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Who do you think Tobi is:

  • Jubbi

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Sage of Six Paths

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Elder son of Sage of Sixth Path

    Votes: 65 9.3%
  • Izuna uchiha

    Votes: 105 15.0%
  • Kagami uchiha

    Votes: 71 10.1%
  • Obito Uchiha

    Votes: 77 11.0%
  • Fugaku Uchiha

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Zetsu

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Madara's split personality (created before original body died.)

    Votes: 66 9.4%
  • A copycat whose rolemodel is Madara.

    Votes: 13 1.9%
  • Tobirama

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • An unknown Uchiha

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Real Madara in Zetsu body

    Votes: 28 4.0%
  • Some one from Madara's time ( can't decide though)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Danzou

    Votes: 8 1.1%
  • Setsuna Uchiha

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Shisui

    Votes: 14 2.0%
  • An Uzumaki

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • Madara's Son

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • A woman

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Obito's father

    Votes: 19 2.7%
  • Someone Other than these

    Votes: 24 3.4%
  • First Edo tensie

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • An alien ( Superman/ HeMan/whatnot)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • I am the best. I have no theory. ( Not anymore at least.)

    Votes: 22 3.1%

  • Total voters
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Re: Who is behind the Mask...

Here is a flaw:

Izuna gave his eyes(or stolen) to Madara. How did he manage to get another pair of eyes if he was blind? Next how has he been alive for 4 or 5 generations? And what is his motive for controlling the world? Madara was the one that wanted to be a leader not Izuna.

Consider the possibility of Izuna being near madara as he died. Izuna simply takes back the eyes. Manga never states that it cannot be transplanted more than once. Bottom line, Izuna is Tobi. Deal with it. You dont believe it, wait a few chapters.
 

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Re: Tobi (Official Breakdown):All Tobi theories go here:-

How can you be for certain that Obito would not comply into doing something like that to achieve it? Anything is possible. Pain and Konan went thru war just like Obito did. They both lost the ones of someone they loved. The loss of they're loved ones and the experience of war evolved them into different people, The same would go for Obito, for he lost his love one too. These tribulations afflicted trauma towards them. It changed they're perspective of the world and believed there is no such thing of ''peace''. Zetsu used this against them in order to manipulate them. So it is not hard to believe that Obito attempted to murder his own teacher, when Nagato did so with no hesitation. They were willing to do whatever it took to achieve peace and kill whoever stood in they're way of achieving this during their process of doing so.
Now you're just going out of character. Just a moment ago you were claiming Obito was a good person so naturally he would want the world to have peace and next you're saying he'll killl a bunch of people in order to accomplish his goals. Obito was alot like Naruto, gernerous and kind hearted, so much so he even gave up one of his eyes. Most people wouldn't even do that even though they're dying. You'd have to be devoid of concience to commit the acts Tobi has. He is living in a world of Shinobi. It is not uncommon for them to lose family members and friends in bloody battles and yet not everyone grows up to become like Nagato.

You can not compare the hypocrisy of Obito killing people for peace to Nagato doing it, because Nagato in a way was taking vengeance since Konoha is responsible for the deaths of his village and parents. Obito on the other hand has no real reason to hate Konoha. And before you go "well maybe he found out Rin died and wanted revenge" that was her line of duty. You can't be a soldier then when one of your teammates fall decide "I'm going to attack my home country for making us fight". They decided to be ninja, I'm sure they weren't drafted for it so thats to be expected if they get killed.

If all Tobi wanted was to complete his moon eye plan, he would have been satisfied after extracting the kyuubi but he instead wanted to destroy Konoha with it which seems very out of character of Obito who loved his friends and village. Upon his survival he probably would have tried to persuade Rin and Kakashi to join him as Akatsuki members since they're so close. Or if not that, since he became so twisted as you claim, try to reclaim the eye he gave to Kakashi.
 
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Tobi could be a woman

Tobi could be Minato's genin teammate in team Jiraya. Apart from the voice, we have no proof that Tobi is a man. I think altering your voice, either temporarily or permanently using a simple jutsu musnt be a big deal. Younger Tobi did have long hair, and we do not know that Minato's teammate wasnt an uchiha. Even if tobi isnt madara, there is no reason to hide his/her face unless it immediately reveals it to be a female face.

