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blazekev90
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Re: Tobi is really a woman?
Would be interesting, and early on he was acting kinda girly. I mean,...ok just no.
Would be interesting, and early on he was acting kinda girly. I mean,...ok just no.
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..Who could Tobi be..?
Here is my analysis for “Who could be Tobi”. I don’t want to come up with a theory and just say Tobi could be who (Izuna or Obito or Kagami or whoever) as many of you’ve done that already. I just want to make an analysis of possibilities and uncertainties. And I simply think that the identity of Tobi is not simple or straight forward (like Tobi removes his mark and say I’m Uchiha Kagami..!).
Let’s start from the external appearance..
Age : Tobi seems to be the same age as Danzo
Kagami (or Sasuke’s father) is possible, Obito is too young and Izuna is too old unless something extraordinary involved (eg. Zetsu).
His hair style and color:
That’s inconclusive in my opinion. Most of the Uchiha candidates have that hair color and more or less the same appearance.
Body : When Tobi fought with Minato, he was a fully grown up man. So Obito is less likely.
Eye : That can be important clue. Tobi showed only right eye (before he got rinnegan)
Possibility is that he only got one eye or one Sharingan on the right (or save his left Sharingan for Izanagi?). One supporting fact is that as Sasuke said while he fought with A, “Susanoo is the third ability granted by the Mangekyō Sharingan after awakening the abilities in both eyes” (sth like that, I copied this sentence from Narutowikia). Among MS users, Madara, Itachi and Sasuke can use those 3 abilities while Kakashi and Tobi can’t. The difference is “one eye MS and both eye MS”. (correct me if I’m wrong)
So the possible candidate are Obito (or Obito’s body) who has no left eye and Izuna who has some issues relating to giving or taking back his eye(s). Others are still possible if Kishi adds in more stories.
White Substance from right side : That seems to be related to Zetsu. His injured right arm has grown to normal twice after the fight with Danzo’s bodyguard, and Konan.
So, Zetsu merges with other body (likely Obito’s)?
Abilities : Tobi’s got Hashirama’s cell/body somehow and the real Madara has it too.
So, these two seem to be related. Besides both Tobi and Madara are related to Nagato or Nagato’s ability to resurrect (both want Nagato to revive them when they die). In addition, Madara could activate his Rinnegan just before his dead and Tobi said he gave Rinnegan to Nagato. So, Nagato’s Rinnegan are Madara’s eyes? Tobi gave Madara’s Rinnegan to Nagato? There will be some stories behind it.
It can be Kagami cuz only that generation can experience both Madara’s time and Nagato’s time.
What he said : he said he is a shell of his former self (Biju? Or Split Madara? with Zetsu clone)
Still, there are other things to analyze. But I don’t want my thread to be too long and complicated (is it already?:shrug
. I appreciate all your feedback.
Here is my analysis for “Who could be Tobi”. I don’t want to come up with a theory and just say Tobi could be who (Izuna or Obito or Kagami or whoever) as many of you’ve done that already. I just want to make an analysis of possibilities and uncertainties. And I simply think that the identity of Tobi is not simple or straight forward (like Tobi removes his mark and say I’m Uchiha Kagami..!).
Let’s start from the external appearance..
Age : Tobi seems to be the same age as Danzo
Kagami (or Sasuke’s father) is possible, Obito is too young and Izuna is too old unless something extraordinary involved (eg. Zetsu).
His hair style and color:
That’s inconclusive in my opinion. Most of the Uchiha candidates have that hair color and more or less the same appearance.
Body : When Tobi fought with Minato, he was a fully grown up man. So Obito is less likely.
Eye : That can be important clue. Tobi showed only right eye (before he got rinnegan)
Possibility is that he only got one eye or one Sharingan on the right (or save his left Sharingan for Izanagi?). One supporting fact is that as Sasuke said while he fought with A, “Susanoo is the third ability granted by the Mangekyō Sharingan after awakening the abilities in both eyes” (sth like that, I copied this sentence from Narutowikia). Among MS users, Madara, Itachi and Sasuke can use those 3 abilities while Kakashi and Tobi can’t. The difference is “one eye MS and both eye MS”. (correct me if I’m wrong)
So the possible candidate are Obito (or Obito’s body) who has no left eye and Izuna who has some issues relating to giving or taking back his eye(s). Others are still possible if Kishi adds in more stories.
White Substance from right side : That seems to be related to Zetsu. His injured right arm has grown to normal twice after the fight with Danzo’s bodyguard, and Konan.
So, Zetsu merges with other body (likely Obito’s)?
Abilities : Tobi’s got Hashirama’s cell/body somehow and the real Madara has it too.
