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Re: Uchiha Who? :The Man behind the mask
If Madara took Izuna's eyes people will think he did it out of fear of losing the clan to him or something else
But If Izuna did it they would say, he killed his brother for power and stuff like that (which he did)
so to mask his identity he cloaked himself using the new Doujutsu that was born..... Thus his plan to use the Moon's eye.
Otherwise Kishi has already shown us Madara's face, why doesn't tobi just take off the mask
>.> <.< O.O when did Tobi touch a zetssu like plant?
I'm not sure you understand... Izuna used a prototype(test run) version of the moon's eye to cloak himself as Madara... Why?
If Madara took Izuna's eyes people will think he did it out of fear of losing the clan to him or something else
But If Izuna did it they would say, he killed his brother for power and stuff like that (which he did)
so to mask his identity he cloaked himself using the new Doujutsu that was born..... Thus his plan to use the Moon's eye.
Otherwise Kishi has already shown us Madara's face, why doesn't tobi just take off the mask
>.> <.< O.O when did Tobi touch a zetssu like plant?
Re: Uchiha Who? :The Man behind the mask
That's because even Itachi doesn't know Madara's real identity... It's the mini version of the Moon's eye... ofcourse it would confused even an Uchiha
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Re: Uchiha Who? :The Man behind the mask
Well we know Tobi is a liar. He says the fox was a natural disaster to Sasuske and 4th hokage tells naruto the truth about that situation. So since we only heard from Tobi about madara's brother izuna dieing it could be a lie. Since the whole situation with sasuke and itachi i felt that the manga was showing how similiar itachi/sasuke to madara/izuna really were. If that maybe the case then Madara itachi being the older brothers and Itachi being reveled as a good guy all along maybe Madara was also. Izuna if compared to Sasuke , Sasuke has gone down the road to darkness. So its possible Izuna went down that same road and being so upset his brother/family member had died to the hokage he swore revenge on the whole village just as sasuke has done the same losing his family/brother.
Well we know Tobi is a liar. He says the fox was a natural disaster to Sasuske and 4th hokage tells naruto the truth about that situation. So since we only heard from Tobi about madara's brother izuna dieing it could be a lie. Since the whole situation with sasuke and itachi i felt that the manga was showing how similiar itachi/sasuke to madara/izuna really were. If that maybe the case then Madara itachi being the older brothers and Itachi being reveled as a good guy all along maybe Madara was also. Izuna if compared to Sasuke , Sasuke has gone down the road to darkness. So its possible Izuna went down that same road and being so upset his brother/family member had died to the hokage he swore revenge on the whole village just as sasuke has done the same losing his family/brother.
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I agree but there's one thing wrong with your theory. If Izuna really did avenge his brother like Sasuke, wouldn't that mean he didn't take Madara's eyes? Did Madara even go blind? Or did he just take them after the fight with Hashirama? This also wouldn't make sense because we can clearly see the EMS in his eyes before the fight with the first hokage and Madara supposedly went blind before then as well.
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after madara went blind izuna gave him his eyes. a cuple of years later izuna died in battle.the only survivers of the uchiha clan are sasuke madara and itachi, so the only one it culd be is madara.
after madara went blind izuna gave him his eyes. a cuple of years later izuna died in battle.the only survivers of the uchiha clan are sasuke madara and itachi, so the only one it culd be is madara.
Re: Uchiha Who? :The Man behind the mask
Listen to yourselves people, Is it possible to take out someone's eye ball by force and the person would survive.. Not possible, he'll bleed to death
Re: Uchiha Who? :The Man behind the mask
Did you read the whole thread at all? Madara died after Izuna took his eyes, Then Izuna cloaked himself as Madara, meaning HE (Izuna) fought the 1st.....#smh
The Giant Tobi Discussion/Theory Thread
breaking tobi's mask...
I reread some chapter and forum post and even fun page. But before I start, this will be long but I will sure I will get your attention just ignore my bad English. sowi
WARNING: this is not a prediction and not reposting a old forum. i came up on my own conclusion because of all the evidence i had gather. all i will explain will be base in naruto manga chapter... this is 100% spoiler read at your on risk...
First of all i can tell that tobi is not madara.
i have come to believe that uchiha madara is not really uchiha madara. the reasons i believe this are as follows,
#1 in flash backs, kishi has no problem showing us the face of uchiha madara.
only now, he makes it a point to continue to hide his face, even when his mask is off.
either madara is not who he says he is, he is severly deformed or he is madara and just using another body. yes, kisame knows him as madara by his face, but he also knows him as mizukage, there is no telling how long this man has been perading around as madara. At first place does kisame know the really face of madara?