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Re: Tobi (Official Breakdown):All Tobi theories go here:-

Here's the ultimate proof Tobi can not be Obito. Nagato was Jiraiya's first apprentice making him older than Minato. Nagato was said to be given his eyes by Tobi as a child then later recruited him in to Akatsuki as he was a teenager. At this time Tobi was already an adult, meaning there is no way he could be Obito who would still be an infant at this point in time.
 

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Re: Tobi is an Uchiha

IT'S HILARIOUS how you say "use your brain" and "analyze", instead of "listening to what others tell me" ... AFTER YOU SAID the manga DOESN'T TELL YOU EVERYTHING.... and making up and ASSUMING as a fact that izuna was told by madara to MEET HIM at the fight with the first hokage, where did you get those facts? your own ass.

then where the fu*k else are you getting your information?!?!? obviously YOU ARE THE ONE that's listening to what others are telling you, or maybe what your delusional mind is feeding you... but i assure you sir, it's puuure and utter bullsh*t


AND AS TO YOUR #4 ::::



^^^ right there buddy

You are a genius. I dont remember that one line "Nagato must've grown.." or something. That proves that Madara was operating with another individual, and they both were aware that Rinnegan can ressurect the dead. He was shocked to find out it was IWR.

Its known that Izuna gave his eyes (either forcibly or voluntarily) to Madara to obtain EMS. Madara used Izuna's eyes and fought with Hashirama to obtain Senju DNA and activate the Rinnegan.

Madara and Izuna are twins, the one we see in the casket is Madara after his Rinnegan has been removed. Izuna placed those eyes in Nagato, and later battles with Konan to take them back.

Here we see a flashback where Madara is speaking with Muu and Oonoki about Hashirama. If Madara was alive then with Oonoki as a younger shinobi, and Madara and Izuna are twins, then it is possible that Izuna be alive as Oonoki is. Old, but alive. We see glances of Tobi's face-he's an old man.

TOBI=IZUNA. Case closed.
 

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Shisui is Tobi (Flawless Explanation)

Shisui, under the disguise of Tobi, first convinced Yahiko to form the Akatsuki, this was the beginning of his plan for world peace.

Shisui and Madara are both firm believers in the theory of "restoring the power of the Uchiha Clan." This was what caught Madara's attention so Madara trained Shisui (at a very young age) to carry on his "will of the Uchiha Clan." Apart from The Sage of Six Paths in having the rinnegan, only Uchiha Madara progressed his EMS to a Rinnegan during near-death. This was because the final step to progress the EMS to a rinnegan was to sacrifice one's self. Madara then told Shisui to destroy Madara in order to awaken the Rinnegan, Shisui then killing his mentor awakened his Mangekyo Sharingan. Right before Madara died, he entrusted Shisui with 2 possessions: the Zetsu and the Rinnegan. The 1st Hokage's cell were used to make the White Zetsu (Senju Yang Energy: Vitality) and he used his own cells to make the Black Zetsu (Uchiha Yin Energy: Genjutsu). Madara then asked Shisui to use the Rinnegan to read the stone tablet left behind by the Sage of Six Paths. Shisui took out his Sharingan in his right eye and stored it, then implanted the right Rinnegan into his face. Shisui learned the truth about the ten-tails and the eye-moon genjutsu plan. Madara also asked Shisui to afterwards implant the eye to an infant called Negato Uzamaki who has the senju's blood (this happened some time before the 2nd Shinobi War). Madara, thinking about the future, was hoping that Nagato could revive him this way through the awakening the power of the Rinnegan. Later, Danzo took shisui's right eye & arm, but they never said how. Danzo is not strong enough to take shisui's eye by force (if he was why did he only take one of Shisui's eye?). It was Shisui that made a deal with Danzo to give him his right sharingan and arm in exchange for Obito's (which Danzo has obtained when he read the report of Kakashi's mission) right eye plus to tell Hanzo to betray Yahiko (Jiraiya's disciple). Thus allowing enough power for Negato Uzumaki (whom is a related to the Senju Clan) to summon the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path (during the 3rd Shinobi War). Now the Demonic Statue (which can only be summoned by someone with the Senju's blood + Rinnegan) is under Akatsuki's control; this was the only way to collect the tailed beasts, through that statue. After acquiring Obito's eyes he gained the space-time technique which allowed him to warp through dimensions and he used to Zetsu's power to give restore his right arm. Tobi saw the opportunity to capture the nine-tails during Naruto's birth. Shisui, as Tobi, attempted to capture the nine-tails through his genjutsu but Minato severely injured him with the rasengan and placed a seal to free the nine-tails from Shisui's genjutsu. Shisui then fled and swore that he will obtain the nine-tails through other means in the future. Konoha at this point believed the Uchiha Clan was responsible for the Nine-Tails attack so they forced the Uchiha Clan to live in the corner of the village. This fueled Shisui's rage seeing that the Uchiha clan is being pushed further and further away. He swore to himself that Uchiha Clan will control the world. In order devote copletely to this plan he now have to completely give up his identity as Shisui and completely focus on his second identity as Tobi. So he met up with Itachi whom called Shisui his "older brother." Shisui then used Kotoamatsukami ,before giving Itachi his left eye, to put Itachi in a powerful genjutsu making it appear that Itachi has killed Shisui, so that his cover as Madara would be flawless. Itachi then awakened his MS through this mean. Itachi made a deal with him telling him to spare the villiage and in exchange he will wipe out the Uchiha Clan. Shisui, acting as Madara, complied to hide his identity and also to obtain spare Sharingans (which would benefit his plans by the power of Izanagi). From then on Shisui carried out his plan through the Akatsuki organization that he has created.

