3 paths at once at most and not with extremely chakra absorbing ones like CT. I doubt he can use CT, then follow with shinra tensei, then use his other paths all at once. That is insane even a prime nagato did not have that much chakra he was very tired after using gedo mazo and nothing else.

Whatever you say cannot hide the fact that Kishi made it that way just so that Naruto and Killer B did not die.

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

no dude the CT i am talking about is the one he used on the three. Its not cos of plot no jutsu but probably kishi thought it will make him super hax otherwise, CT is not a simple jutsu he obviously needed time to execute it. Think about it kabuto is no noob and if he can use everything at once just imagine how strong madara would be no way anyone can beat him if he was like that, kishi put limits to their powers like how he put limits on naruto Bm mode and such.

Oh yes fair enough that part slipped me but still how is Mokuton gonna contain CT's sphere when everything around it is attracting everything? It is just making it bigger as more objects gets compacted together, even wood.

And thats my whole point the whole reason Nagato had to be sealed off is because of him being hax, hax enough that required 3 powerful shinobi's to take him out. How do you think Kishi limits a characters powers? By plot no jutsu, which was my main point. Again like I said logically speaking if Kabuto was really smart in terms of fight, he simply could have spammed Deidara's abilities on the Shinobi army, again Kishi didnt because of the plot.

And so what even if it is possible for Hashirama to contain CT somehow, there are still other abilities of Nagao that Hashirama cant counter.

 

[mas129]

Ok false alarm people that meteor was not a Hashirama tech. Where da fuq did you get that from?​

I don't f*cking know, I just assumed because it was around the same time edo madara used wood techniques and I linked them but I just looked into it and found this page

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Clearly a rinnegan technique

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

What Kabuto said is quiet understandable, he said there aren't any Ninja on the same level as the first Hokage's anymore.. if "anymore" in this sentence doesn't count the dead people "in your opinion" then you're not getting it right.. cause Kabuto summoned Edo Nagato in this war and the idea of (there aren't any Ninja that on the same level gap as the first Hokage) still counts Nagato in it.

He also stated that people were actually considering his power as a fairy tail just like the Rikudou Sennin, so when people consider him that strong then he's something.. just like the ones you hear in myths.

Read my post on page 21, post #311.

 

[arv993]

Whatever you say cannot hide the fact that Kishi made it that way just so that Naruto and Killer B did not die.

yea bee and naruto were gonna die no doubt until itachi saved them.


and if you notice kishi used plot no jutsu against naruto himself. he had none of his clones which are a major part of his power, no summons like toads with him and also made him somewhat hesitant in killing old friends. if he had all his KM clones that fight wuld not have even gone on since naruto with his clnes and summons would have won.

 

[Ryuu..]

yea bee and naruto were gonna die no doubt until itachi saved them.


and if you notice kishi used plot no jutsu against naruto himself. he had none of his clones which are a major part of his power, no summons like toads with him and also made him somewhat hesitant in killing old friends. if he had all his KM clones that fight wuld not have even gone on since naruto with his clnes and summons would have won.

Naruto and his ninjutsu which is usless vs Nagato..........................................

 

[warlee]

Hype is hype. Rinnengan is a myth too and kabuto never used nagato to his full potential even though he believe nagato can take on itachi,naruto and killer bee. Kabuto/oro are been show to be obssesed w/ their experiments or specimen and he has been wronged on many occasion even destroying konoha the strongest village w/ 1 tech is something to consider fairy tale and i never knew what hashirama show which they brand fairy tale. Creating konoha? Nagato wipe it out. Anyway i stop this futile disscusion.

 

[Ryuu..]

Hashirama only made the forrest and some of the infrastructure, it's not like he built the houses, buildings etc aswell which I suspect certain people believed he had done................

 

[arv993]

Oh yes fair enough that part slipped me but still how is Mokuton gonna contain CT's sphere when everything around it is attracting everything? It is just making it bigger as more objects gets compacted together, even wood.

And thats my whole point the whole reason Nagato had to be sealed off is because of him being hax, hax enough that required 3 powerful shinobi's to take him out. How do you think Kishi limits a characters powers? By plot no jutsu, which was my main point. Again like I said logically speaking if Kabuto was really smart in terms of fight, he simply could have spammed Deidara's abilities on the Shinobi army, again Kishi didnt because of the plot.

And so what even if it is possible for Hashirama to contain CT somehow, there are still other abilities of Nagao that Hashirama cant counter.

he actually did mention that in his interview but also understand that its not just plot but the fact is nagato can't use things that large of chakra w/o interval. even in his prime he was tired from just usng gedo mazo

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there is no way he can use all that at once. All you are doing is speculating that oh maybe he can use it all at once but no proof behind it. And especially when he is not edo he can't muster jutsus with that efficiency. Do you know that the jutsu hashi uses is extremely strong and it would just have to hit the target directly which is not a problem due to the target. It took naruto a bunch of big rasengans to stop a minor fraction of the mokuton but in large quantity its force should be enough.

Did you forget that nagato would be blind and during that time his most vulnerable like in the manga where his visons where blocked. He is a much easier target when he is in that state. shinra tensei would not hit the right target since he is blind, human path is no use since he has to be close, asura path is no use. When he is blind hashi can get him since he is pretty vulnerable
as here

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and as kabuto mentions here

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OK lets just end this we have been going in circles and we both are probably not change our minds.