#2 ever since his introduction, he has refereed to himself in the 3rd person as if he is not really madara but wants to be.
#3 i believe this is when kabuto and madara met up, kabuto, as we all know summoned a body to which madara became very surprised. i dont think it was the 1st, nor do i think that it was the SO6P. kabuto tells madara that he will not tell anyone,
now what else could kabuto have on madara that he didnt want anyone to know? besides that he is not really uchiha madara.
kabuto, then called the man, uchiha madara, to which madara, responds, cheeky brat, in binktopias translations, he calls him a wise guy.
kabuto obviously WAS being a wise guy, calling the man madara, when he knew he wasn't.
And kabuto say DON’T WORRY I WONT TELL ANYONE ABOUT THIS
#4 even he survive on Hiroshima battle he already dead by age remember what kusina usumaki said. There clan are the only one has long life that the others.
#5 is it mistranslation when zetsu calling him tobi? (Maybe once yes, but twice or many… nah)
im 100% sure zetsu merge other half of tobi. Because he can able cast izigani, a power require both utchiha and serunju. And when tobi is damage a white clay flowing on his arm. And only zetsu has a access seeing him unmask and still calling him tobi.
#6 tobi is a good lier look how he convince sasuke, when he said on the kyuubi incident that it was natural disaster but in fact he was the one controlling na the 9 tail.
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And before I will reveal who is tobi. Let’s recap point of view of tobi and characteristics.
First He has sharinggan and he know there secret as well. So I can tell he is from uchiha and konoha.
Second there are only plenty candidate to chose who might be tobi. Because in manga and anime they only introduce small number of sharinggan user
1. obito – he already die on boulder and it is impossible to live on that young age. Just incase he is still live he was too young too be tobi in kyuubi incident. and he was damn weak to begin with..
2. madara – I already state above why he is not tobi.
3. shisui – at the laboratory of madara there one eye has no pair that has to be believe that shusui eye. And it was state he was killed by itachi before the uchiha clan massacre.
4. and lastly this is tobi identity it is one of the elders.
uchiha kagami
If you think about it ,Kagami Uchiha makes more sense being Tobi than Madara does. Kagami Uchiha was taught by the second (the same guy the 4th based his space time techs on)so that would explain tobis abilities, he was also on the same team as the 4 elders(the third, danzo and the other two current elders), they were the only ones who knew about the massacre so it's possible that their team mate(Kagami) had a hand in it as well. and it would explain why he still hides his face even to he himself(tobi) says that he's madara and everyone else seems to think so as well so what does he gain by hiding himself if he really is Madara? and what could possibly make "MADARA" of all people stop in his tracks and SUBMIT to kabuto by letting him on the team??? nothing... if he really is madara he shouldn't give a damn whose in that last coffin. but since he was obviously worried about the contents and let kabuto on the team because he doesn't want anyone else to see those content, it would only make sense that it's madara in there(the coffin). thats why we weren't shown who it was. that is the only explanation to the scenario... tobi not being madara and kabuto exposing that is the ONLY THING that could **** his plan up. it is sooo obvious that he's just using madaras name and prowess. Him being kagami would also explain why Kishi decided to put that flashback for danzo in there. The flashback is the only place you see kagami and it showed that he survived with the rest of his team mates thanks to his sensei, the 2nd hokage. It also shows his connection to those who were responsible for the uchiha massacre. and if he already knew about the MS and EMS he would be all about having a hand in the massacre of his own clan. im not saying that this is fact but how can anyone say that it doesn't make sense? with all those dumb theories out there like tobi being Obito or him being madara in another body or even being madara in a old ass 100 year(just a rough estimate) old body. if yall can believe all that nonsense then why the hell is it so hard too believe that it could be Kagami???
Now let’s go on exhibit evidence…
-Why does he introduce himself as Uchiha madara? Because he wanted his power. Or fear him as Uchiha Madara.
Remember most of the villain introduce themselves as 3rd person as a God. Because they want the power of god or there power is super human. Great example is pain.
-And im for sure he live on konoha around 2nd and 3rd era of shinobi great world war.
This is one of the greatest clue… why the hell he know the father of turune (shikuro aburame)… in some how they have connections. Tobi might age mate as his father or danzo. And he might live also on konoha those day. Maybe just on 2nd era only… because on 3rd era he was on the mist country controlling 4th mizukage.
-On kyuubi incident looked who missing on the elders member?