Side notes:
*Tobi knows almost everything about Itachi.

*Ao battled with Shisui recognizing his chakra color; Tobi told Kisame he controlled the 4th Mizukage.

*Tobi's left eye is strictly for the use of Izanagi, (protected him from when Itachi implanted Amaterasu to react with Tobi's Sharingan and Konan's explosive tags).

*Tobi joins Akatsuki after Sasori's death with a very goofy attitude. When Itachi died he became extremely serious.

*Tobi wanted Shisui's eye from Danzo and was mad when he blew himself up.

*Kabuto can't find Shisui's body.
 

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Re: Tobi (Official Breakdown):All Tobi theories go here:-

Shisui, under the disguise of Tobi, first convinced Yahiko to form the Akatsuki, this was the beginning of his plan for world peace.

Shisui and Madara are both firm believers in the theory of "restoring the power of the Uchiha Clan." This was what caught Madara's attention so Madara trained Shisui (at a very young age) to carry on his "will of the Uchiha Clan." Apart from The Sage of Six Paths in having the rinnegan, only Uchiha Madara progressed his EMS to a Rinnegan during near-death. This was because the final step to progress the EMS to a rinnegan was to sacrifice one's self. Madara then told Shisui to destroy Madara in order to awaken the Rinnegan, Shisui then killing his mentor awakened his Mangekyo Sharingan. Right before Madara died, he entrusted Shisui with 2 possessions: the Zetsu and the Rinnegan. The 1st Hokage's cell were used to make the White Zetsu (Senju Yang Energy: Vitality) and he used his own cells to make the Black Zetsu (Uchiha Yin Energy: Genjutsu). Madara then asked Shisui to use the Rinnegan to read the stone tablet left behind by the Sage of Six Paths. Shisui took out his Sharingan in his right eye and stored it, then implanted the right Rinnegan into his face. Shisui learned the truth about the ten-tails and the eye-moon genjutsu plan. Madara also asked Shisui to afterwards implant the eye to an infant called Negato Uzamaki who has the senju's blood (this happened some time before the 2nd Shinobi War). Madara, thinking about the future, was hoping that Nagato could revive him this way through the awakening the power of the Rinnegan. Later, Danzo took shisui's right eye & arm, but they never said how. Danzo is not strong enough to take shisui's eye by force (if he was why did he only take one of Shisui's eye?). It was Shisui that made a deal with Danzo to give him his right sharingan and arm in exchange for Obito's (which Danzo has obtained when he read the report of Kakashi's mission) right eye plus to tell Hanzo to betray Yahiko (Jiraiya's disciple). Thus allowing enough power for Negato Uzumaki (whom is a related to the Senju Clan) to summon the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path (during the 3rd Shinobi War). Now the Demonic Statue (which can only be summoned by someone with the Senju's blood + Rinnegan) is under Akatsuki's control; this was the only way to collect the tailed beasts, through that statue. After acquiring Obito's eyes he gained the space-time technique which allowed him to warp through dimensions and he used to Zetsu's power to give restore his right arm. Tobi saw the opportunity to capture the nine-tails during Naruto's birth. Shisui, as Tobi, attempted to capture the nine-tails through his genjutsu but Minato severely injured him with the rasengan and placed a seal to free the nine-tails from Shisui's genjutsu. Shisui then fled and swore that he will obtain the nine-tails through other means in the future. Konoha at this point believed the Uchiha Clan was responsible for the Nine-Tails attack so they forced the Uchiha Clan to live in the corner of the village. This fueled Shisui's rage seeing that the Uchiha clan is being pushed further and further away. He swore to himself that Uchiha Clan will control the world. In order devote copletely to this plan he now have to completely give up his identity as Shisui and completely focus on his second identity as Tobi. So he met up with Itachi whom called Shisui his "older brother." Shisui then used Kotoamatsukami ,before giving Itachi his left eye, to put Itachi in a powerful genjutsu making it appear that Itachi has killed Shisui, so that his cover as Madara would be flawless. Itachi then awakened his MS through this mean. Itachi made a deal with him telling him to spare the villiage and in exchange he will wipe out the Uchiha Clan. Shisui, acting as Madara, complied to hide his identity and also to obtain spare Sharingans (which would benefit his plans by the power of Izanagi). From then on Shisui carried out his plan through the Akatsuki organization that he has created.

