[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion and 560 Predictions

[biencarl213pein]

Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

yoh!

 

[Ben642]

Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

I also had another thought and idea to add to the discussion. What if the 6th coffin is not anything related to madara directly. But it is actually the Sage of Six Paths. :S

 

[BeezyDAGod41]

Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

nice theory. if it pans out u outta ask the website to give u something for making the best possible theory.

 

[Fission]

Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

Perhaps..........

 

[lvnaruto]

Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

people people you all be surprised ,and i will if this is right, which it wont be

 

[EternalMangekyouRinnegan]

Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

I also had another thought and idea to add to the discussion. What if the 6th coffin is not anything related to madara directly. But it is actually the Sage of Six Paths. :S

This guy deserves a nobel prize xd How did you come up with your incredible theory?

 

[ssanimo]

Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

you have a very good theory here!

but before i go through my own details, i'd like you to personally answer the following questions:
1. do you have a bit of suspicion who tobi is right now?...still "not being madara"?
2. do you believe in what madara's deception could bring in as ideas in your exemplary theory? tobi-madara's mask? why wear it? tobi-madara's changeable personalities from then hereon this 527 chap?
3. why show himself as madara to "kisame" only? and where is kisame?
4. edo tensei's explanation of the pure world is still questionable. during harashima-madara fight, there was no edo tensei in place for the 1st or madara's disposal. i mean, madara could have been killed "physically" but his spiritual self was a success against the great harashima -- here i mean, he got harashima's dna in a "bodily defeat". did madara know such a forbidden jutsu?

now going back to your 6th coffin theory...

mine was 1. so6p and 2. madara
...and i repeat, so6p could be edo tensei "if and only if" kabuto got the access to the sage's tomb and got the opportunity to get dna samples from preserved bones.

then...here is yours, madara could be edoed as well provided that madara died and kabuto accessed his dna.
---*an important observation would be...why would tobi-madara be rattled in the sight of an "edo-madara"? tobi-madara as a shell of his former self (my opinion) is still more powerful than an edo madara. this is so because, kabuto will be the one to control the summon. tobi-marara and edo-madara would probably engage in a talk no jutsu fight (lol) and eventually edo madara's soul be released again. should kabuto twitches edo madara's mind, tobi-madara would really easily dispose of an edo madara (look at zabuza and kakashi fight...)
---tobi-madara and edo madara would be "under a terrible space/time jutsu not known in the Naruto manga world" should they fight and create contact with themselves..."*no two identical identities would be able to exist at the same space at the same time*"(a basic scientific concept") - this was my premise why tobi-madara was hesitant to engage kabuto and was forced to ally with the serpent...even with the rinnegan-- i believe.

harashima could contain a bijuu---this is assumed. if he could seal...remains a wait and see theory...probable assumption as well...
if madara soul was sealed..say with an SF type of jutsu only the 1st had, i guess madara couldn't be summoned--right?

tobi-madara's desire to get "the reincarnation jutsu" from nagato is still a query. we saw a nagato rinne tensei (and was explained) to be able to bring the dead back to life within "a limited time frame" -- after the death- only.
tobi-madara would be referring to something else here...and one of kishi's cards and aces....

lastly, 527 showed atsui and samui's still alive after their souls were pulled out, cut free and cursed. psyche power was still intact with them. but the chap showed they were already helpless. they were just babbling until their souls were sealed.

your theory will be "magnified" should darui manage to pull this fight off after his soul was pulled out, cut free and cursed.

it is an honor to be invited to this great thread!

ok sorry bout late response....but better late then never right?!

1- no i'm sold on this one

2- i think i am getting a better grasp of the truth hidden within his lies.....and well he was wearing it before to hide his identity.....and who knows he just be keeping it on from habbit or maybe cuz itachi trap is active indefinitly.....plus its kind of to his advantage to keep his foes guessing

3- this ones hard to guess....... but i figure they bumped into one another during his time controlling the mizukage.....and well since it seems kisame is a fan of the blood mist ways i'm guessing they got along great.........kisame knew that his village leader was being controlled.. (samehada probably sensed him).. but he didn't care cuz he enjoyed his free license to kill that came with madara's orders.. and well since madara was keeping the other akatsuki in the dark he was acting as tobi.....and with itachi gone, kisame was probably going to bounce

