hiruzen sarutobi vs minato namikize

[Itachi Uzumaki]

In he prime. Hiruze is nope minato

 

[TheGr8Uchiha]

lmao this guy doesnt know the diff between having no knowledge of a jutsu, and not knowing how to counter it...

sigh I'll try to explain this to you as simple as possible

TOBI did NOT know about minato's ftg v2...... he's been hiding his existence his whole life , never fought him, never had info on him, thus its obvious he wouldnt counter it.... he had no idea he could teleport to a moving kunai...he only knew about him teleporting to stationary kunai

Countering a technique demands knowledge of the jutsu, and seeing /hearing about it already...... Minato and his ftg was known by every other ninjja.....and the third hokage would definitely know about what the 4th was capable of....

So that's people were ordered to retreat at first sight from Minato... cuz they obviously knew how to counter FTG... when it comes down to it, Minato has defeated all the opponets we have seen him encounter. Bee only interfered, he did not counter anything. Minato > Hiruzen Peace.

 

[clevername]

Minato hands down considering their respective battles known in the series.

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Spoiler

Minato want toe toe with Tobi/Nine Tails and won

 

[Lankeysob]

Hiruzen was said to be the strongest kage so.....

 

[ajpn920]

lmao this guy doesnt know the diff between having no knowledge of a jutsu, and not knowing how to counter it...

sigh I'll try to explain this to you as simple as possible

TOBI did NOT know about minato's ftg v2...... he's been hiding his existence his whole life , never fought him, never had info on him, thus its obvious he wouldnt counter it.... he had no idea he could teleport to a moving kunai...he only knew about him teleporting to stationary kunai

Countering a technique demands knowledge of the jutsu, and seeing /hearing about it already...... Minato and his ftg was known by every other ninjja.....and the third hokage would definitely know about what the 4th was capable of....

The 3rd hokage knows what the 4th is capable of..how about making it the 4th hokage knows what the 3rd is capable of..now, since they both know as we claim them to be, who has the higher chance of countering their jutsus? Minato has space time barrier..It can counter attacks..how about sarutobi? Can he counter teleportation?

 

[ajpn920]

Are you retarded? ftg was used like 4 times for us to see

Once on a fodder in gaiden
raikage
bee
Tobi.....

The fodder is fodder ...
Raikage is an IDIOT , who attacks a amaterasu covered susanno...
Bee countered ftg ..i already showed you a scan are you blind?
Tobi DID NOT KNOW about ftg v2..... wasn't that clearly fking stated?

Were they able to counter FTG? Be sensible man..


Lmao this kid truly thinks minto had numerous occasions to fight geniuses...

He fought a fodder, then an idiot kage named the 4th raikage...... raikages brother countered it..... tobi had no info on it and got rasenganed....

You are truly dumb pretending to have known everything yet failed to use "COMMON SENSE" You claim that hiruzen will beat Minato by hype alone yet you won't acknowledge the hype given to Minato. You call everyone Minato fought a fodder because he killed them in a flash. It's like calling an intelligent person dumb when compared to a genius.

Until now, no one has countered FTG and it's basic mechanics has not been deduced. There are lot of geniuses but no one has deduced the mechanics of FTG. This is a proof that Minato is really a genius. I gave you the jutsus displayed by hiruzen..do you think MInato can't counter that? Who has the higher rate of countering jutsus?

If you believe the 3rd can counter teleportation then you are a stupid fool. It is INSTANTANEOUS!! Kindly do some research and check what it means. How can someone counter a technique so fast? Before he knows what type of technique he'll be using to counter FTG, it was processed to his mind then executed by his body. Time is involved here!! Hiruzen will be transferred from his location to Minato's scattered kunais without traversing the physical space between them. It means that he can't react to it.

By the way, what's the counter to FTG? By just deflecting the kunai? How smart of you...Minato's intention was to scatter the kunai..not to hit the person...Nice try............

 

[Owarij]

You are truly dumb pretending to have known everything yet failed to use "COMMON SENSE" You claim that hiruzen will beat Minato by hype alone yet you won't acknowledge the hype given to Minato. You call everyone Minato fought a fodder because he killed them in a flash. It's like calling an intelligent person dumb when compared to a genius.