Side notes:
*Tobi knows almost everything about Itachi.

*Ao battled with Shisui recognizing his chakra color; Tobi told Kisame he controlled the 4th Mizukage.

*Tobi's left eye is strictly for the use of Izanagi, (protected him from when Itachi implanted Amaterasu to react with Tobi's Sharingan and Konan's explosive tags).

*Tobi joins Akatsuki after Sasori's death with a very goofy attitude. When Itachi died he became extremely serious.

*Tobi wanted Shisui's eye from Danzo and was mad when he blew himself up.

*Kabuto can't find Shisui's body.
 

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Re: Shisui is Tobi (Flawless Explanation)

... how do you explain the wrinkles on his face? BTW I believe it goes something like this: Jiraya trained Minato and Itachi wasn't even born yet, Itachi and Shisui looked almost the same age... How would an unborn Shisui implant eyes on an already existing Nagato?
 
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Re: Shisui is Tobi (Flawless Explanation)

Kinda valid but next time you put (Flawless Explanation) in a title, make sure you spell check and grammar check cause they count lol
 
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Re: Tobi (Official Breakdown):All Tobi theories go here:-

Shisui, under the disguise of Tobi, first convinced Yahiko to form the Akatsuki, this was the beginning of his plan for world peace.

Shisui and Madara are both firm believers in the theory of "restoring the power of the Uchiha Clan." This was what caught Madara's attention so Madara trained Shisui (at a very young age) to carry on his "will of the Uchiha Clan." Apart from The Sage of Six Paths in having the rinnegan, only Uchiha Madara progressed his EMS to a Rinnegan during near-death. This was because the final step to progress the EMS to a rinnegan was to sacrifice one's self. Madara then told Shisui to destroy Madara in order to awaken the Rinnegan, Shisui then killing his mentor awakened his Mangekyo Sharingan. Right before Madara died, he entrusted Shisui with 2 possessions: the Zetsu and the Rinnegan. The 1st Hokage's cell were used to make the White Zetsu (Senju Yang Energy: Vitality) and he used his own cells to make the Black Zetsu (Uchiha Yin Energy: Genjutsu). Madara then asked Shisui to use the Rinnegan to read the stone tablet left behind by the Sage of Six Paths. Shisui took out his Sharingan in his right eye and stored it, then implanted the right Rinnegan into his face. Shisui learned the truth about the ten-tails and the eye-moon genjutsu plan. Madara also asked Shisui to afterwards implant the eye to an infant called Negato Uzamaki who has the senju's blood (this happened some time before the 2nd Shinobi War). Madara, thinking about the future, was hoping that Nagato could revive him this way through the awakening the power of the Rinnegan. Later, Danzo took shisui's right eye & arm, but they never said how. Danzo is not strong enough to take shisui's eye by force (if he was why did he only take one of Shisui's eye?). It was Shisui that made a deal with Danzo to give him his right sharingan and arm in exchange for Obito's (which Danzo has obtained when he read the report of Kakashi's mission) right eye plus to tell Hanzo to betray Yahiko (Jiraiya's disciple). Thus allowing enough power for Negato Uzumaki (whom is a related to the Senju Clan) to summon the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path (during the 3rd Shinobi War). Now the Demonic Statue (which can only be summoned by someone with the Senju's blood + Rinnegan) is under Akatsuki's control; this was the only way to collect the tailed beasts, through that statue. After acquiring Obito's eyes he gained the space-time technique which allowed him to warp through dimensions and he used to Zetsu's power to give restore his right arm. Tobi saw the opportunity to capture the nine-tails during Naruto's birth. Shisui, as Tobi, attempted to capture the nine-tails through his genjutsu but Minato severely injured him with the rasengan and placed a seal to free the nine-tails from Shisui's genjutsu. Shisui then fled and swore that he will obtain the nine-tails through other means in the future. Konoha at this point believed the Uchiha Clan was responsible for the Nine-Tails attack so they forced the Uchiha Clan to live in the corner of the village. This fueled Shisui's rage seeing that the Uchiha clan is being pushed further and further away. He swore to himself that Uchiha Clan will control the world. In order devote copletely to this plan he now have to completely give up his identity as Shisui and completely focus on his second identity as Tobi. So he met up with Itachi whom called Shisui his "older brother." Shisui then used Kotoamatsukami ,before giving Itachi his left eye, to put Itachi in a powerful genjutsu making it appear that Itachi has killed Shisui, so that his cover as Madara would be flawless. Itachi then awakened his MS through this mean. Itachi made a deal with him telling him to spare the villiage and in exchange he will wipe out the Uchiha Clan. Shisui, acting as Madara, complied to hide his identity and also to obtain spare Sharingans (which would benefit his plans by the power of Izanagi). From then on Shisui carried out his plan through the Akatsuki organization that he has created.

