Itachi and Nagato CANT be compared...

[JMAN]

I've just got back on the base and I've noticed alot of Itachi/Nagato vs threads.. such as raikage's, minato ect.. I just have to let everyone know.. as Kabuto IS the USER of the Impure World Resurrection I think he know what he's talkin bout.. plus he worked under a genius known as orochimaru.. so i htink he knows alot bout previous shinobi. Kabuto specifacilly stated THAT both ITACHI and NAGATO are his two STRONGEST summoning other then the last coffin (meaning he HAS no other summoning stronger then those two).. (Put the last coffin to the side for now) Itachi and Nagato ARE his two best strongest shinobi which is why he wanted to use those two to capture the 8 and 9 tails at the same time (which would have worked mind you if it weren't for Itachi's geniusness) So everyone please stop makin new threads with itach vs raikage or nagato vs anyone.. because THEY cant be COMPARED to.. If the 3rd raikage was stronger he would have used him instead of them to try and capture 8 or 9 tails.. but he didnt bcuz bee and naruto would have won together.. No other shinobi not even Madara could stand up agaisnt Itachi (stated by Madara himself) meaning that Itachi is overall stronger than every previous kage alongside nagato "since the 1st was the strongest hokage"..(and madara admits he NEVER lost to the 1st hokage.. He merely pretended to lose to gain his DNA in order to perform the ability Izanagi stated here.

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so people please stop thinkin the 1st was STRONGER then Madara.. simple fact is he wasnt Madara wanted his DNA to perform the Izanagi

These are the two prodigies of the shippuden series.. Itachi was the Uchiha Pride.. and ELITE clan feared by all.. who all praised ONE man "Itachi"..

Nagato has rinnegon nuff said.. The strongest Dojutsu that the sharigan cant even beat..

So everyone please stop makin pointless threads the 1st couldnt beat madara.. Itachi can meaning Itachi is stronger then the 1st and also the rest of the bunch and nagato is up there with Itachi so NO MORE.. Itachi and Nagato are the strongest shinobi to walk the world next to the SO6P himself and now MADARA'S current form.. Since he has EMS, Izanagi, Time-Space, Rineggon and all same abilities as young complete Nagato..

Comment please bcuz people need to realize that itachi nor Nagato cant be compared to not even to JMAN, ORO, Minato none of them are a match for either one of these two...

Also, I kno peeps might bring up the battle between Itachi/Kisame vs JMAN well Itachi wanted to protect Konoha so why would he force or let anyone know he can defeat him? Just doesnt makes sense... Itachi's secret was only known by the 3rd, Danzo and the two elders not even JMAN knew.. so JMAN wouldnt even understand why Itachi was the way he was..

Your thread is Shit !!!

For the following reasons :
- where does madara say that he couldn't stand up against Itachi ?
- + even if he is stronger A>B and B>C doesn't mean A>C in the naruto world! ( example maito gai against kisame ) So doesn't mean he would be stronger than hashirama !
- You said he knows all the other kages and everything and he still thinks that Itachi and Nagato are his strongest summonings but actually he can't resurect the last 4 hokages and JMAN stated by kabuto himself ! So doesn't mean they are stronger than Minato and company !
- Where has Madara admitted that he never actually lost to Hashirama ? This is a lame excuse man that he fought just to get a piece of his DNA . The fight was actually an intense fight that valley of the end was made. is he stupid to go through all of this just for a sample of blood ? Hashirama fair and evenly raped Madara in his prime !

 

[Kira was Righteous]

ok i just find it hard to believe how nagato would even touch him since he can turn intangible and not to mention nagato is not like minato who is super fast and and can counterattack really fast and not to mention he also has gedo which he was controlling without even connecting to it so he can use the rinnegan but even if you don't include all the powers since he has not shown them he still has a last resort of izanagi which can help give an opening to kill or absorb nagato. nagato's chances are pretty low tbh.

my avatar or signature lol i meant to say anyway i repeat the same stuff to you all the time and you just disregard it so ill just leave it but space time ninjutsu is not invincible like you think as hes got a couple of times vs strong characters Minato,Konan,Danzos bodyguards... could say Hashirama but dont know wether he had it then

 

