[Discussion] Sasori remains the best in the Sand Village?

[SmilesInOblivion]

okay... straight tp the point.....
Sasori is simply a monster EVEN WITHIN AKATSUKI
why?

yah true hidan is immortal and?? he can still get his head cut-off while fighting 100 puppets, WHICH HIDAN DOES NOT HAS THE SPEED TO DEFEAT THEM ALL...... Sasori Wins

Kakuzu...... High pressured water and fire will work to fight kakuzu and the 100 puppets will work as a good shield to protect him from the wind style attacks?? oh and 3rd kazekage?? DAMN THATS OVERKILL...... Sasori Wins

Kisame...... If kisame uses the water dome thing....... it's over for kisame... wanna know why? because as we could see during chiyo+sakura vs sasori fight, sasori could even melt rocks with his fire attack..... So..... What do you want to say with this? Water+Really hot fire?= Boiling water= Kisame=Broiled Fish??.... OR SASORI CAN USE HIGH PRESSURED WATER TO GET OUT OF THE DOME FAST USING IT AS A JETPACK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT..... Sasori wins

Zetsu..... okay first of all what technique zetsu is going to steal from sasori's puppets as we all have seen zetsus are not the fighting type so even D-Rank puppets that sasori uses can defeat 100 zetsus each at least and that without counting the poison mist to take down A BIG BUNCH OF THEM...... Sasori wins

Konan..... fire= takes down paper easily...... high pressured water= wet paper= heavy so KONAN= owned.... her only way to win is if she prepares herself and makes another sea of paper bombs.... Sasori wins

Orochimaru..... I don't know how Sasori can pull this...... but it was stated that Sasori was Orochimaru's Senior partner and supposedly stronger than oro. Third kazekage with iron sand can crush the summons but edo tensei??........not sure 60% sasori--40%oro

Deidara...... Another which I don't have idea how he will do this but Sasori is the senior parter while deidara is the junior so MAYBE he can pull this one too........ not sure
50%sasori--50%deidara

Itachi....... Since Sasori does not have nerve sense since he's a puppet Genjutsu won't work..... And amaterasu....Sasori can use 1 of his hundred puppets as shields...... Sasori's downfall will be Susanoo which will seal him....... Itachi wins via. susanoo

Pain...... Deva Path solos... perfect example? how he took down the whole hanzo and danzo army..... and Konoha too so numbers are not a factor and poison won't do much since.... Pain are dead bodies.....

Madara..... Teleport's Sasori to another dimension and let him rot there......

HONESTLY I WOULD PUT SASORI BELOW ITACHI BUT ABOVE ALL OTHERS..... MOST LIKELY IN NUMBER 4........ THAT SASORI GOT BEATEN BY CHIYO AND SAKURA??? AND WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THAT CHIYO IS NOT A MONSTER??? CHIYO HERSELF COULD BE COMPARED WITH TSUNADE AND SHE'S A RETIRED JOUNIN TOO..... SHE KNOWS THE PUPPETS STYLES AND STUFF AND WITH SAKURA'S STRENGHT TO FILL THE STRENGHT THAT CHIYO'S PUPPETS DON'T HAVE THATS PERFECT TO BREAK THROUGH SASORI'S TECHNIQUES.......... AND EVEN THERE SASORI MADE A GOOD MATCH..... So please don't come like sasori is the weakest and is not worth of anything.......