Until now, no one has countered FTG and it's basic mechanics has not been deduced. There are lot of geniuses but no one has deduced the mechanics of FTG. This is a proof that Minato is really a genius. I gave you the jutsus displayed by hiruzen..do you think MInato can't counter that? Who has the higher rate of countering jutsus?

If you believe the 3rd can counter teleportation then you are a stupid fool. It is INSTANTANEOUS!! Kindly do some research and check what it means. How can someone counter a technique so fast? Before he knows what type of technique he'll be using to counter FTG, it was processed to his mind then executed by his body. Time is involved here!! Hiruzen will be transferred from his location to Minato's scattered kunais without traversing the physical space between them. It means that he can't react to it.

By the way, what's the counter to FTG? By just deflecting the kunai? How smart of you...Minato's intention was to scatter the kunai..not to hit the person...Nice try............

You're joking right? ftg v1 is scattering kunai.... v2 is teleporting to kunai in motion...... Which is the offensive attack.... V1 is defensive for dodging attacks.... as i said hiruzen could easily use a mud jutsu or a mud wall of some sort on the scattered kunai.... the v2 ones can be countered as i stated before....

Try again ?

 

[TheGr8Uchiha]

You are truly dumb pretending to have known everything yet failed to use "COMMON SENSE" You claim that hiruzen will beat Minato by hype alone yet you won't acknowledge the hype given to Minato. You call everyone Minato fought a fodder because he killed them in a flash. It's like calling an intelligent person dumb when compared to a genius.

Until now, no one has countered FTG and it's basic mechanics has not been deduced. There are lot of geniuses but no one has deduced the mechanics of FTG. This is a proof that Minato is really a genius. I gave you the jutsus displayed by hiruzen..do you think MInato can't counter that? Who has the higher rate of countering jutsus?

If you believe the 3rd can counter teleportation then you are a stupid fool. It is INSTANTANEOUS!! Kindly do some research and check what it means. How can someone counter a technique so fast? Before he knows what type of technique he'll be using to counter FTG, it was processed to his mind then executed by his body. Time is involved here!! Hiruzen will be transferred from his location to Minato's scattered kunais without traversing the physical space between them. It means that he can't react to it.

By the way, what's the counter to FTG? By just deflecting the kunai? How smart of you...Minato's intention was to scatter the kunai..not to hit the person...Nice try............

I completely agree with you. There is no way Hiruzen could counter such a simple move such as FTG... (haha just kidding). Minato hands down would defeat the 3rd who is based on hype. xd

 

[ajpn920]

You're joking right? ftg v1 is scattering kunai.... v2 is teleporting to kunai in motion...... Which is the offensive attack.... V1 is defensive for dodging attacks.... as i said hiruzen could easily use a mud jutsu or a mud wall of some sort on the scattered kunai.... the v2 ones can be countered as i stated before....

Try again ?

FTG is where Minato will teleport to his kunai. I'm referring to the one he used against the fox. He teleported the kyuubi to another location. He can do the same to Hiruzen. Don't you agree? he was able to do it against kyuubi..why not against hiruzen?

Even if Hiruzen will use mud wall, still the kunais will be on that area. Minato can teleport Hiruzen to the area where his kunai is like what he did against the kyuubi.

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It shows that Minato was able to send the kyuubi to another location. He can do that against the 3rd.

 

[ajpn920]

I disagree. He didn't technically defeat Tobi, I believe Tobi would've eventually won but of course Minato left and didn't finish the fight. Raikage, well he doesn't seem that smart but I don't think he has to be seeing how it is probably rare that he ever takes any type of damage. Amateratsu was probably the first attack that actually has been through his lightening armor in awhile and it still didn't phase him that much. I wouldn't even say that Minato could defeat Raikage, I don't see no way for him to cause significant damage to him and all Raikage has to do his touch him once and its over. FTG isn't all that great either, tobi's and the 2nd Hokage's space/time is far more advanced

It's very clear that Tobi ran away from his fight against Minato. Minato placed a seal on him. He can no longer escape. Tobi's S/T technique is more advance than FTG but FTG is much usefull in battle. I don't think the 2nd Hokages S/T is better than Minato's tech, if it is, then he won't have problem dealing with KinGIn troops.