[arv993]

my avatar or signature lol i meant to say anyway i repeat the same stuff to you all the time and you just disregard it so ill just leave it but space time ninjutsu is not invincible like you think as hes got a couple of times vs strong characters Minato,Konan,Danzos bodyguards... could say Hashirama but dont know wether he had it then

konan had 600 billion bombs which blows for 10 minutes straight a weakness of his jutsu since it only works for 5 minutes and nagato does not have that or any kind of tech like that. minato used ftg and was able to counter attack back which nagato also did not have yes he did lose an arm but does not mean he was dead , its like saying pain is weak cos konohamaru beat one of his paths. And if this is an all out fight how is he gonna counter the izanagi which he would use in a life or death situation and would would give an opening to absorb him or kill him. Sorry but unless nagato has some specail other power he can't win that one and now he has rinnegan which would make no sense if he cannot use it. tell me do you think nagato's chances are better even when all odds are against him. i am not making any new powers but just telling you the ones both has shown and in this case madara has the advantage. and dude i don't mind anyone having pain's avatar most ppl have their fav characters pics so it does not matter.

 

[khaydz5]

dude do you not kno how to read kabuto is the one who is controlling nagato not nagato himself that is what he is referring to his skills allowed naruto and bee to be captured in seconds when pain took forever to capture him.

um what you're saying that kabuto edo's were sealed by many ppl obviously they are when you are fighting an army were ppl can take advantage of the numbers not to mention when naruto is running around.

1. your post doesn't make any sense. I repeat, kabuto also failed to capture the two jinchuurikis..what manga are you reading?

2. even when naruto is still on trainging edos are pwned..and still kabuto fails one after another. his edo summons are being owned 1 by 1. no severe damage has been done to the shinobi alliance. get the point?!

give me a known character that has died in the hands of kabuto's edo?

 

[Luther]

this thread rules

 

[Biggiesmalls]

Good points. Yet sadly you forget the rule of writing. Things aren't as set in stone as you would seem with power and fights. Shikamaru beat Hidan, Kakashi is a Joint Shinobi Field Commander, Konohamaru beat Naruto in the chonin exams. All of these things don't make sense. But they happened. So let peep do all their VS fights, and see strategies they come up with, if you want to qoute stuff why not qoute Shikamaru when he said Naruto isn't the type of person that could be a main character.

 

[arv993]

1. your post doesn't make any sense. I repeat, kabuto also failed to capture the two jinchuurikis..what manga are you reading?

2. even when naruto is still on trainging edos are pwned..and still kabuto fails one after another. his edo summons are being owned 1 by 1. no severe damage has been done to the shinobi alliance. get the point?!

give me a known character that has died in the hands of kabuto's edo?

naruto is the main character do you expect him to die and they are not pwned but he actually needed a lot of help and info to beat 3rd raikage not something he did very easily and even muu caused trouble to both gaarra and tscuhikage. no severe damage has been done r u serious half their forces died that is a pretty big impact on the alliance considering that madara only lost mainly zetsu clones and obviously the war is not done so you sorta have to wait to see important characters to die. kabuto did capture them but only a short while with nagato until itachi came in, did you not see that part.

 

[ackeem1992]

Nagato is not immune to any genjutsu. If Jiraiya's sound genjutsu effected him, so can the strongest genjutsu, Tsukiyomi. Fact is, Nagato was caught, he couldn't move until Jiraiya ended the genjutsu. He attacked after the genjutsu was lifted meaning all of his bodies were paralyzed, not just the ones effected. Of course his real body did not take any sort of damage as Jiraiya only killed the three he caught.

Bee only managed to break out of Sasuke's Tsukiyomi is because 1. Bee has a beast to help him. 2. Sasuke sucks at using Tsukiyomi as stated many times. 3. Nagato is not Bee so idk why you're comparing them?

again vision base gen-jutsu is different from sound base this is a fact, rasengan and chidori are both nin-jutsu's, but they are totally different, one requires the user to have an affinity to wind an the other an affinity to raton, rasengan explodes on impact and chidori has a piercing affect, your like basically saying chidori (a nin-jutsu) is strong against everybody which it isn't as proven in the A vs saskue fight. so declaring that nagato is weak against any/all gen-jutsu is pure assumption, being a vision base gen jutsu has never been cast on nagato, the fact that Inoichi's mind reading genjutsu failed at first because of the mental barricades nagato inplanted in the guys mind through a form of gen-jutsu supports my claim of nagato not being inferior to all gen-jutsu.

i' wasn't comparing anyone, i as referring to that fact that the manga states that tsukuyomi cannot be broken through yet killer bee did (manga didn't say itachi's or saskue's tsukuyomi it said tsukuyomi in general). nagato possesses an immense amount of chakra as seen in the manga, so nagato altering his chaka flow to break free of the illusion is very much possible.