I pretty much agree with what you are saying and you make some great points as far as who sasori could beat in a battle. Yes he could beat hidan easily becaus as you said, no blood= no curse= Hidan in peices! lolz! Zetsu is just a...not a fighting tool. He'd have to like steal his jutsu, but then what? Konan isn't entirly strong to begin with so he could just take her down with fire and a million puppets (exaggeration on how many puppets he has) and be done with it. But not with water because it did say while she was fighting jiraiah that only oil makes her paper useless, (either that or i read it on like a data thingy) but water doesn't affect her that much. just sayin'. Orochimaru doesn't even seem like much of a threat either and his body is all worn out unlike sasoris cuz he is a well preserved puppet. Although his thing snake powers seem to be strong so yeah like sasori definitly seems to have and advantage but oro still has a chance. All in all i agreee with what you are saying an it felt good to know that I'm not the only one who think sasori could take out most of the akatsuki members. Although its questionable with kakuzu and Deidara. Cuz kakuzu is quite strong and cI think he could destroy alot of sasoris puppets with his bare hands. (let me just say that he scares like crap outta me. He is literally the scaries thing ever to me.) Also idk if poison would work on him, i guess if it goes straight to all five of his hearts...idk. And with Deidara...well that'd just be a mess. to put it simply, A MESS! just these things running around being controlled by someone else, clay animals and puppets and the two "masters" laughing at eachother. things exploding, getting sliced and diced and someone in the corner going, "make it stop!" It really is hard to say who would come out on top in either of thos battles. AND ONE MORE THING I WANNA PIONT OUT! I have read almost all of the comments on this thread and when your saying how like someone would beat sasori by doing this and that, it always sounds like your not including hiruko. He's ALWAYS gunna have Hiruko. Hes never not gunna have him so that just makes him a whole lot stronger and makes your "assumptions and observations" a little untrue. Unless Hiruko breaks as in the Saskura and Chiyo battle, hes ALWAYSSSSSSS gunna have Hiruko to sheild him and attack without getting hit! THANK YOU!!

 

[nickmiller7]

I would say knowing that Konkuro now posesses Sasori, who posesses the Third Kazakage, That he is the strongest Sand Shinobi.

 

[Inception]

If you're going to post a wall of text, divide it up into paragraphs so it's easier on the eyes. Just a thought.

 

[10TailedPower]

1a.) It's not that simple. Transitive inference almost never works in Naruto: Gaara> Chiyo+Sakura>Sasori doesn't work because it never works. In Naruto it's almost always about the specific matchups, so it makes it difficult to generalize. Personally, I think that Gaara might beat Sasori because I think control over the sand using the Shukaku's power is stronger than iron sand and gold dust (which I consider an imitation of the Shukaku's power), but the thing with Sasori is his poison. Just one scratch and you die or a poison cloud.

1b.) The key issue is once Sasori's attack just touches you, you're going to die unless you're a very special ninja, and if that happens, the best you can do is try to force a draw in a matter of minutes. It's far more important than his 3rd Kazekage puppet, or 100 puppet technique, red sands, etc. Further, virtually every attack he has contains poison. I think a lot of people miss this.

2a.) That fight had story no jutsu all over it. Sasori conveniently left behind his poison in Kankorou that only Sakura was able to create the antidotes for; further, Sakura was trained over the time skip in evasion (medics can't get hit, which made the Heaven's gate bridge scene funny, lol) by Tsunade, perfect for this fight because of the poison.

2b.) Chiyo was his grandmother who raised him and taught him puppetry, giving her a grasp of his personality, habbits, including knowing about Hiruko. Further, she knew almost all of Sasori's secrets and quickly deduced others using her knowledge of him and being a former leader of the puppet division, 'secrets', which we've seen time and again are an invaluable asset to major ninja battle (e.g. the difference in outcome between Jiraiya vs. Nagato and Naruto vs. Nagato).

You couldn't ask for a better pairing. You could ask for a more powerful one (e.g. Itachi + Nagato), but not one that has a perfect counter for what Sasori does.

3.) Besides, if I recall correctly (it was a long time ago...), but didn't Sasori, when he had the opportunity, not dodge (i.e. send his core to another puppet) the death blow from the mother/father puppets?

Spoiler

(so that he could die being embraced by them essentially -- that's my interpretation anyway, tragic/peaceful/poetic).

4a.) Personally, I think Gaara is a good matchup for Sasori because of his absolute defense and his sand is excellent for crowd control against all those puppets, allowing him to attack and defend simultaneously. Given that they'll both keep they're range is actually good for Gaara since he'll need the reaction time addition from the distance. Obviously if one of Sasori's attack's lands, it's over.

4b.) Neither should be underestimated, and not all the votes for Gaara are just popularity votes, albeit it is a factor I suppose (but it usually works both ways just to a lesser degree). I understand why some underestimate Sasori, since he was around for so little time, and in his only big battle he lost, but it was preordained. Thus, it's not like Kishi did him justice by giving him such high qualifications (e.g. kidnapping and making a human puppet out of the most powerful Kazekage for now, red sands) and abilities (poisons, 3rd Kazekage puppet, 100 puppets, Hiruko, etc.) then to go out like as quickly as a lit match.