4- i'm saying he hasn't ever died......his soul was somehow stripped of his body and now resides in the pure world.....left there for kabuto to summon as he wishes.....(kabuto simplely needs dna,a living body and a soul residing in the pure world to preform edo tensai)

thats why he needed nagato's tech./felt betrayed

and why he was stunned at the sight of the 6th edo.......and didn't want to fight at the time (he probably felt he could win he had to.....as he knows himself better than anyone......however it wouldn't of been easy)

think about it he didn't start getting too cheaky with kabuto until after he obtained rinnegan, at which time he regained the upper hand

and in regards to darui and his soul.....well he doesn't have access to hajirama's dna.......that is what i believe has allowed madara to make it this far

the only thing you brought up that stumped was the time issure with nagatos tech.......i dont recall there being a time limit......it seemed to me the time limit nagato spoke of, was his own.....could he finish the technique before he ran out of chakra and died?

hope this helps clarify things.......and yes i know i hop back and forth over the fence quit ofter.......but imma chill on this side for a bit..

peace out

 

[jabznaruto]

Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

QUOTE=ssanimo

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ok sorry bout late response....but better late then never right?!

1- no i'm sold on this one

2- i think i am getting a better grasp of the truth hidden within his lies.....and well he was wearing it before to hide his identity.....and who knows he just be keeping it on from habbit or maybe cuz itachi trap is active indefinitly.....plus its kind of to his advantage to keep his foes guessing

3- this ones hard to guess....... but i figure they bumped into one another during his time controlling the mizukage.....and well since it seems kisame is a fan of the blood mist ways i'm guessing they got along great.........kisame knew that his village leader was being controlled.. (samehada probably sensed him).. but he didn't care cuz he enjoyed his free license to kill that came with madara's orders.. and well since madara was keeping the other akatsuki in the dark he was acting as tobi.....and with itachi gone, kisame was probably going to bounce

4- i'm saying he hasn't ever died......his soul was somehow stripped of his body and now resides in the pure world.....left there for kabuto to summon as he wishes.....(kabuto simplely needs dna,a living body and a soul residing in the pure world to preform edo tensai)

thats why he needed nagato's tech./felt betrayed

and why he was stunned at the sight of the 6th edo.......and didn't want to fight at the time (he probably felt he could win he had to.....as he knows himself better than anyone......however it wouldn't of been easy)

think about it he didn't start getting too cheaky with kabuto until after he obtained rinnegan, at which time he regained the upper hand

and in regards to darui and his soul.....well he doesn't have access to hajirama's dna.......that is what i believe has allowed madara to make it this far

the only thing you brought up that stumped was the time issure with nagatos tech.......i dont recall there being a time limit......it seemed to me the time limit nagato spoke of, was his own.....could he finish the technique before he ran out of chakra and died?

hope this helps clarify things.......and yes i know i hop back and forth over the fence quit ofter.......but imma chill on this side for a bit..

peace out

okay, seems you really have your tickets for this...
you only have to seek what sealing tech was it that harashima used against madara.

and re kisame, the guy was loyal. i believe madara was also studying kisame's water affinity. madara does not have it right dude?

anyways...seems you gotta good theory here, hope you could get the conclusion soon...

til next ssanimo..

 

[yondaimeminato]

Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

4- i'm saying he hasn't ever died......his soul was somehow stripped of his body and now resides in the pure world.....left there for kabuto to summon as he wishes.....(kabuto simplely needs dna,a living body and a soul residing in the pure world to preform edo tensai)

soooo.... you are saying that tobi/madara/masked man does not have madara's soul or anything and that he is just another person.

You are also implying what this unknown masked man saw in the last coffin was madara's over 100 years old real body? idk if kabuto can even do this

your idea of how edo tensei works is completely wrong

You are saying that kabuto would perform this ritual of summoning soul right before madara's eye? Madara would have enough time to stop kabuto from completing his ritual

this takes time and what madara/masked man/tobi would have saw in coffin wouldn't be anyone that would make him react the way he did. What was in the last coffin had to be someone who madara fears. He would have just saw a living sacrificial body if anything. Then kabuto would have his dna.

Madara was stunned by what he saw in the coffin. What is in the last coffin is a person who personified the summoned soul. The soul is no longer in the pure world. The soul is inside the sacrificial living human which is why they take the shape of person who is being summoned because the soul is already inside them.

