[Theory] [Official]The Giant Tobi Discussion/Theory Thread

[Kill4FuN]

Re: Now that we know the 6th Coffin is Madara...

Tobi is Madara!

First of all, Madara's brother died and starting to discuss if he did not is way too much than simply assuming that Madara just managed to survive after his fight against 1st hokage, let's see some facts to make sense what I just said:

1- Nagato would use Rinne Tensei to revive his true body. This is the only acceptable reason to give such power away, since madara gave the rinnegan to nagato (the only other option would be that madara gave the rinnegan so nagato could save him from dying, but this is a stupid plan IMHO, would make the story weak).

2- Tobi being a shell makes total sense, because even he says that he lost most of his powers after the fight against the 1st hokage; he is empty, he is just part of what he used to be, but he knows what he must do to get a power even bigger than he had before, that is his plan even if he still isn't powerful as he used to
This image will explain demonstrate what I'm saying:

(first post so I can't show you the image... but it is page 12 on chapter 510)

3- He can't be the 2nd user of the rinnegan, because it just wouldn't make sense that he gave his eyes to a kid... Makes more sense to believe that Madara stealed the eyes of the second user of the rinnegan and gave them to nagato

4- it is obvious that he can grow his arm back because he has the cells of the 1st hokage... he is weak now because he "died" somehow in that previous battle, but was his plan so he could become even more powerful and it makes sense because now he seems to be immortal, he has the EMS and a rinnegan (plus the 6 jinchuurikis)

5- he was afraid of the 6th coffin because kabuto had the body of one of the most powerful ninjas, isn't that enought? if that isn't enought then what do you expect when you see someone with YOUR BODY and ready to use it against you, if necessary?

6- kabuto called him tobi because kabuto always knew him like that, remember that kabuto was assisting orochimaru at the beggining? then he said that forgot that Madara no longer answers as Tobi
and the secret that kabuto wouldn't tell anyone is simply the answer to our question: why there is a dead uchiha madara in the 6th coffin if madara is still alive? get it? madara was surprised to see his true body AND for kabuto knowing his secret

Well, I could argue more but I think it's obvious that Madara had something bigger planned and presuming that he LIED on every single chapter would make the manga poor being said is what really is (I'm tired, sorry if I'm not clear haha)

 

[Rodukaime Namikaze]

Re: Why The F*** do people think that tobi is obito

I'll tell you why.

O, B, I, T, O = Tobi

T, O, B, I = Obit+o = Obito

solid enough proof for me.

That's a lame reason :|

 

[Foetoid]

Re: My Theory on the truth of Madara. (Spoilers!!)

Itachis Amaterasu activates on Madaras MS! So Tobi got Madaras Eyes, he stole AFTER Madaras death. Thats simple. It could be Zetsu, but i really doubt it. I think Tobi is a Senju, strongly related to the so6p.

But also, Zetsu clones copies everything, which would have to include the kekkai genkai, which would include Madaras MS. People do age. Madara would be an ancient relic by this stage of the manga, but if he was a zetsu clone who may or may not be controlled by his actual soul, he wouldn't age.

 

[Overrated]

Re: Why The F*** do people think that tobi is obito

That's a lame reason :|

But they have the same haircut aswell... Thats gotta count as proof.

 

[lostintheocean]

Re: Why The F*** do people think that tobi is obito

Not really i thinks its deff. uchiha kagami wanna know why? heres my theory Boy.

its Madara who was in the coffin and so i did this theory about who I think the person claiming to be Madara is many things come from others so i dont take credit for anything.

I believe that Tobi is Kagami Uchiha.