4c.) However, I don't see this as an open/shut case of Sasori dominating Gaara, and if we did this same fight 100 times Gaara is gonna win a significant number. I'm waiting until 548 (I think that that's the next one, to see what happens to Gaara's game, as it's likely to go up). The fight's a little complicated aside from the poison, yet tractable.

Peace.

:kakashi::naruto::sakura::sasuke:

best response yet (i got waaaaaay to lazy to read too pg 10) , i think like you said, range plays a huge factor. seeing as these are 2 of my fav characters, i have no favorite. the one reason i could see gaara winning is the fact of his sand tsunami would wreck sasori. sure he cant sufficate him, but he can sure as hell break every puppet to fine bits so sasori can switch bodies, if he traps sasori in that, he cant get his heart out and he does a massive sand coffin, he crushes he heart, his body, and everythin else he has. at the same time, if gaara gets hit by just ONE of sasoris attacks, its game over. sasoris poison could stop most anybody, i think he is one of the stronger members of akatsuki, only to be beaten be pain, itachi and kisame and maybe, maybe konan (excluding oro, madara, and zetsu). sasori is one of the most underrated characters in my opinion, and i dont understand why. he got beaten by 2 people that basically knew the trick to beating his secerets, if sakura didnt get the poison from kankuro, chiyo and sakura would have been dead. but back to the main point, i think this battle would be close, its not fair to either one to say "oh gaara would take this easily" or "sasori would take this no prob" both are proven excellent fighters, but in the end im gunna have to give it to gaara, but with the very very good chance of him either comin very close to death or dying himself. gaara is a very smart fighter and i think one of the only reasons he lost to deidara is because he was going to save the village. i think gaara has a wide range of jutsu and can adapt well to opponents. i think gaaras mass control of sand would prove to much, seeing as he can create as much as he needs while the 3rd had a limited amount of iron sand (from what im lead to believe). like i said i dont think the fight for either one would be a cake walk, but thats just my thought.

 

[Mr Byte]

PLEASE PEOPLE OF NB
to sort this out once and for all
let us not use examples of previous fights with Deidara or Chiyo and Sakura or any other thing that was said about Sunagakure in the past.

GAARA vs SASOORI
Head2Head
1v1

Think about it
I have and i have come to the conclusion that None of Sasoris attacks can penetrate Gaaras defences so Gaara would win because we all know how good and effective Gaaras attacks will be on Sasori and his puppets also his heart

Gaara Wins

 

[Modaro]

Sorry I voted Sosorri is the best by mistake, but there is noway he could beat garra, its impossible

 

[Turson]

None of Sasoris attacks can penetrate Gaaras defences so Gaara would win because we all know how good and effective Gaaras attacks will be on Sasori

Not really. Iron Sand > normal sand. As simple as that.

but there is noway he could beat garra, its impossible

Both have sand to attack and guard themselves, only Sasoris sand is better.

 

[Anub]

PLEASE PEOPLE OF NB
to sort this out once and for all
let us not use examples of previous fights with Deidara or Chiyo and Sakura or any other thing that was said about Sunagakure in the past.

GAARA vs SASOORI
Head2Head
1v1

Think about it
I have and i have come to the conclusion that None of Sasoris attacks can penetrate Gaaras defences so Gaara would win because we all know how good and effective Gaaras attacks will be on Sasori and his puppets also his heart

Gaara Wins

Sorry I voted Sosorri is the best by mistake, but there is noway he could beat garra, its impossible

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[Mr Byte]

nice of you to find a video
but based on what i said can you please explain fully how i a m wrong about Gaara winning in a 1 on 1

 

[Turson]

nice of you to find a video
but based on what i said can you please explain fully how i a m wrong about Gaara winning in a 1 on 1

Its just like I said. Both have mass of sand to attack and guard themselves, the difference is:
-Sasoris sand is simply more powerful
-Sasori is more experienced
-Gaaras in difference to Sasori has his auto defence, granted by his mothers blessing.