By the way, why would Minato tried to stab raikage using a kunai. He knows that raikage was using lightning shroud. He's not a stupid person. According to Jiraiya, Minato was a shrewd person, and was not a man who would do something without reason. This means a lot. The moment he strikes raikage with his kunai, he knows that he can hurt him. Unfortunately, Kishi spoils it again and leaves Minato's ability a mystery.

Trying to stab someone with lightning shroud means that he had wind element because only wind is strong against lightning. It's purely speculation but who knows....:shrug:

 

[Kyuubikiller]

It's very clear that Tobi ran away from his fight against Minato. Minato placed a seal on him. He can no longer escape. Tobi's S/T technique is more advance than FTG but FTG is much usefull in battle. I don't think the 2nd Hokages S/T is better than Minato's tech, if it is, then he won't have problem dealing with KinGIn troops.

By the way, why would Minato tried to stab raikage using a kunai. He knows that raikage was using lightning shroud. He's not a stupid person. According to Jiraiya, Minato was a shrewd person, and was not a man who would do something without reason. This means a lot. The moment he strikes raikage with his kunai, he knows that he can hurt him. Unfortunately, Kishi spoils it again and leaves Minato's ability a mystery.

Trying to stab someone with lightning shroud means that he had wind element because only wind is strong against lightning. It's purely speculation but who knows....:shrug:

You might actually have something there, that's a pretty good theory.

 

[ajpn920]

You might actually have something there, that's a pretty good theory.

Thanks. Actually, I believe that he's a wind user. Not basing on the meaning of his name but based on Naruto which is a wind user and the way he tried to stab raikage.

It's a 50/50 chance because Kushina could also be a wind user that's why Naruto has it. If you add his battle with the raikage, then chances will go up. Him being a shrewd person will not do something without a reason. If by chance he is a wind user, then he might have developed powerful wind jutsus. It will make him even more dangerous..

 

[Kurogane]

3rdhokageisbullshit

 

[melvin008]

It's very clear that Tobi ran away from his fight against Minato. Minato placed a seal on him. He can no longer escape. Tobi's S/T technique is more advance than FTG but FTG is much usefull in battle. I don't think the 2nd Hokages S/T is better than Minato's tech, if it is, then he won't have problem dealing with KinGIn troops.

By the way, why would Minato tried to stab raikage using a kunai. He knows that raikage was using lightning shroud. He's not a stupid person. According to Jiraiya, Minato was a shrewd person, and was not a man who would do something without reason. This means a lot. The moment he strikes raikage with his kunai, he knows that he can hurt him. Unfortunately, Kishi spoils it again and leaves Minato's ability a mystery.

Trying to stab someone with lightning shroud means that he had wind element because only wind is strong against lightning. It's purely speculation but who knows....:shrug:

u might be right there u know

 

[Lord Snow]

The 3rd would beat minato.

 

[melvin008]

The 3rd would beat minato.

are u serious abt that c'mon the third can't stand minato's ftg

 

[Sasuke4115]

By Hype 3rd By feat Minato...Simple

 

[The Eye]

minato....i dont see how the 3rd can possibly win this

 

[melvin008]

People make claims about the hiruzen being able to hold hhs own facing hashirama and tobirama senju together, and he was able to stand them that's bullshit, his taijustu was rubbish against the two hokages they were dummies (not like the ones kabuto created) he only used simple justus like mud wall to block the second's water release technique, and he got to go into taijustu with them... do you think minato will waste such time fighting against those too kages...he would have bested the with his speed and brought them down in an instant...and again did u see how hard it was for him to seal orochimaru........? Minato was able to seal the nine tails away without....sweat.... Guys do have a rethink about this

 

[Davor97]

Minato owns hiruzen!
Hiruzen is the most overrated person ever