So, these two seem to be related. Besides both Tobi and Madara are related to Nagato or Nagato’s ability to resurrect (both want Nagato to revive them when they die). In addition, Madara could activate his Rinnegan just before his dead and Tobi said he gave Rinnegan to Nagato. So, Nagato’s Rinnegan are Madara’s eyes? Tobi gave Madara’s Rinnegan to Nagato? There will be some stories behind it.
It can be Kagami cuz only that generation can experience both Madara’s time and Nagato’s time.
What he said : he said he is a shell of his former self (Biju? Or Split Madara? with Zetsu clone)
Still, there are other things to analyze. But I don’t want my thread to be too long and complicated (is it already?:shrug
. I appreciate all your feedback.
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Infinite Mizu
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Re: ..Who could be Tobi..?
Could be a white zetsu with the greatest of the uchiha's(madara, izuna etc) cells ..probably, just an opinion
Could be a white zetsu with the greatest of the uchiha's(madara, izuna etc) cells ..probably, just an opinion
Rikudo SenninKun Namikaze
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Re: Tobi is an Uchiha
then where the fu*k else are you getting your information?!?!? obviously YOU ARE THE ONE that's listening to what others are telling you, or maybe what your delusional mind is feeding you... but i assure you sir, it's puuure and utter bullsh*t
AND AS TO YOUR #4 ::::
IT'S HILARIOUS how you say "use your brain" and "analyze", instead of "listening to what others tell me" ... AFTER YOU SAID the manga DOESN'T TELL YOU EVERYTHING.... and making up and ASSUMING as a fact that izuna was told by madara to MEET HIM at the fight with the first hokage, where did you get those facts? your own ass.
then where the fu*k else are you getting your information?!?!? obviously YOU ARE THE ONE that's listening to what others are telling you, or maybe what your delusional mind is feeding you... but i assure you sir, it's puuure and utter bullsh*t
AND AS TO YOUR #4 ::::
^^^ right there buddy
human kage
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tobi is an senju/uzumaki/ zetsu
why tobi could be the original zetsu clone made by madara from the 1st dna like yamato he probably did this knowing he could unlock the rinnigan and that he could give it to him(tobi) so he could find a way to bring back his master. and you ask why because his losing body parts like u loss socks and seems to get a new parts which he could take from his zetsu clones
why a senju/uzumaki his able to control the rinnegan so far only people with the senju+uchiha blood are able to get it/ so then why didnt he he give those eyes to an uchiha maybe because there body's aren't stong enough? to handle it
what do you guy think
why tobi could be the original zetsu clone made by madara from the 1st dna like yamato he probably did this knowing he could unlock the rinnigan and that he could give it to him(tobi) so he could find a way to bring back his master. and you ask why because his losing body parts like u loss socks and seems to get a new parts which he could take from his zetsu clones
why a senju/uzumaki his able to control the rinnegan so far only people with the senju+uchiha blood are able to get it/ so then why didnt he he give those eyes to an uchiha maybe because there body's aren't stong enough? to handle it
what do you guy think
human kage
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Re: tobi is an senju/uzumaki/ zetsu
when i mean senju/uzumaki i mean arent those clan like the same senju are stronger but the uzumaki aren't far behind look at naruto will power body/stamina
Re: tobi is an senju/uzumaki/ zetsu
There are currently not many possibilities left of whom being Tobi, I personally dont think Tobi being an Uzumaki as he had his Sharingan from the start of when he had his appearance and neither i tihnk he is Obito/Kagami etc. They are just too obvious possibilities and Kishi does not do the obvious thing
Yeah he could be Zetsu clone with ambitions and thoughts of Madara or He is totally a new character (would hate that).
There are currently not many possibilities left of whom being Tobi, I personally dont think Tobi being an Uzumaki as he had his Sharingan from the start of when he had his appearance and neither i tihnk he is Obito/Kagami etc. They are just too obvious possibilities and Kishi does not do the obvious thing
Yeah he could be Zetsu clone with ambitions and thoughts of Madara or He is totally a new character (would hate that).