The 4 old school elders were there (sarotobi hiruzen, mitokado homura, utatane koharu, akimichi torifu) as well on that cloak guy he may be in aburame clan. He might be turune’s father(shikuro aburame) but danzo and kagami are missing. Danzo might know who tobi is. But like he said his ready for sacrifice. He is willing keep a secret till his death. Or perhaps he introduce himself as madara and danzo keep believing it till the end.
-And lastly all of the elders had the same vision about the shinobi world but they have different way, on achieving it…
the key word is there… same as danzo ...
-tobi and danzo were partner in crimes
This is the most hard evidence I have , so don’t dare to open this because you will spoiled reading naruto. You Might lose interest reading naruto. there is witness but she was killed by tobi.
hahaha
all of i had said was base on the manga or anime. none of the chapter were edited except the last part to make it comedy... but if you were doubt about those pix try to check them. i wanted to put more pix here but only 15 image can only post here.
all of the evident i had gather as for now. are it is only pointing in one person in behind madaras mask its UCHIHA KAGAMI
tobi =madara
tobi =obito
tobi = uchiha kagami
did i solve the case of tobi's behind the mask?
(VOTE IN THE POLL SO I CAN IMPROVE MY POST)
breaking tobi's mask...
I reread some chapter and forum post and even fun page. But before I start, this will be long but I will sure I will get your attention just ignore my bad English. sowi
WARNING: this is not a prediction and not reposting a old forum. i came up on my own conclusion because of all the evidence i had gather. all i will explain will be base in naruto manga chapter... this is 100% spoiler read at your on risk...
First of all i can tell that tobi is not madara.
i have come to believe that uchiha madara is not really uchiha madara. the reasons i believe this are as follows,
#1 in flash backs, kishi has no problem showing us the face of uchiha madara.
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only now, he makes it a point to continue to hide his face, even when his mask is off.
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either madara is not who he says he is, he is severly deformed or he is madara and just using another body. yes, kisame knows him as madara by his face, but he also knows him as mizukage, there is no telling how long this man has been perading around as madara. At first place does kisame know the really face of madara?
#2 ever since his introduction, he has refereed to himself in the 3rd person as if he is not really madara but wants to be.
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#3 i believe this is when kabuto and madara met up, kabuto, as we all know summoned a body to which madara became very surprised. i dont think it was the 1st, nor do i think that it was the SO6P. kabuto tells madara that he will not tell anyone,
now what else could kabuto have on madara that he didnt want anyone to know? besides that he is not really uchiha madara.
kabuto, then called the man, uchiha madara, to which madara, responds, cheeky brat, in binktopias translations, he calls him a wise guy.
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kabuto obviously WAS being a wise guy, calling the man madara, when he knew he wasn't.
And kabuto say DON’T WORRY I WONT TELL ANYONE ABOUT THIS
#4 even he survive on Hiroshima battle he already dead by age remember what kusina usumaki said. There clan are the only one has long life that the others.
#5 is it mistranslation when zetsu calling him tobi? (Maybe once yes, but twice or many… nah)
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im 100% sure zetsu merge other half of tobi. Because he can able cast izigani, a power require both utchiha and serunju. And when tobi is damage a white clay flowing on his arm. And only zetsu has a access seeing him unmask and still calling him tobi.
#6 tobi is a good lier look how he convince sasuke, when he said on the kyuubi incident that it was natural disaster but in fact he was the one controlling na the 9 tail.
---------------
And before I will reveal who is tobi. Let’s recap point of view of tobi and characteristics.
First He has sharinggan and he know there secret as well. So I can tell he is from uchiha and konoha.
Second there are only plenty candidate to chose who might be tobi. Because in manga and anime they only introduce small number of sharinggan user
1. obito – he already die on boulder and it is impossible to live on that young age. Just incase he is still live he was too young too be tobi in kyuubi incident. and he was damn weak to begin with..
2. madara – I already state above why he is not tobi.
3. shisui – at the laboratory of madara there one eye has no pair that has to be believe that shusui eye. And it was state he was killed by itachi before the uchiha clan massacre.
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4. and lastly this is tobi identity it is one of the elders.