Only Itachi's Tsukiyomi can be broken by flesh and blood. were not talking about Sasukes Tsukiyomi. Which Danzou even said was a Far cry from Itachi's Tsukiyomi. Itachi's Tsukiyomi alters Time and Preception and can only be broken by an Uchiha with the same bloodline limit as him.

So nagato Won't be breaking Tsukiyomi since he dosent share the bloodline limit as Itachi, nor does he have an 3 tomoe mastered sharingan.

Even Though Nagato's Rinnegan has better insight, and might help him realize that its an Illusion, He still won't be able to escape. Remeber when Itachi Got Kakashi in Tsukiyomi, Kakashi was FULL aware that it was an illusion and a Genjutsu, even itachi told him. Yet he still couldn't escape ,because he dosent share the same blood as Itachi.

So Nagato figuring out that it's an illusion, will do NO good. He would just be getting tortured, while he knows it's an illusion, until he dies.

itachi said that tsukuyomi in general cannot be broken he didn't say my tsukuyomi cannot be broken out of, that fact the manga also said that amaterasu is unavoidable, which is was proven a fail countless times, compromises your whole argument, every jutsu has downfall as stated by itachi himself tsukuyomi is no exception for it was also proven a fail. manga also said that susano'o is the best defence ever, yet A and mei broke through it, the manga spits alot of venom bro but nothing is guaranteed until it is proven in battle. and we have yet to see a fight with nagato and itachi alone so this what were doing is pointless, entertaining possibilities only leads to more possibilities.

 

[arv993]

again vision base gen-jutsu is different from sound base this is a fact, rasengan and chidori are both nin-jutsu's, but they are totally different, one requires the user to have an affinity to wind an the other an affinity to raton, rasengan explodes on impact and chidori has a piercing affect, your like basically saying chidori (a nin-jutsu) is strong against everybody which it isn't as proven in the A vs saskue fight. so declaring that nagato is weak against any/all gen-jutsu is pure assumption, being a vision base gen jutsu has never been cast on nagato, the fact that Inoichi's mind reading genjutsu failed at first because of the mental barricades nagato inplanted in the guys mind through a form of gen-jutsu supports my claim of nagato not being inferior to all gen-jutsu.

i' wasn't comparing anyone, i as referring to that fact that the manga states that tsukuyomi cannot be broken through yet killer bee did (manga didn't say itachi's or saskue's tsukuyomi it said tsukuyomi in general). nagato possesses an immense amount of chakra as seen in the manga, so nagato altering his chaka flow to break free of the illusion is very much possible.



itachi said that tsukuyomi in general cannot be broken he didn't say my tsukuyomi cannot be broken out of, that fact the manga also said that amaterasu is unavoidable, which is was proven a fail countless times, compromises your whole argument, every jutsu has downfall as stated by itachi himself tsukuyomi is no exception for it was also proven a fail. manga also said that susano'o is the best defence ever, yet A and mei broke through it, the manga spits alot of venom bro but nothing is guaranteed until it is proven in battle. and we have yet to see a fight with nagato and itachi alone so this what were doing is pointless, entertaining possibilities only leads to more possibilities.

i agree that nothing in the manga is set in stone but you can't assume the same for nagato that sound genjutsu would work but not visual genjutsu. nagato does have a chance to break it not saying he can't but it is not proven he is resistant to genjutsu either. And in fact itachi said my tsukiyomi not tsukiyomi in general. This battle actually cannot settled cos there is no concrete evidence on either side its just ppl's opinions and reasoning ppl use to determine the victor.

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Here he says my tsukiyomi just wanted to point it out

 

[kadowade]

1. your post doesn't make any sense. I repeat, kabuto also failed to capture the two jinchuurikis..what manga are you reading?

2. even when naruto is still on trainging edos are pwned..and still kabuto fails one after another. his edo summons are being owned 1 by 1. no severe damage has been done to the shinobi alliance. get the point?!

give me a known character that has died in the hands of kabuto's edo?

