[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 560 Discussion and 561 Predictions

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trew but don't forget it is kabuto who is controlling him there he is only as good as kabuto's doing
no, kabuto doesnt control him...he has given free will to show his power...to show the legend of the uchiha...but the legend fails to impress me....lol...so weak for a legend
 

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Madara has to activate his Rinnegan otherwise he will not surviv this battle as He is against one of the best tag teams. Naruto is master of Nine Tails Mode/Sage Mode/Rasengan/RasenShuriken/ShadowClones etc. & Gaara is present sand kazekage & great manipulator of sand.
agreed. Edo EMS Madara's quick defeat was not lame. each village tends to control an element or two, or a few distinct techniques and/or styles, but this is the allied army. every special technique, element mastery, and every style is working together in a show of incredible teamwork. that's why these powerful edos go down so easily. it wasn't naruto and gaara alone. oonoki was instrumental, as well. that's an old legendary kage, a new legendary kage, and the hero that saved the hidden leaf. Of course, Naruto, because of his clones, has an infinite amount of battle training, but Oonoki, because of his age and the prior wars, and Gaara, because of the incredible events of the last 10 years, have quite a bit of serious battle experience as well. The same goes for Sasuke and the Konoha kids. That's why they are so resilient and effective.

Additionally, since the dawn of ninjutsu, there has been this eyes/body tension in the world, and events since have been unfolding at a faster and fiercer rate year by year, culminating in the events of the here and now. Legends of the past were legends in the context of their surroundings and the politics of the time, but, with all the insanity of the recent past, the new legends are at a whole other level. The tension is hitting a critical mass. So, it's no surprise that one of the greatest of all past legends would be quickly defeated by three of the new legends. Kabuto, I imagine, knew this, which is why he tweaked Edo Madara's eyes so that he could trigger Rinnegan as an absolute defense.
 

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no, kabuto doesnt control him...he has given free will to show his power...to show the legend of the uchiha...but the legend fails to impress me....lol...so weak for a legend
In this state he is not weak, but in his Prime he was way weaker than now! If you take a look at the fight between 3th and 1th and 2nd he won against them! and them if you see the battle between 1th and Madara you`ll see that he lost
 

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agreed. Edo EMS Madara's quick defeat was not lame. each village tends to control an element or two, or a few distinct techniques and/or styles, but this is the allied army. every special technique, element mastery, and every style is working together in a show of incredible teamwork. that's why these powerful edos go down so easily. it wasn't naruto and gaara alone. oonoki was instrumental, as well. that's an old legendary kage, a new legendary kage, and the hero that saved the hidden leaf. Of course, Naruto, because of his clones, has an infinite amount of battle training, but Oonoki, because of his age and the prior wars, and Gaara, because of the incredible events of the last 10 years, have quite a bit of serious battle experience as well. The same goes for Sasuke and the Konoha kids. That's why they are so resilient and effective.

Additionally, since the dawn of ninjutsu, there has been this eyes/body tension in the world, and events since have been unfolding at a faster and fiercer rate year by year, culminating in the events of the here and now. Legends of the past were legends in the context of their surroundings and the politics of the time, but, with all the insanity of the recent past, the new legends are at a whole other level. The tension is hitting a critical mass. So, it's no surprise that one of the greatest of all past legends would be quickly defeated by three of the new legends. Kabuto, I imagine, knew this, which is why he tweaked Edo Madara's eyes so that he could trigger Rinnegan as an absolute defense.
in short legends are weaker than the modern heroes...:D
 

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There's a lot of planned intent discovered in this chapter.

The secret stone slab, contains the secrets to Madara's body but it's encoded. We all know Itachi and Sasuke have read this slab, so how much do they know.

Still even more, if the slab contains Madara's knowledge on the Rinnegan as he implies when he asks Kabuto if he did decypher the slab, then we can be sure that Madara had a plan, and an obsession with the Rinnegan for a while. Why would Madara keep a secret "diary" with the information on his body, if not because he already expected it could turn out disastrous.

From all this information, I even more strongly think that Madara had been planning to 'enhance' his own body for a while. Probably from somewhere around the time of his 'presumed' last battle with Harashima. Now, it's very likely he was left half dead after the battle, but somehow managed to pull through. Then he started experimenting with Senju DNA. Very likely this is where Zetsu came into the picture.

I seriously doubt that Black Zetsu was created using Senju DNA, that's where the white ones came from. I still believe Zetsu to be a fragment of the 10 tails and it is the driving force behind Madara. The 10 tails wants to return to its former state, and to do this it needs the power of the one who split it in the first place: the sage of 6 paths.

Think about it, how would Madara know that experimenting with both DNA could awaken the Rinnegan? After all, up to that point it was a legend (even the frog sages know nothing about it apart from it being a power of the old sage). How could Madara possibly know that he could unlock it?

Simple, the 10 tails was part of the sage of 6 paths, and thus knows about his powers very well. For it to recreate a sage, which can return it to its old form, it would need to know how to go about doing this. Logically, this would be to bring back the DNA of both his sons into a single person, in this case Madara.

It started getting complicated when Madara's body started rejecting the Senju DNA and he was essentially dying. Madara had been recording all these changes on the slab so far.
Now only the 10 tails could know that the Rinnegan possessed the power to return the dead to the living world. But even it (Zetsu) fused with the essence of Madara could not perform such a powerful Jutsu. So they needed to transfer the Rinnegan to a suitable subject. Nagato, being Uzumaki and thus with powerful chakra, was the chosen child for this and Zetsu would watch over this child to make sure he could eventually return Madara to the living. This would also solve the problem of Madara's bady rejecting the Senju DNA and would make him the next sage of 6 paths. At that point, he would return the 10 tails to its old form, and this incredible beast could rage over the world, with or without Madara. I'm sure the 10 tails is withholding info about how to seal it from Madara.