You are saying that kabuto didn't summon the soul yet, but he did summon the soul or else the living sacrificial body wouldn't have taken the appearance of the summoned soul.

I didn't see kabuto saying madara " ok madara, you see this living sacrificial human body in this last coffin? this will become you because I have your dna with me and I can take away the madara soul that resides inside the pure world and you will be in a lot of trouble. " He didn't say this. Madara was stunned by a coffin with a living human body already personifying the soul summoned.

We are not talking about summoning bodies. Edo tensei doesn't work like this. We are talking about souls here.

The correct question would be...

what soul did kabuto summon in the last coffin? or whose soul did kabuto summon in the last coffin?


this theory fails because of edo tensei and the fact that living humans can not live without their soul.

I really feel sorry to see so many blinded people who failed to see this huge flaw.

 

[Omningan]

Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

I've thought about this, and it's not possible for Madara/Tobi to be an Edo Summon, and for Kabuto to also have Madara as an Edo Summon at the same time.
Madara's soul can only exist in one place at one time.

If you want to say the current Madara'Tobi is an Edo Summon, that is interesting, but I would disagree, we have seen him be hurt and injured and he did not regenerate the way that the Edo Summons do...so this is ruled out because it does not conform with what we know about Edo Summons...

If you want to say that the real Madara is in the sixth coffin, that is interesting as well, and can not really be entirely disproved. However, he can not be both at the same time. The real Madara can not be alive and an Edo Summon simultaneously. His soul can only exist in one place at any one time. This theory fails simply because you are saying that is possible for his soul to be in two places at the same time.

Sorry, but I have to disagree.

 

[EternalMangekyouRinnegan]

Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

I've thought about this, and it's not possible for Madara/Tobi to be an Edo Summon, and for Kabuto to also have Madara as an Edo Summon at the same time.
Madara's soul can only exist in one place at one time.

If you want to say the current Madara'Tobi is an Edo Summon, that is interesting, but I would disagree, we have seen him be hurt and injured and he did not regenerate the way that the Edo Summons do...so this is ruled out because it does not conform with what we know about Edo Summons...

If you want to say that the real Madara is in the sixth coffin, that is interesting as well, and can not really be entirely disproved. However, he can not be both at the same time. The real Madara can not be alive and an Edo Summon simultaneously. His soul can only exist in one place at any one time. This theory fails simply because you are saying that is possible for his soul to be in two places at the same time.

Sorry, but I have to disagree.

Im not sure that's what he ment. He suggests that Madaras soul is trapped in pure world (or somewhere else) and the Madara we see now is somewhat souless but a conciouss being.

Kin-Gin bros can take the soul out of the person and that person can still be conciouss.

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Here they suck away the souls and Samui with her brother are still alive

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And here Samui says that their souls have been taken hostage

So technicly it's possible to be alive and have your soul summoned as a Edo Tensei, imo.

Madara reminds me of Anubis from Stargate - Sg1

If you want to say the current Madara'Tobi is an Edo Summon, that is interesting, but I would disagree, we have seen him be hurt and injured and he did not regenerate the way that the Edo Summons do...so this is ruled out because it does not conform with what we know about Edo Summons...

Exactly, we do not know much about the REAL Edo Tensei summons. The ones we see now is created by Orochimaru and upgraded by Kabuto but we do not know how this jutsu worked when 2nd Hokage used it and if Tobi was an Edo Tensei summon he wouldn't be and work the same way as the Edo Tenseis we see now.

Here's a thought. Madaras body has some connection with Zetsu. He lost his limbs three times already(vs Minato,Konan,Torune) and somehow he replaced them all of the time.
Some say he has a body of Zetsu, others say he just uses Zetsu to replace his damaged body parts but what if Zetsu is actually a creation of the first Hokage? We see that Hashiramas cells power up him, Yamatos cells(also Hashiramas) even more. What if Hashirama created Zetsu, soulless organic body, so that souls summoned with Edo Tensei can posses it?
That way you wouldn't need a living sacrifice and 2nd Hokage wouldn't look like an evil guy.
This could actually explain how can white zetsu copy others, their looks and all of their techs and even their chakra. That's basicly what Edo Tensei does. Because Oro wasn't Hashirama and he didn't have his powers, he created his own method of using Edo Tensei, by using living sacrifices.