Clearly Kabuto captured Bee And Naruto. Itachi just saved them.

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And the Shinboi alliance are winning because their clearly outnumbered, and all of their techniques are getting revealed. And the Edo Tensei's are telling the Shinobi their secrets, so that they can beat them, the shinobi alliance is basically getting freebe's.

 

[Tosen]

Clearly Kabuto captured Bee And Naruto. Itachi just saved them.

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And the Shinboi alliance are winning because their clearly outnumbered, and all of their techniques are getting revealed. And the Edo Tensei's are telling the Shinobi their secrets, so that they can beat them, the shinobi alliance is basically getting freebe's.

True I agree with you here but Kabuto did forget about that Itachi was there so yes Kabuto did mess up.

 

[kadowade]

again vision base gen-jutsu is different from sound base this is a fact, rasengan and chidori are both nin-jutsu's, but they are totally different, one requires the user to have an affinity to wind an the other an affinity to raton, rasengan explodes on impact and chidori has a piercing affect, your like basically saying chidori (a nin-jutsu) is strong against everybody which it isn't as proven in the A vs saskue fight. so declaring that nagato is weak against any/all gen-jutsu is pure assumption, being a vision base gen jutsu has never been cast on nagato, the fact that Inoichi's mind reading genjutsu failed at first because of the mental barricades nagato inplanted in the guys mind through a form of gen-jutsu supports my claim of nagato not being inferior to all gen-jutsu.

i' wasn't comparing anyone, i as referring to that fact that the manga states that tsukuyomi cannot be broken through yet killer bee did (manga didn't say itachi's or saskue's tsukuyomi it said tsukuyomi in general). nagato possesses an immense amount of chakra as seen in the manga, so nagato altering his chaka flow to break free of the illusion is very much possible.



itachi said that tsukuyomi in general cannot be broken he didn't say my tsukuyomi cannot be broken out of, that fact the manga also said that amaterasu is unavoidable, which is was proven a fail countless times, compromises your whole argument, every jutsu has downfall as stated by itachi himself tsukuyomi is no exception for it was also proven a fail. manga also said that susano'o is the best defence ever, yet A and mei broke through it, the manga spits alot of venom bro but nothing is guaranteed until it is proven in battle. and we have yet to see a fight with nagato and itachi alone so this what were doing is pointless, entertaining possibilities only leads to more possibilities.

Dosent matter how much chakra you have, it wont just counter a Genjutsu. When Itachi got Naruto in a Genjutsu, Naruto couldnt escape, And Naruto has more Chakra than Nagato, along with the Fox.

Tsukiyomi can only be broken by uchiha, with same bloodline. Remember when jiraiya explained how to escape Genjutsu, by disturbing you chakra. However that won't work on Tsukiyomi. Why do you think Itachi said "However This Jutsu is diffrent, only an uchiha with the same bloodline limit as me can counter. And Itachi was only talking about HIS Tsukiyomi.

And the Manga did NOT say Susano'o was the best defence. It said that Itachi's Susano'o is invincible along with the Yata Mirror and Totsuku blade. It wasent talking about Susano'o in genereal, it was only talking about ITACHI'S. They was not reffering to sasuke.

And yes Nagato blocked his mind from being searched. But itachi's Tsukiyomi alters his opponents preception, therefore making them suffer anything Itachi imagines. Itachi Tsukiyomi is an Illusion. That Inochi's jutsu was a mind searching type jutsu. Jiraiya's Genjutsu was an illusion and it made it through Pain's Mind. SO why dont you think an Illusion as strong as Tsukiyomi won't make it through. Jiraiyas Genjutsu affected pain's mind which caused them to see themselves inside of an Cube surrounded by frogs. Itachi's Genjutsu affects the mind and causes you to suffer anything Itachi imagines.

So there is no reason why Tsukiyomi won't work on Nagato.

 

[ackeem1992]

i agree that nothing in the manga is set in stone but you can't assume the same for nagato that sound genjutsu would work but not visual genjutsu. nagato does have a chance to break it not saying he can't but it is not proven he is resistant to genjutsu either. And in fact itachi said my tsukiyomi not tsukiyomi in general. This battle actually cannot settled cos there is no concrete evidence on either side its just ppl's opinions and reasoning ppl use to determine the victor.