 

[Mr Byte]

Its just like I said. Both have mass of sand to attack and guard themselves, the difference is:
-Sasoris sand is simply more powerful
-Sasori is more experienced
-Gaaras in difference to Sasori has his auto defence, granted by his mothers blessing.

Since when did Sasori have sand i think your talking about his dad:flaw:
experience argument
Jiraiya is more experienced than Nagato who won
Naruto V Kakashi= Naruto win
so please dont talk about experience in fights like these
also
we should not talk about the gifts gaara has or doesnt have (his moms ability) for that is Gaara as a whole package If you want to Argue say Gaara without that mom ability Vs Sasori ..but Gaara will still win

 

[Dukeofhell]

Originally Posted by Guildmage
okay... straight tp the point.....
Sasori is simply a monster EVEN WITHIN AKATSUKI
why?

yah true hidan is immortal and?? he can still get his head cut-off while fighting 100 puppets, WHICH HIDAN DOES NOT HAS THE SPEED TO DEFEAT THEM ALL...... Sasori Wins

Kakuzu...... High pressured water and fire will work to fight kakuzu and the 100 puppets will work as a good shield to protect him from the wind style attacks?? oh and 3rd kazekage?? DAMN THATS OVERKILL...... Sasori Wins

Kisame...... If kisame uses the water dome thing....... it's over for kisame... wanna know why? because as we could see during chiyo+sakura vs sasori fight, sasori could even melt rocks with his fire attack..... So..... What do you want to say with this? Water+Really hot fire?= Boiling water= Kisame=Broiled Fish??.... OR SASORI CAN USE HIGH PRESSURED WATER TO GET OUT OF THE DOME FAST USING IT AS A JETPACK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT..... Sasori wins

Zetsu..... okay first of all what technique zetsu is going to steal from sasori's puppets as we all have seen zetsus are not the fighting type so even D-Rank puppets that sasori uses can defeat 100 zetsus each at least and that without counting the poison mist to take down A BIG BUNCH OF THEM...... Sasori wins

Konan..... fire= takes down paper easily...... high pressured water= wet paper= heavy so KONAN= owned.... her only way to win is if she prepares herself and makes another sea of paper bombs.... Sasori wins

Orochimaru..... I don't know how Sasori can pull this...... but it was stated that Sasori was Orochimaru's Senior partner and supposedly stronger than oro. Third kazekage with iron sand can crush the summons but edo tensei??........not sure 60% sasori--40%oro

Deidara...... Another which I don't have idea how he will do this but Sasori is the senior parter while deidara is the junior so MAYBE he can pull this one too........ not sure
50%sasori--50%deidara

Itachi....... Since Sasori does not have nerve sense since he's a puppet Genjutsu won't work..... And amaterasu....Sasori can use 1 of his hundred puppets as shields...... Sasori's downfall will be Susanoo which will seal him....... Itachi wins via. susanoo

Pain...... Deva Path solos... perfect example? how he took down the whole hanzo and danzo army..... and Konoha too so numbers are not a factor and poison won't do much since.... Pain are dead bodies.....

Madara..... Teleport's Sasori to another dimension and let him rot there......

HONESTLY I WOULD PUT SASORI BELOW ITACHI BUT ABOVE ALL OTHERS..... MOST LIKELY IN NUMBER 4........ THAT SASORI GOT BEATEN BY CHIYO AND SAKURA??? AND WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THAT CHIYO IS NOT A MONSTER??? CHIYO HERSELF COULD BE COMPARED WITH TSUNADE AND SHE'S A RETIRED JOUNIN TOO..... SHE KNOWS THE PUPPETS STYLES AND STUFF AND WITH SAKURA'S STRENGHT TO FILL THE STRENGHT THAT CHIYO'S PUPPETS DON'T HAVE THATS PERFECT TO BREAK THROUGH SASORI'S TECHNIQUES.......... AND EVEN THERE SASORI MADE A GOOD MATCH..... So please don't come like sasori is the weakest and is not worth of anything.......