Re: Tobi (Official Breakdown):All Tobi theories go here:-
All right I have a lot I want to get off my chest so I am just gonna dive right in…
First of all… I think were gonna find out the big mystery in a couple of chapters, but I want to get some ideas out before we do
There are so many theories and suspects out there, some better than others, but I think it’s safe to say we can boil it down to a few
Izuna- this has probably become the most popular theory and there are a lot of reasons why
1. He definitely has motive- feeling betrayed for turning on him and his brother he wants to get back at the Leaf village, got it. He also would be old enough to have the extensive knowledge Tobi seems to have (not that you have to be old to know stuff, but it seems like the older you are the more you know). One thing people seem to point too, when they don’t think its Izuna, is that hes dead…and that maybe true. But, if hes dead, I feel like Kabuto would have revived him with IWR?! Being the second person to unlock MS, hes probably strong enough for Kabuto to try to get at him. Not only that but, Kabuto mentions he couldn’t get Shisui and Jiraya’s DNA and didn’t mention he couldn’t get Izunas? If he couldn’t find Izuna’s body I feel like he would have mentioned that, unless he knew Izuna was alive, but who knows, expect Kishi…and everyones hes told. And of course, there are other reasons why people think its Izuna..same ideals as Madara, the interchanging eyes he seems to go through (Izuna has none so this would make sense) etc
So Izuna seems perfectly probable, but Im gonna move on and tell you why I wont even entertain the idea of Obito, sorry I respect everyone’s opinion, but that one is dumb… maybe hell be brought up in later chapters, but hes definitely NOT TOBI!
Look Tobi has to be some one of age, he HASSSS too. The reason I go to this is because the Kyubbi knows who he is. When Tobi attacks the village and takes control of the fox the fox says “You!”. So he knows, him. And for many years before that, Narutos mom had the fox inside of her, so its not like he could have met Tobi during that time period. He must have met Tobi even before he was locked in Mito, otherwise how could they meet. Kyuubi-MitoNaruto’s mom naruto…had to be before he was locked in Mito, theres no other time he was free and going around meeting people, socializing. I also find it interesting that Tobi could summon the fox, if you look at the chapters where he attacks the village, he summons him to the village from where ever he had him… only other person Ive seen with this ability is Madara… interesting.
2. Tobi is Shisui
This theory definitely has merit… and ive heard some super interesting points on why. However, Im gonna have to try to squash this theory here… With Shisui, there is a Timeline error. And I am going to try to not use the “age” argument against shisui that everone seems to love so much because they think hes too youngto be tobi, because honestly, it’s a dumb argument for anything in the Narutoverse, you never know what peoples abilities are. But here goes, If shisui is Tobi then he attacked the village 16 years prior to where we are now, before his eyes were taken, using the same abilities he has with his current eyes. Then about 10 or so years later, got his eye taken by Danzo, before the Uchiha massacre and I feel like tobi, who is pretty strong, wouldn’t let his eye be taken by Danzo. Then, to what I can only assume is also before the massacre, gives Itachi his other eye and tells Itachi to help him disappear. THENN approaches Itachi (with a mask, even though Itachi knows what he looks like?) and asks to assist Itachi in the massacre, with no eyes at this point? And Itachi even mentions to Sasuke that who he thinks is “Madara” helped him kill his clan, not shisui. Sounds pretty shaky, but you never know, I cant say I have any HARD evidence to say Tobi isn’t shisui, but it seems unreasonable. I will say this though, Kabuto finds it important enough to mention that he couldn’t find Shisui’s body, something I think foreshadowed Shisui having some impact later, what impact?... I don’t know.
3. Tobi is some one from the future?...or something
I don’t see why he cant be…but this is lame, I seriously hope its not this.
4. Tobi is the Juubi, in some human form. This, IMO, is also pretty lame. I get that it might be… And the Kyuubi definitely would know him and he fits a bunch of the criteria.
First, tobi doesn’t seem to have a body, as evidenced by him just ripping off his arm and then him getting hit by Minato’s rasengan and then the goo that comes after.
Second, yeah the motives there, and the extensive knowledge seems to be as well.
Third, lets assume Kisame and Itachi know what Madara looks like, if the Juubi is Tobi, it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility to make his face look like madara and that is why he was able to fool them into thinking he is madara, all though that’s a stretch
Fourth the “im not complete” line fits him as well as anyone.
But, why would Juubi pretend to be Madara? Why would he need to decipher tablets (I assume he would know a lot of that stuff) And why would he hate the leaf village, specifically, like he does? Also Kabuto seems to know who Tobi is, I feel like hed be more respectful towards an unstoppable monster.