Kagami Uchiha was in the same team as Danzo Shimura, Hiruzen Sarutobi, Torifu Akimichi, Homura Mitokado and Koharu Utatane.
These people were trained by the Second Hokage so they were alive when Madara and Hashirama was alive aswell. When Madara was killed by Hashirama Kagami swore to avenge Madara. Madara was his hero and Kagami followed his warideals.+
Tobirama knew this because he was his master and thats why he secluded the Uchihas to prevent an uprising.
After the first Shinobi world war. The Second Hokages unit came very far. Danzo created Root, Hiruzen became Hokage and Homura and Koharu became respected advisors to the Hokages. Kagami tried to provoke the Second Shinobi war. Nagato said that Konoha started this war. Hiruzen was Hokage during this and he wouldnt do this but Nagato was not wrong. It was Kagami who was a konoha ninja who started the war and made it look like Konoha was to blame.
It was during the second shinobi war that Nagato awakend the Rinnegan and the original akatsuki was formed by Yahiko Konan and Nagato.
As they gained a bigger reputation Hanzo tried to destroy them and he got help from Danzo. After Nagato had used the rinnegan against them. Danzo told Kagami about this event since Kagami was close to him, Kagami was also part of the Anbu Root. Thats why he has masks and the black anbu cloak to conceal his identity.

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As Kagami heard about the Rinnegans existance he went to Nagato and used his hatred into overthrowing Hanzo and changing the Akatsuki to go after Bijuus.
Kagamis had been hoping that someone would awaken the rinnegan by the war. Thats why he claimed to be the one to spur Yahiko into forming the Akatsuki and to give Nagato the Rinnegan because he was the one to blame for the war.

Then we move on the the Uchiha slaughter.
But first I want to add that Kagami is about the same age as Danzo, Koharu and Homura as we can see here:

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If he really was Immortal then he wouldnt have aged like that. And he wouldnt have cursed Nagato for using his healing technique and saying that he needed it. Kagami is as old as Hiruzen and Danzo would have been and as Koharu and Homura is and he is not immortal. He cant get immortal just from using Hashiramas cells, otherwise why isnt Hashirama alive today? And why didnt Orochimaru use it since he also experimented on it?

Back to Uchiha.

Kagami was trying to start the Uchihas coup d'eat to take over Konohagakure.
The people that were strongly against Kagami was ofcourse Itachi and Shisui. Itachi kept it secret because his father told him so as he feared for Itachis life. But Shisui confronted Kagami about this. And then agami killed him. By doing so Itachi awakend the Mangekyo sharingan just like Kakashi awakened his from Obitos death. You dont have to kill you best friend only know of his death. Its the suffering thats important, i think.
When the Police confronted Itachi about Shisuis death Itachi got really angry and you can see his father silencing him and coming up with an excuse so that he wouldnt be in danger. This also proves that Itachi was not
a dubbelspy as he would have needed to be emotionless to pull that off but he wasnt. He didnt become that until after the slaughter of the clan.
Eventually the Uchiha clan refused the coup d'eat and Kagami felt as outcasted as Madara had been this led to him spilling the beans about the Uchihas plans not telling them he was behind it instead telling them the Uchihas were actually going to do it. As they didnt know better since the Uchihas were secluded from the village they believed him and Danzo ordered him and Itachi to carry out the job of the mass slaughter. But really this was Kagamis revenge for Madara and himself against the clan.
Itachi might not even have killed the people he loved as Kagami told Sasuske it might have been Kagami. But as they died his eyepowers grew bigger. The reason why Itachi never told Sasuke the truth was because if Sasuke would know then Kagami would kill him. Thats why he blamed himself.
He lied to Sasuke telling him he had a desire for power. And he assulted him because he wanted there to be absolutely no chance that Sasuke would know that Kagami was behind it because then Sasuke might find out that Madara was really Kagami and then Kagami would kill him.
He was also leaking information from Akatsuki to Jiraya so Jiraya knew the truth about him (but not entierly as he didnt know of Kagami and Itachi assulted Sasuke when he saw Jiraya because he was afraid Jiraya have revealed something and he wanted to make sure Sasuke wouldt believe it.
Itachi also took on the mission to hunt down the 9tails as he did not want Naruto to be captured. Its safe to say he and Kisame could have put up a bigger fight against Jiraya but didnt because Itachi didnt want to capture Naruto as he was Sasukes best friend. He might have also told Jiraya about them coming so that he could protect Naruto.
When Itachi was fighting Sasuke he chose the Uchiha hideout because he wanted it to be destroyed because it was probably something Kagami liked. Perhaps Madara built the throne in that place.
Itachi told Sasuke when he confronted him that Madara was an utterless defeated loser. (or something like that). He still couldnt tell him the truth since Zetsu was recording the fight. Kagami wanted to whatch it so that he would know Itachi didnt reveal anything. But Itachi sent a coded message because it is true that Madara was a defeated loser.
The real Madara never brought the Uchia to victory over the Senju. He became an outcast from his own clan and he was defeated by Hashirama as he fought him in revenge for not getting the Hokage seat. The real Madara would never accomplish what Kagami has done.
Kagami also dousnt look like Madara. The hair is different and even the face seems different.