Meh, just a little thought that bumped into my mind :flaw:

 

[BigTDogg220]

Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

Chapter 527 answered the questions


you know what i liked about this chapter??

it solves the madara/tobi mystery for me!!

i never believed he was real madara until now......why, because the shell of his former self thing (i thought that there was no way for his mind and body to act without a soul)

but thats obviously not the case as chap. 527 proved that cuz samui,atsui and darui were still concious.....

so.....to me that means madara is tobi-tobi is madara

and madara's soul is somehow trapped in the pure world....(some awesome 1st hokage sealing tech. or sumthin prob. the cause of this.......he danm sure wasn't beatin with wood no jutsu and is seen with huge scroll in his famous panel vs madara)

this is why madara needed nagato to use gedo on him!!!!!

and yes this also explains the 6th coffin.......if his soul is trapped in the pure world them kabuto would have the capability of summoning him......even tho he still existed........according to the rules of edo-tensai as we currently know them

and since madara is only a shell of his former self and edo summons come back with powers fully in tact, the edo would technically be stronger.......but madara still has his own advantage as he knows his self better than anyone

that would explain their reluctancy to fight one another and madara's reaction

so to wrap it up.......

madara is madara....tobi is madara

and sixth coffin is madara

I like what you said here, my only question is if it's as simple as using Edo Tensei to solve Madara's problem than why hasn't Madara used it since he got the rinnegan?

 

[budin_black]

Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

please read chapter 510 back.. dont make a speculation, u guys is making me a headache.. tobi is madara, tobi is madara, tobi is madara..

 

[ssanimo]

Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

I've thought about this, and it's not possible for Madara/Tobi to be an Edo Summon, and for Kabuto to also have Madara as an Edo Summon at the same time.
Madara's soul can only exist in one place at one time.

If you want to say the current Madara'Tobi is an Edo Summon, that is interesting, but I would disagree, we have seen him be hurt and injured and he did not regenerate the way that the Edo Summons do...so this is ruled out because it does not conform with what we know about Edo Summons...

If you want to say that the real Madara is in the sixth coffin, that is interesting as well, and can not really be entirely disproved. However, he can not be both at the same time. The real Madara can not be alive and an Edo Summon simultaneously. His soul can only exist in one place at any one time. This theory fails simply because you are saying that is possible for his soul to be in two places at the same time.

Sorry, but I have to disagree.

ok i'll try again...........

current madara = madaras body,mind and chakra(though not all of it) + hashirama dna and rinnegan (not a edo but the real deal)

edo madara = would have younger body with ems......all the powers he had when he fought hashirama

madara needed nagato to retrieve his soul from the pure world in order to be "complete"

was he mortally wounded when he fought hashirama???.........yes

how has he lived so long without soul????..........hashiramas dna and the "life energy" that comes with it


look its a theory guys........and be honest.....is there a better one out there??
there maybe holes in it....but they are smaller,fewer and far between than other theories

hell no.....i know cuz i have read them all....


and to be honest i am more of a reader than a poster......this has become a pain in the ass tryin to answer all these replies....though they are apreciated

so i think i will leave it as is........and leave it to your imaginations

 

[kcy0]

Re: Madara's identity and 6th coffin mystery Solved....

Very good theory, but it just doesn't make any sense as of how Madara doesn't have his own soul...how else could he be acting as Madara? Or maybe he is in fact Izuna inside Madara's body. This could be an ability of the EMS being used when Madara's "soul" dies/sealed from fighting Hashirama and Izuna's soul takesover the body. This means, Kabuto could still summon Madara which is more than enough to freak out Izuna.

 

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[Savior..]

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion/ 560 Predictions

I just nerdgasmed all over my keyboard

 

[MS_Evolution]

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion/ 560 Predictions

Seriously, we expected it.. but even the expected had us qighduiwgqluifewufuewgfgegfgeuf'in all over the place

 

[Emerica16]

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion/ 560 Predictions

Tobi is one crazy mothafocka!

 

[shmanton]

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion/ 560 Predictions

happy happy happy days =]

yey to those who guessed right and boooo to those who were so agrogant to tell other people they are stupid and diss them when say otherwise =]