The eye of the moon plan (which is just a spiffy name for bringing back the 10 tails) was not a priority for Madara imo, this is Zetsu who has since then been looking into was to return its old self without the help of Madara, making sure it could not be stopped.

At this point, edo Madara is too powerful. He is in fact the new sage in an undead form. He will only be defeated by Itachi ending the edo, but not before giving away that Tobi has his own agenda by now and must be stopped. The series will end with Naruto and Sasuke, having to work together to equal the power of the sage, and seal away the tailed demon for good. Madara wanted to be strong enough to control the world, but doesn't want to destroy it like the 10 tails wants. From the history we know about Madara, he's all about getting power and making people follow him.

Well, just my 2 cents :)
Your on the right path!!!! Glad to see you also feel that Black Zestu is a human form of the 10 tails Juubi....And that why Madara and Tobi/Madara knows so much about the past and future. I believe Black Zestu told Madara about his future that he foreseen, he told him about his own death, Nagato, and that he was going to be resurrected <<< But he bent the truth. Bottom-line is this is not about Madara becoming the SO6P and the Moons eye plan... This is about The 10 tails Juubi being resurrected to take revenge upon the world. Just think! If the Kyuubi hate being trapped as a host in a human body. What make you think the 10 tails Juubi wants to be trapped in a human body. I'm sure he was giving the SO6P hell the hold time he was contained in him.

Bravo to you man... Your a Elite thinker....
 

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I agree, but Kabuto was always known for his intelligence and not his other skills.
Want to see him beat badly by Itachi..
 

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LOL i just took notice, so nagato was the third sage of six paths , so that means tobi was right because madara was the second. madara and tobi planted the eyes into toddler nagato and he then became the third when he first activated it.
 

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The Senju clan is not the good guys or the bad guys. The same goes for the Uchiha clan.

I just think when it comes to obtaining the forbidden eyes of the 10 tails Juubi Rinnegan you start to lose yourself into the darkness. The darkness is Black Zestu. Black Zestu is that 10th tail into a human form, that was separated from the Juubi into Bijuus.

Logic!!!! Let's apply subtraction here... If the Juubi had 10 tails and you subtract 9. How many do you have left? Please don't say the other tail is the body that's in the moon....
 

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Okay now its confusing more and more. The Madara split theorie is just dumb.
If Tobi would be a split of Madara none of them would possess so high level skills and jutsus like they did and do right now. Never though about it but think about Muuju or however his name was. After split he couldnt even remove a single seal or use Dust Jutsu...

Madara has his full potential and Tobi too in some way (without a real body).
By the fact Kisame convinced the man with the mask is Madara it must be a Zetsu Clone because they can imitate their owner :p

And if not Im going to start my own Naruto Manga xD
 

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the face recognition works whereby the jutsu activates when recognising a face, not a name. its tobi's face itachi set the jutsu for regardless of wot he calls himself
it is mentioned in the manga that amaterasu activated reacting to tobi's sharingan, not his face or his chakra or whatever else.... (pg 10 of ch 397)
 

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it is mentioned in the manga that amaterasu activated reacting to tobi's sharingan, not his face or his chakra or whatever else.... (pg 10 of ch 397)
Does this mean Tobi isnt able to turn off his sharingan? Isnt it?
Wait a second. Tobi is Itachi thats why he knew his secret :p

No Im kidding... ^^
 

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Freaking amazing!!!!!!!!!! Cannot believe i have to wait an entire week for more :'(
Madara is unstoppable. Can't wait to see what naruto will do this time round...
Have no idea who the masked guy is... Why is he using Madara's identinty.. Loving the mystery though :) I love naruto!!!
 

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in short legends are weaker than the modern heroes...:D
well, yes, that, because of the increasingly turbulent times moving toward a final resolution, and that the combined abilities of all villages working in concert are the perfect counter to any one legend, no matter how powerful.
 
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I meant similar DNA correction... Where I'm getting at is Madara fought because he knew he had to push his EMS to it's limits meaning dying in battle to gain the Rinnegan ability it's forbidden to obtain these gods like eyes for a reason. Think about it, if Madara needed Hashirama DNA he could of had a medical ninja someone in the inside to get that, The Hokages are not secluded or isolated from the people of the village. Logic:eek:
I think you and I need to hug and make up.

But seriously, I agree with you. ^_^

Hashirama was great and all but you don't NEED his cells or his lineage to hold the god damn Rinnegan. All one has to do is think about the fact that one son gained the eye's of the So6P while the other gained the his body. That should mean the eldest inherited the Rinnegan - weather or not he had to build up to it or not, like every other Uchiha, is the real question. My answer: of course the eldest had to work for it! Just like Madara.

How did he? That seem to be unanswerable at this point. My first inclination was that the Rinnegan was a combo of the EMS and the Byakugan but ... there really isn't a way to know.

As you said earlier - logic.

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Ok all these new revelations is really exciting. But Kishi is taking it a bit too far with Kabuto. I mean this guys has already been controlling a lot of guys with the Edo Tensei and not to mention most of the strongest ninjas the world has ever seen. And now he summons the epic Uchiha Madara, all this is just ridiculous. I really want to see Itachi going to Kabuto's place and see how can he undo the Edo Tensei.
It would have been awesome if Itachi had been watching Kabuto demonstrating Edo Tensei to Tobi through a crow clone - then as soon as he get's there just bust out some forbidden ninpo, all his own, all up and down Kabuto!

Take that you abomination!
 

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Lets just assume that Tobi isn't Madara then why would he use Madara's identity. The only logical explanation is that Madara knew Tobi and both of them knew about the Rinnegan and Nagato.
 
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