Now i move on to Kabuto.
Kabuto knows the thruth probably since he had worked with Orochimaru and Orochimaruhad worked with Danzo so even if Danzo didnt know what became of Kagami, Kabuto figured it out.
Kagami would not want to fight Madara and he would most certanly not want people to find out his true identity. He wants to kill Kabuto for knowing his secret but cant know because he needs him in the war.
And Kabuto doues not want Sasuke to kill him. He probably wants to thank him for killing Orochimaru as he has not grown to be more powerful and not just a pet to Orochimaru. And he wants to reveal the secret of Kagami to Sasuke so that Sasuke would aim all his hatred to him because he is responsible for Itachis suffering and not the Konohaleaders.


The picture of Kagami also matches "Tobi" he first took the identity of Tobi as a joke inspiered by his selfish image of Tobirama seeing him as an idiot.

madara was alive to see nagato
this means he did not die against the 1st

 

[Bruce Banner]

Re: Why The F*** do people think that tobi is obito

Look good enough for me.

What...? just good?
it's a solid proof ya know

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or do you want me to make Tobi is Conan? lol

 

[Gouki]

Re: Why The F*** do people think that tobi is obito

Tobi is Charlie Seen
Here is the proof :

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roflmfaolol


with logic like tobi is obito because of the spelling... ur still morons because tobi could be short for... i dunno tobirama U_U


seeing how none of those options are likely to be true imma just go with tobi is madara/zetsu clone thing to carry on madara's will in the world of the living as he pimps the world of the dead.

 

[-Yard-]

Re: Why The F*** do people think that tobi is obito

That's a lame reason :|

It's the only possible one, it has a T in it dude, a T! Is there a T in Izuna? No. T is the most awesome letter, so it has to be him.

 

[DJ Malik]

Re: Why The F*** do people think that tobi is obito

I'm almost begging the NB Staff to put the Zero Tolerance rule in place. I mean seriously, these threads aren't needed. If it gets to you that bad, discuss it via VM/PM/MSN or anything other than making a thread about it.

 

[kisamexRocks]

Re: My Theory on the truth of Madara. (Spoilers!!)

It;s not Zetsu at all. There is a very simple explenation as too why there is a living Madara and a Edo Tensei Madara and it came to me while I was at work. It actually can work and since I don't wanna spend the time and sh*t looking for information on my gf's lame Macbook, I'll just create it tomorrow when I get home. It's makes sense and is probably the most plausible one out of all this stupid Zetsu clone, shisui, kagami, ***aku(what ever), izuna threads.

 

[Igneel]

Re: Why The F*** do people think that tobi is obito

Maybe zero tolerance isn't such a bad idea after all......

xd ...... in every section there is threads on this same topic...

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Re: Interesting point about Tobi and Madara.

I agree with all of you guys, this chapter had me really excited.

Not important, but did you see Madara looking down on the Shinobi force? We know that in Naruto, hatred is a driving force. Sasuke has even used it as a weapon to give his body certain types of strength.

This Madara looks like he hates EVERYTHING. I can't wait to see him in battle. I personally wonder if they will be able to wound him (not that it matters since he's an Edo Tensei zombie).

But like I said before, if Tobi, who claimed to have given the Rinnegan to Nagato through unknown means when he talked to Konan DID intend Edo Tensei to be used by himself, then I think the evidence actually points out that Madara *is* using two bodies. I also agree with Floydical, the fact that the Edo Madara came out of the casket mentioning Nagato (which I thought Madara would have been "dead" at the time Nagato was even around), then it may prove the two body theory. He did express shock that this was actually Edo Tensei. Muu mentioned that he was summoned by Edo Tensei and Madara said, "Did you say Edo Tensei?"