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uchiha kagami
If you think about it ,Kagami Uchiha makes more sense being Tobi than Madara does. Kagami Uchiha was taught by the second (the same guy the 4th based his space time techs on)so that would explain tobis abilities, he was also on the same team as the 4 elders(the third, danzo and the other two current elders), they were the only ones who knew about the massacre so it's possible that their team mate(Kagami) had a hand in it as well. and it would explain why he still hides his face even to he himself(tobi) says that he's madara and everyone else seems to think so as well so what does he gain by hiding himself if he really is Madara? and what could possibly make "MADARA" of all people stop in his tracks and SUBMIT to kabuto by letting him on the team??? nothing... if he really is madara he shouldn't give a damn whose in that last coffin. but since he was obviously worried about the contents and let kabuto on the team because he doesn't want anyone else to see those content, it would only make sense that it's madara in there(the coffin). thats why we weren't shown who it was. that is the only explanation to the scenario... tobi not being madara and kabuto exposing that is the ONLY THING that could **** his plan up. it is sooo obvious that he's just using madaras name and prowess. Him being kagami would also explain why Kishi decided to put that flashback for danzo in there. The flashback is the only place you see kagami and it showed that he survived with the rest of his team mates thanks to his sensei, the 2nd hokage. It also shows his connection to those who were responsible for the uchiha massacre. and if he already knew about the MS and EMS he would be all about having a hand in the massacre of his own clan. im not saying that this is fact but how can anyone say that it doesn't make sense? with all those dumb theories out there like tobi being Obito or him being madara in another body or even being madara in a old ass 100 year(just a rough estimate) old body. if yall can believe all that nonsense then why the hell is it so hard too believe that it could be Kagami???
Now let’s go on exhibit evidence…
-Why does he introduce himself as Uchiha madara? Because he wanted his power. Or fear him as Uchiha Madara.
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Remember most of the villain introduce themselves as 3rd person as a God. Because they want the power of god or there power is super human. Great example is pain.
-And im for sure he live on konoha around 2nd and 3rd era of shinobi great world war.
You must be registered for see images
This is one of the greatest clue… why the hell he know the father of turune (shikuro aburame)… in some how they have connections. Tobi might age mate as his father or danzo. And he might live also on konoha those day. Maybe just on 2nd era only… because on 3rd era he was on the mist country controlling 4th mizukage.
-On kyuubi incident looked who missing on the elders member?
You must be registered for see images
The 4 old school elders were there (sarotobi hiruzen, mitokado homura, utatane koharu, akimichi torifu) as well on that cloak guy he may be in aburame clan. He might be turune’s father(shikuro aburame) but danzo and kagami are missing. Danzo might know who tobi is. But like he said his ready for sacrifice. He is willing keep a secret till his death. Or perhaps he introduce himself as madara and danzo keep believing it till the end.
-And lastly all of the elders had the same vision about the shinobi world but they have different way, on achieving it…
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-tobi and danzo were partner in crimes
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This is the most hard evidence I have , so don’t dare to open this because you will spoiled reading naruto. You Might lose interest reading naruto. there is witness but she was killed by tobi.
wait still hacking kishi computer =)
hahaha
all of i had said was base on the manga or anime. none of the chapter were edited except the last part to make it comedy... but if you were doubt about those pix try to check them. i wanted to put more pix here but only 15 image can only post here.
all of the evident i had gather as for now. are it is only pointing in one person in behind madaras mask its UCHIHA KAGAMI
tobi =
tobi =
tobi = uchiha kagami
did i solve the case of tobi's behind the mask?
(VOTE IN THE POLL SO I CAN IMPROVE MY POST)
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Gorlack2231
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Re: solving of breaking the mask of tobi 100% spoiler
Wow. At first I thought that this was going to be some crazy Tobi=Obito fan trying to link random stuff up....but you made a damn good point. I say it works. Good job and good skill. Try to get into the next L.A. Noire DLC, you could go far.
Wow. At first I thought that this was going to be some crazy Tobi=Obito fan trying to link random stuff up....but you made a damn good point. I say it works. Good job and good skill. Try to get into the next L.A. Noire DLC, you could go far.
Re: solving of breaking the mask of tobi 100% spoiler
I think that after all this time that we have known him as Madara (most ppl refer to him as such and not Tobi) it would be pointless to make him some other old so little known character
If he is not Madara he will be either a well known Shinobi or a completely new character IMO
I think that after all this time that we have known him as Madara (most ppl refer to him as such and not Tobi) it would be pointless to make him some other old so little known character
If he is not Madara he will be either a well known Shinobi or a completely new character IMO
trashcan2009
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Re: solving of breaking the mask of tobi 100% spoiler
He said spoilers in the title so why look. Anyway I agree with you because you could also mention when he said I'm a former shell of myself as more proof. Good theory and it makes since seeing as though the guy was missing in action during the fight
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