But, ill end this for now…If you were able to get through, id like to hear what you think
All right I have a lot I want to get off my chest so I am just gonna dive right in…
First of all… I think were gonna find out the big mystery in a couple of chapters, but I want to get some ideas out before we do
There are so many theories and suspects out there, some better than others, but I think it’s safe to say we can boil it down to a few
Izuna- this has probably become the most popular theory and there are a lot of reasons why
1. He definitely has motive- feeling betrayed for turning on him and his brother he wants to get back at the Leaf village, got it. He also would be old enough to have the extensive knowledge Tobi seems to have (not that you have to be old to know stuff, but it seems like the older you are the more you know). One thing people seem to point too, when they don’t think its Izuna, is that hes dead…and that maybe true. But, if hes dead, I feel like Kabuto would have revived him with IWR?! Being the second person to unlock MS, hes probably strong enough for Kabuto to try to get at him. Not only that but, Kabuto mentions he couldn’t get Shisui and Jiraya’s DNA and didn’t mention he couldn’t get Izunas? If he couldn’t find Izuna’s body I feel like he would have mentioned that, unless he knew Izuna was alive, but who knows, expect Kishi…and everyones hes told. And of course, there are other reasons why people think its Izuna..same ideals as Madara, the interchanging eyes he seems to go through (Izuna has none so this would make sense) etc
So Izuna seems perfectly probable, but Im gonna move on and tell you why I wont even entertain the idea of Obito, sorry I respect everyone’s opinion, but that one is dumb… maybe hell be brought up in later chapters, but hes definitely NOT TOBI!
Look Tobi has to be some one of age, he HASSSS too. The reason I go to this is because the Kyubbi knows who he is. When Tobi attacks the village and takes control of the fox the fox says “You!”. So he knows, him. And for many years before that, Narutos mom had the fox inside of her, so its not like he could have met Tobi during that time period. He must have met Tobi even before he was locked in Mito, otherwise how could they meet. Kyuubi-MitoNaruto’s mom naruto…had to be before he was locked in Mito, theres no other time he was free and going around meeting people, socializing. I also find it interesting that Tobi could summon the fox, if you look at the chapters where he attacks the village, he summons him to the village from where ever he had him… only other person Ive seen with this ability is Madara… interesting.
2. Tobi is Shisui
This theory definitely has merit… and ive heard some super interesting points on why. However, Im gonna have to try to squash this theory here… With Shisui, there is a Timeline error. And I am going to try to not use the “age” argument against shisui that everone seems to love so much because they think hes too youngto be tobi, because honestly, it’s a dumb argument for anything in the Narutoverse, you never know what peoples abilities are. But here goes, If shisui is Tobi then he attacked the village 16 years prior to where we are now, before his eyes were taken, using the same abilities he has with his current eyes. Then about 10 or so years later, got his eye taken by Danzo, before the Uchiha massacre and I feel like tobi, who is pretty strong, wouldn’t let his eye be taken by Danzo. Then, to what I can only assume is also before the massacre, gives Itachi his other eye and tells Itachi to help him disappear. THENN approaches Itachi (with a mask, even though Itachi knows what he looks like?) and asks to assist Itachi in the massacre, with no eyes at this point? And Itachi even mentions to Sasuke that who he thinks is “Madara” helped him kill his clan, not shisui. Sounds pretty shaky, but you never know, I cant say I have any HARD evidence to say Tobi isn’t shisui, but it seems unreasonable. I will say this though, Kabuto finds it important enough to mention that he couldn’t find Shisui’s body, something I think foreshadowed Shisui having some impact later, what impact?... I don’t know.
3. Tobi is some one from the future?...or something
I don’t see why he cant be…but this is lame, I seriously hope its not this.
4. Tobi is the Juubi, in some human form. This, IMO, is also pretty lame. I get that it might be… And the Kyuubi definitely would know him and he fits a bunch of the criteria.
First, tobi doesn’t seem to have a body, as evidenced by him just ripping off his arm and then him getting hit by Minato’s rasengan and then the goo that comes after.
Second, yeah the motives there, and the extensive knowledge seems to be as well.
Third, lets assume Kisame and Itachi know what Madara looks like, if the Juubi is Tobi, it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility to make his face look like madara and that is why he was able to fool them into thinking he is madara, all though that’s a stretch
Fourth the “im not complete” line fits him as well as anyone.
But, why would Juubi pretend to be Madara? Why would he need to decipher tablets (I assume he would know a lot of that stuff) And why would he hate the leaf village, specifically, like he does? Also Kabuto seems to know who Tobi is, I feel like hed be more respectful towards an unstoppable monster.
But, ill end this for now…If you were able to get through, id like to hear what you think
Re: Tobi (Official Breakdown):All Tobi theories go here:-
How can you be for certain that Obito would not comply into doing something like that to achieve it? Anything is possible. Pain and Konan went thru war just like Obito did. They both lost the ones of someone they loved. The loss of they're loved ones and the experience of war evolved them into different people, The same would go for Obito, for he lost his love one too. These tribulations afflicted trauma towards them. It changed they're perspective of the world and believed there is no such thing of ''peace''. Zetsu used this against them in order to manipulate them. So it is not hard to believe that Obito attempted to murder his own teacher, when Nagato did so with no hesitation. They were willing to do whatever it took to achieve peace and kill whoever stood in they're way of achieving this during their process of doing so.
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