Hidan ill give you that, but hes not exactly easy to kill, but i think sasori could trap him but not kill him.

kakuzu fought the first hokage, and he has over a hundred years of experience, he made kakashi and team 10 look like amateurs, he could drive sasori away probably, but it would be a draw.

kisame solos the 4 tails, and is so powerful he made killer bee look like fodder.
it would e a draw between them, but i think sasori is slightly stronger.

zetsu definately loses.

konan, is so powerful she nearly solod the aburame clan, on her own. she could at least hold her own against sasori, she could beat him if he underestimates her, they are equal.

orochimaru is invulnerable to poison, he is a legendary sannin and even thought he could beat sasori in a battle, sasori even said he looked up to oro.

deidara-sasori will beat deidara, deidara even said so, deidara lost an arm against gaara and had to bomb the vilage to distract gaara, sasori wouldve have solo'd gaara even shukaku mode gaara.

itachi healthy and at his peak will have beaten sasori, susanoo is enough but also his nin and speed and sword play, also his shadow clone jutsus, he will destroy sasori.

pain- he will just bansho tenin sasoris heart, and he knows thousands of jiraiyas strongest teachings not to mention all six paths, he will crush all of the akatsuki put together except for itachi and madara.

madara will beat sasori, just way too high a level.

 

[Turson]

Since when did Sasori have sand i think your talking about his dad

My God. Do you know manga we are talking about even on basic level? Sasori has puppet of 3rd Kazekage. That puppet has all techniques and chakra 3rd Kazekage had. 3rd Kazekage was using Iron Sand, the most powerful weapon in Suna history. Do you uderstand now? Sasori has Iron Sand (which is more powerful than Gaaras normal sand) via his 3rd Kazekage human puppet.

 

[Anub]

Since when did Sasori have sand i think your talking about his dad:flaw:
experience argument
Jiraiya is more experienced than Nagato who won
Naruto V Kakashi= Naruto win
so please dont talk about experience in fights like these
also
we should not talk about the gifts gaara has or doesnt have (his moms ability) for that is Gaara as a whole package If you want to Argue say Gaara without that mom ability Vs Sasori ..but Gaara will still win

nice of you to find a video
but based on what i said can you please explain fully how i a m wrong about Gaara winning in a 1 on 1

experience:

Sasori has a lot more. Why do I dare talk about experience in a fight like this? It's because they're relatively close in power.

Jirayia vs Pain was different because Pain had a huge secret that he managed to hid. If Jirayia knew about the real Pain, he would have probably won (stated in the manga)
Naruto vs Kakashi is a HUGE power difference. It's even unfair to think about a matchup like that. Lol.

intelligence :

Sasori has this one as well. Gaara is simply too young, even though capable and smart, but cannot outsmart someone who managed to defeat the strongest person in the history of the village and somehow turn him into a puppet and also turn himself into a puppet. We haven't seen Sasori do that much, but by the way he fights, it's quite obvious. I mean it takes a huge amount of skill + intelligence to be able to properly maneuver 100+ puppets both offensively and defensively while still working out fight strategies in his head.

abilities :

Iron Sand + Poison + Massive number of puppets vs normal sand. I would easily give this to Sasori unless they fight in the desert.

speed :

Gaara is practically a sitting duck and his sand does the work for him. Sasori is extremely fast (as we've seen) and would be hard to hit.

stamina/chakra :

If Gaara doesn't find in a desert or a region from where he can properly extract sand, then he is doomed. I don't remember any point in which Sasori would run low on chakra throughout his fight against Sakura+Chyio.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Here's what we know so far:

1. Sasori defeated the 3rd Kazekage and controls him as a puppet.
2. 3rd Kazekage was the strongest Kage the sand village ever had and it can be considered a fact up until the last 100 chapters at least. Some of you might say that Gaara might have surpassed the 3rd, but here's my take on that:

a. 3rd Kazekage was older than Gaara so he had a lot of experience.
b. 3rd Kazekage was also smarter than Gaara because he was able to create his own (stronger) version of Shukaku's power. This was named the Iron Sand.
c. I will use my assumption on this one and say Iron Sand > Gaara's Sand.

From (1) and (2 -a,b,c-) and chapters from the manga, I've deduced that Sasori would have stronger jutsus (and sand) than Gaara, he would be smarter than Gaara (was able to outsmart the 3rd) and has more experience than Gaara. Also Gaara is pretty much a sitting duck and the sand does all the work for him, which isn't good news when fighting Sasori, who also has the poison cloud, 100 extra puppets and just 1 weak spot.