Another thing that I just realized, Oonoki fought Madara in the past. Likely before he became Tobi. He knew that Madara's eyes had the ability to force people to reveal things they are trying to keep hidden. While Sasuke has been shown using this, it doesn't seem to be TOO common of an Uchiha ability. We never saw Itachi or Kakashi or any other Uchiha use this, so evidence states that it isn't a totally common ability. When Yamato was captured, Oonoki noted that if Madara uses his eye techniques, "It would be all over". Madara DID indeed use it.



Kishimoto, good job. I'm stumped.

 

[Foetoid]

Re: My Theory on the truth of Madara. (Spoilers!!)

It;s not Zetsu at all. There is a very simple explenation as too why there is a living Madara and a Edo Tensei Madara and it came to me while I was at work. It actually can work and since I don't wanna spend the time and sh*t looking for information on my gf's lame Macbook, I'll just create it tomorrow when I get home. It's makes sense and is probably the most plausible one out of all this stupid Zetsu clone, shisui, kagami, ***aku(what ever), izuna threads.

Does it also explain how when Tobi tore off his arm is was all white and gooey, and how he grew it back, and why he's always avoiding battle because he's weak (like Zetsu is). My theory isn't without merit and it explains everything but i'm also looking forward to seeing your theory.

 

[Primera]

Re: Who Is Tobi

Great theoiries bro, the truth gotta be one of them

 

[Brucewen001]

Re: tobi is obito

Tobi = obito impossible
Reasons:
1) age difference @the attack time.
2) obito had only one sharingan left (crushed) but tobi had two (one was used in izanagi)
3) obito personality doesn't fit for tobi.character difference
4) tobi is best mastermind yet, he fooled everyone, but obito is best fool who can't even fool konohamaru.
Enough reasons I guess

 

[kisamexRocks]

Re: Interesting point about Tobi and Madara.

Actually there is a possibility that Madara is Tobi and Edo Tensei at the same time.

 

[vandell]

Re: Poll for the man behind the mask lets see if NB gets it right

I think the mask man is Izuna Uchiha or Obito Uchiha, Kagami Uchiha, or the leader of the whirlpool where naruto mother is from, that's it no one else can be him the sage is a joke stop saying that. ok Izununa would want to get back at the leaf for the second hoakge killing his brother, obitio would want to get back the leaf for letting the love of his life ren die, kagami might be the mask man because he said to danzo when sasuke was fighting him we meet again danzo, which mean he could known danzo from been on the same team together and thats why he has all those sharingan because he help danzo plot the killing of the Uchiha to steal the eyes and found madara eyes and put them in, it would make sense how we would no where naruto was been born and how to get in because he was from the leaf, or its the leader from the whirl pool where naruto mother is from, she said that the second hoakage was their first cousin and the leaf let them get destroy,so i can see how he could be piss, thanks for nothing fam, and now he wants to destroy the leaf like his village was destroy[

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[kisamexRocks]

Re: My Theory on the truth of Madara. (Spoilers!!)

Does it also explain how when Tobi tore off his arm is was all white and gooey, and how he grew it back, and why he's always avoiding battle because he's weak (like Zetsu is). My theory isn't without merit and it explains everything but i'm also looking forward to seeing your theory.

Actually it does explain it and makes more sense than these stupid HE IS A ZETSU CLONE threads. When Itachi's Amaterasu hit him he took it into another dimension. If it were a zetsu clone it would be dead.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Re: Interesting point about Tobi and Madara.

Actually there is a possibility that Madara is Tobi and Edo Tensei at the same time.

Haha... Hence what the thread is about xd

 

[Foetoid]

Re: My Theory on the truth of Madara. (Spoilers!!)

Actually it does explain it and makes more sense than these stupid HE IS A ZETSU CLONE threads. When Itachi's Amaterasu hit him he took it into another dimension. If it were a zetsu clone it would be dead.

A zetsu clone copies ALL abilities. Theres no reason why Madara didn't know the space-time transportation technique, its just never been shown. A zetsu clone would know the ability too if he absorbed it from Madara.