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Here he says my tsukiyomi just wanted to point it out

point taken but like a said, the manga spits alot of venom man but nothing is absolute. if tsukuyomi is so invincible why didn't he take out madara with it a long time ago. fact is man saskue also thought susanoo was impenetrable.

 

[arv993]

Dosent matter how much chakra you have, it wont just counter a Genjutsu. When Itachi got Naruto in a Genjutsu, Naruto couldnt escape, And Naruto has more Chakra than Nagato, along with the Fox.

Tsukiyomi can only be broken by uchiha, with same bloodline. Remember when jiraiya explained how to escape Genjutsu, by disturbing you chakra. However that won't work on Tsukiyomi. Why do you think Itachi said "However This Jutsu is diffrent, only an uchiha with the same bloodline limit as me can counter. And Itachi was only talking about HIS Tsukiyomi.

And the Manga did NOT say Susano'o was the best defence. It said that Itachi's Susano'o is invincible along with the Yata Mirror and Totsuku blade. It wasent talking about Susano'o in genereal, it was only talking about ITACHI'S. They was not reffering to sasuke.

And yes Nagato blocked his mind from being searched. But itachi's Tsukiyomi alters his opponents preception, therefore making them suffer anything Itachi imagines. Itachi Tsukiyomi is an Illusion. That Inochi's jutsu was a mind searching type jutsu. Jiraiya's Genjutsu was an illusion and it made it through Pain's Mind. SO why dont you think an Illusion as strong as Tsukiyomi won't make it through. Jiraiyas Genjutsu affected pain's mind which caused them to see themselves inside of an Cube surrounded by frogs. Itachi's Genjutsu affects the mind and causes you to suffer anything Itachi imagines.

So there is no reason why Tsukiyomi won't work on Nagato.

kadowade u kno every jutsu has a weakness which is true so think sussano and tsukiyomi probably can be beaten but it does not mean nagato can beat both of them. nagato can beat susano if he absorbs it but that is not that easy.

 

[arv993]

point taken but like a said, the manga spits alot of venom man but nothing is absolute. if tsukuyomi is so invincible why didn't he take out madara with it a long time ago. fact is man saskue also thought susanoo was impenetrable.

yes dude i agree with u completely that no jutsu is unbeatable did i ever go against that. And if you read my link he says only another sharingan user can challenge me and madara is if not the most ultimate uchiha to be there since he was the only uchiha to control kyubi and even itachi acknowledges him on that. But didn't i not say in my last post that nagato does have a chance to break it i am not arguing that 100% sure nagato can't break it. And i said that this fight can never be settled since there is no concrete evidence on either side that proves if genjutsu like itachi's tsukiyomi can work or not, we can only use reasoning or opinions to really decide this fight but not fully actually conclude it becos there are a few x factors(like tsukiyomi) involved that only kishi can solve. But IMO i say itachi has better chance but thats just my opinion. and sorry for the double post

 

[kadowade]

kadowade u kno every jutsu has a weakness which is true so think sussano and tsukiyomi probably can be beaten but it does not mean nagato can beat both of them. nagato can beat susano if he absorbs it but that is not that easy.

yes Susano has a weakness and Tsukiyomi has a weakness.
I would say Tsukiyomi's weakness would be, that an relative can counter it. So it wont beat everybody.

We have yet to see Susano's weakness which we probably will.

but i was just explaining Tsukiyomi to that guy, on why it should work. Although i can be wrong.

 

[arv993]

yes Susano has a weakness and Tsukiyomi has a weakness.
I would say Tsukiyomi's weakness would be, that an relative can counter it. So it wont beat everybody.

We have yet to see Susano's weakness which we probably will.

but i was just explaining Tsukiyomi to that guy, on why it should work. Although i can be wrong.

yea i never said it would not work but the thing is it can't be fully confirmed unless itachi talks about it again or someone else mentions it.

 

[kadowade]

yea i never said it would not work but the thing is it can't be fully confirmed unless itachi talks about it again or someone else mentions it.

true but i was just saying, because Sasuke fufilled that statement Itachi said.
And no one else did. But i doubt we will hear anymore info on Tsukiyomi, since the story is about Edo tensei's which Genjutsu wont work on. (Except Kotoamatsukami). So Tsukiyomi is prolly not even an Option for Itachi now.