As a conclusion to this thread, I would say that Sasori is still the best shinobi in the sand village.

There was NOTHING stating that Iron Sand is stronger than Shukaku's sand. It may be more dense, but I didn't see the versatility that Shukaku's sand did. It was stated to be replicated. If it's true, then find the page.

Gaara has the Sand Shield, plus Sand armor. Scratches are what he defends himself best from. Unless Gaara fights in the middle of the ocean, he can make sand from anywhere to overpower Sasori's puppets.

At Anub at the post above me- Gaara fought Kimmimaro (I can never remember how to spell his name) in a grassland area, and still made sand. He can break down dirt to create sand, and he said it wasn't difficult.

 

[ShinobiNightmare]

I agree that Sasori of the Red Sand is the best. Here are four of my reasons:

1) He was able to recreate the puppet's ninjutsu so therefore is was like reviving a person except he had complete control.
2) He created most puppets in Sunagakure so therefore he has helped current generations and let them progress with their abilities.
3) Someone could only defeat him if they knew the in's and out's of his puppet(s).
4) He always had a back up plan to whatever he was doing and most Puppet Masters only can work a minimal of 1-3 puppets together, so they don't have a Plan B when one is destroyed.


Here are three reasons why I would disagree:
1) He had a target on his chest they practically said: "Hit me here and you might win!"
2) He was venerable to attacks but not in Hiruko form.
3) He was only to revive one man but if he was to do more he would've probably been invincible.

 

[Jae Dong180]

It was stated in the Manga that the Iron Sand was the strongest and deadliest attack the sand has ever produced...

 

[Turson]

There was NOTHING stating that Iron Sand is stronger than Shukaku's sand

Actually, there was. The fact that Iron sand was regarded as most powerful weapon in Suna history, instead of Shukaku hosts normal sand.

but I didn't see the versatility that Shukaku's sand did

A person who controls magnetic field can do what he wants to with Iron sand, just like Gaara with his own sand. The only difference is auto defence that Gaara has. Thats doesnt mean Sasori cant guard himself with IS, becuase like I said, he can do anything with it.

 

[Jae Dong180]

I agree that Sasori of the Red Sand is the best. Here are four of my reasons:

1) He was able to recreate the puppet's ninjutsu so therefore is was like reviving a person except he had complete control.
2) He created most puppets in Sunagakure so therefore he has helped current generations and let them progress with their abilities.
3) Someone could only defeat him if they knew the in's and out's of his puppet(s).
4) He always had a back up plan to whatever he was doing and most Puppet Masters only can work a minimal of 1-3 puppets together, so they don't have a Plan B when one is destroyed.


Here are three reasons why I would disagree:
1) He had a target on his chest they practically said: "Hit me here and you might win!"
2) He was venerable to attacks but not in Hiruko form.
3) He was only to revive one man but if he was to do more he would've probably been invincible.

Great points, I'd just like to point out something regarding the "huge target on his chest"

1st) Sakura and Chiyo weren't even aware that was his weak point until he revealed it to them so.....obv....it isn't so obv.... unless you already know

2nd) Everyone has a huge target on their chest it is called their heart and if destroyed one dies....it is just they have a layer of skin covering it, but that doesn't mean others don't have a target on their chest as well..(Think back to Kakashi vs Kakazu...Kakuzu is lucky he had 5 lives)

3rd) Getting to his heart isn't as easy as it sounds....because if it was then I guess anyone with a heart would be dead now quite easily because of the target heart location (Sakura, Shikamaru, Sai, etc...)

 

[Kyuubikiller]

What it has to do with manipulationg Iran Sand? Gaara is no speed god yet hes powerful shinobi.

They dont have to think, Sasori is thinking for them.

There is nothing in manga that suggest that, quite the contrary. As Chiyo said, human puppet preserves all abilities from when it was alive.

You're just restating what you said in your previous post. My point about speed and intellect was to just reiterate that puppets are in no comparison as strong as the real deal because many more factors are taken out when becoming a puppet. I still think Gaara would win, my opinion won't change.