Side notes:
*Tobi knows almost everything about Itachi.

*Ao battled with Shisui recognizing his chakra color; Tobi told Kisame he controlled the 4th Mizukage.

*Tobi's left eye is strictly for the use of Izanagi, (protected him from when Itachi implanted Amaterasu to react with Tobi's Sharingan and Konan's explosive tags).

*Tobi joins Akatsuki after Sasori's death with a very goofy attitude. When Itachi died he became extremely serious.

*Tobi wanted Shisui's eye from Danzo and was mad when he blew himself up.

*Kabuto can't find Shisui's body.
woah that explanation was really freakin long; x'D
but it did have a good point to it, & i gotta say i agree with it.
Izuna sounds like a very good possibility, but after reading this im now thinking it may be Shisui, so my answer is ethier Izuna, or Shisui.
 

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possible tobi/fake madara identity

i think he is izuna uchiha.
reasons
1) it has to be an uchiha
2) they never say he died they just say madara took his eyes.
3) in the recent manga 560. madara mentions it must be HIS doing.
4) if madara knows who it is he must have been alive long ago during madara and the first hokages time period.
5) that person must of none about madara's prime and that he has the rinnegan. who would of madara have told but his own brother.
6) madara is the only one that know how to access the rinnegan and if he told his brother than that would be how he gave the rinnegan to pain and all the other jinchuuriki.
6) it has been stated through out the naruto series that you can transplant the sharingan eyes. being hes an uchiha he could use the implanted eyes better than kakashi or danzo.
7) this would also be why he doesn't have the mangekyo sharingan or eternal mangekyo sharingan.
8) not wanting to be found out who he is, he used his brothers name to strike fear in all shinobi and of course no one would realize or even guess who he was.
9) they never showed in example of how madaras brother acted. evil or good or anything. just talked of him.
10) his skill is very high and all of his techniques and knowledge could only be obtained by being taught with or by madara.
11) if madara truly loved his brother he would do everything he could to keep him alive and strong.
12) he must of told orochimaru about madaras prime to start his theory.
13) madara knows of the moon eye plan and agrees with tobi that it is whats best. i think madara came up with the plan and izuna either killed madara so hed be in control of the plan or when madara died he followed the plan where madara left off.
i think he could very well be possible be madaras brother. izuna madara.
 
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Re: possible tobi/fake madara identity

1) Why?
2) I am sure they did say he died in battle later on
3) How does that prove he is Izuna?
5) It is most likely Izuna died whilst Madara had EMS
6) Why must he be an Uchiha?
10) The only skill Tobi showed us before he got the Rinnegan was his S/T jutsu
11) Is that why Madara took Izuna's eyes for EMS?
 
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