I think All the information about Itachi's Tsukiyomi is in episode 81 part 1. And i doubt we will be hearing anymore later in the manga. So i guess itachi's statement still remains.

 

[kobi sugoichi kempachi]

He's not great. He's an okay strategist. You can't compare Nagato to Kabuto strategic wise. No thinking was needed when he attacked the Leaf. He went in, destroyed everything and everyone. He didn't use any strategy against Jiraiya. Jiraiya's fight was all straight out summons fight until he summoned the other two bodies, then it was taijutsu and absorbing Jiraiya's technique until Jiraiya caught him in the genjutsu. Then he just ended it. He did do some thinking vs. Naruto but that was obvious strategy that anyone would use. Protect the God Realm until his power has returned using all the other bodies and keep the Naraka realm at the back because it's the most important due to it's ability.

Nagato is a better fighter than Kabuto but he cannot be compared to Kabuto intellect wise.

there was know where in there that said I compared him to Kabuto.
He went in from 6 different areas man, dont underater it Jack.

He didn't use any strategy against Jiraiya. Jiraiya's fight was all straight out summons fight until he summoned the other two bodies, then it was taijutsu and absorbing Jiraiya's technique until Jiraiya caught him in the genjutsu. Then he just ended it. He did do some thinking vs. Naruto but that was obvious strategy that anyone would use.

He didnt strategize?? WTF man did you eve watch the fight? How come he didnt go all out against J man from the begining. Cus he would of died thats why and he said it himself. Do You even know whats the meaning of the word "strategy". HE WAS PREPARED FROM THE BEGINING AND PLAYED OUT TO PERFECTION

stop underminding him, J man > Nagato > Itachi

Does Itachi has abnormal strenght-

No

Does he have speed-/ Does he have Sagemode speed-

hes/no

Will it be a facter-

No

Why?

shinra tensei and Human Path

Naruto was mercin becuse of sagemode.

 

[ackeem1992]

Dosent matter how much chakra you have, it wont just counter a Genjutsu. When Itachi got Naruto in a Genjutsu, Naruto couldnt escape, And Naruto has more Chakra than Nagato, along with the Fox.

naruto doesn't have the lvl of control over his chakra as nagato does, the guy channeled his chakra through 6 bodies at the same time whilst performing different techniques, thus i concluded that nagato could simply alter or disrupt his chakra flow to break the illusion as seen done by bee and hachibi.

Tsukiyomi can only be broken by uchiha, with same bloodline. Remember when jiraiya explained how to escape Genjutsu, by disturbing you chakra. However that won't work on Tsukiyomi. Why do you think Itachi said "However This Jutsu is diffrent, only an uchiha with the same bloodline limit as me can counter. And Itachi was only talking about HIS Tsukiyomi.

like a said before the sharingan was derived off the rinnegan, so itachi bloodline principle about tsukuyomi' might not be so against a rinnegan user. if this principle was so why isn't madara dead right now?

And the Manga did NOT say Susano'o was the best defence. It said that Itachi's Susano'o is invincible along with the Yata Mirror and Totsuku blade. It wasent talking about Susano'o in genereal, it was only talking about ITACHI'S. They was not reffering to sasuke.

the manga did stated that susano'o is an ultimate defense, zetsu did indicated that itachi was invincible with the items, but that wasn't my point what i was getting at is that the manga says shit and does another, so nothing is guaranteed.

And yes Nagato blocked his mind from being searched. But itachi's Tsukiyomi alters his opponents preception, therefore making them suffer anything Itachi imagines. Itachi Tsukiyomi is an Illusion. That Inochi's jutsu was a mind searching type jutsu. Jiraiya's Genjutsu was an illusion and it made it through Pain's Mind. SO why dont you think an Illusion as strong as Tsukiyomi won't make it through. Jiraiyas Genjutsu affected pain's mind which caused them to see themselves inside of an Cube surrounded by frogs. Itachi's Genjutsu affects the mind and causes you to suffer anything Itachi imagines.

that wasn't my point, yall basically stated that nagato is weak against all gen-jutsu just because he was caught in a sound base illusion, the point i was making is that nagato had blocks for inoichi's mind reading gen-jutsu thus he is not weak against all genjutsu so who is to say that nagato doesn't also have block or some means of cancelling vision base genjutsu.

So there is no reason why Tsukiyomi won't work on Nagato.

i already stated the reasons why tsuku is not guranteed