[Game] Mafia game 11x4 aka game #44

[Ekkologix]

yes, I am allowed to change my read, it is not a contradiction per se. I just trusted Flower's read over mine

vote Elmage G Ace

why elmage?

the game's been pretty dead, does ur sheeped read of haze still hold up? part of me dont want to give alexis his yeet because i dont trust him

 

[Michelle]

VC

Spoiler: Poll

View results: It is Day 3...
Rej
Votes: 0 0.0%
Lucidus
Votes: 0 0.0%
Haze
Votes: 0 0.0%
Ekko
Votes: 0 0.0%
Alexis
Votes: 1 33.3%
Ekkologix
Elmage
Votes: 2 66.7%
RejAlexis2282AE
Konno
Votes: 0 0.0%
Unvote
Votes: 0 0.0%
Total voters 3 This poll will close: Tomorrow at 11:00 PM.

 

[Rej]

What is WG?

worstgen forums

which non WG players you think shud have died?

what is even the purpose of the question? wtf
I can't answer that because I have/had no thoughts on it, this comes so out of the left-field

 

[Rej]

why elmage?

the game's been pretty dead, does ur sheeped read of haze still hold up? part of me dont want to give alexis his yeet because i dont trust him

because I have no clue whom to vote, I don't even know who's willing to vote based on activity

it's the only wagon I see right now

I am for no particular reqasons having an easier time to trust Alexis this game, than I have with other people

 

[Rej]

and yeah with Haze nothing changed, no progress

 

[Ekkologix]

worstgen forums

what is even the purpose of the question? wtf
I can't answer that because I have/had no thoughts on it, this comes so out of the left-field

why do u think it's hella suspicious only wg players have died? non-wg players have hardly played the game to earn death, it felt like a weird statement to throw out

 

[Lucidus]

No, I'm not an indie.

I strongly agree that town needs to come together and try to win this game.
@Lucidus @Haze_with_a_Z @Elmage G Ace

Sorry for my absence, I have been trying to keep an eye on whats going on through my phone but Uni really has me spread thin time wise.

On the bright side, my two exam results came back with good marks which was good!

Regarding the game its in a bit of a difficult situation. This feels very similar to last game where Waluigi lead the game by being loudest and allowed the wolf team to lead the game. While I don't trust Elmage too much, I am not sure I fully trust Alexis's push on him so far.

Haze gives off slight town energy.

Rej is neutral to me atm, possibly an indi? Would make sense why he is able to change his mind so easily without an issue as well.

While I did have Alexis's as one of my strongest town reads within the first part of the game, I can't help but recall how Waluigi played us last game who was also a strong town read to me until a turning point. So I will take some time to go through Alexis's posts again and see if there is anything suspicious.

Ekko who was neutral to me in the early game is starting to show more of a town aspect, his posts are mainly trying to use deduction to find out the wolf rather than some others who seem to push first before making a solid decision.

Konno who I had as a neutral presence is also showing more of a town lean mainly because of doing the same things as Ekko.

Now one thing keeps coming up in my mind which I can't help but consider. This came up in the last game as well so its not an impossibility. There is a possibility that both Elmage AND Alexis are scum. Alexis's who had large town energy to start with established his presence, this was supported by me and Gutsy's replacement. As well as one or two others I believe. Elmage generally appears to make claims towards others as a form of pressure, using the vote to his advantage, which can come across scummy.

I think there is a chance that they are both wolves and Alexis is using his push on Elmage (His potential team mate) to cloak himself and solidify his stance as town. After it would be clean sailing for him.

This is just a theory ofc but despite Elmage's absence he is still a core player that the game is slightly revolving around in this as well as Alexis.

I think possibly voting for Alexis's and then Elmage after could be the way forward. If Alexis's truly is scum then I think we practically win this. But if he turns out to be Town then his push on Elmage becomes even stronger.

More than anything I think solidarity is needed atm so while I will make my own decisions I want it to be a uniform decision here.

 

[Rej]

why do u think it's hella suspicious only wg players have died? non-wg players have hardly played the game to earn death, it felt like a weird statement to throw out

could also mean that the mafiosi knows their targets, something to keep in mind
also idk how good of a kill target they were, wouldn't be surprised if they were in the doctor's protection choice pool

anyway, I can already tell that you and me are not getting along anymore this game, everything I write seems weird to you and everything you write to me feels somehow twisty and schemy.

and your treatment of me and alexis voting Elmage reeks fishy

you're not genuinely trying to figure me out if everything I write seems weird to you, and you put less effort into solving others

Rej is neutral to me atm, possibly an indi? Would make sense why he is able to change his mind so easily without an issue as well.

can you elaborate on the thing about me changing my mind? Flower was town, I followed her read because she felt towny that moment, and she seemingly played better than me too. Can you please answer me and elaborate on why there should have been an issue or why it being issueless is a noteable thing?

 

[Rej]

Ekko who was neutral to me in the early game is starting to show more of a town aspect, his posts are mainly trying to use deduction to find out the wolf rather than some others who seem to push first before making a solid decision.

Nothing he does is towny or deductive. This read is totally an asspull or you are being heavily misslead. Nothing he has done goes beyond a null read.

 

[Rej]

My PoE:
Elmage
Ekko
Lucidus

@Alexis2282AE
@Haze_with_a_Z
@Konno

@Elmage G Ace you there? we need you to play

 

[Rej]

I am going to bed gn8, see ya in a few hours. Pls hang onto my solve, don't move away from it. Thanks.

 

[Ekkologix]

could also mean that the mafiosi knows their targets, something to keep in mind
also idk how good of a kill target they were, wouldn't be surprised if they were in the doctor's protection choice pool

anyway, I can already tell that you and me are not getting along anymore this game, everything I write seems weird to you and everything you write to me feels somehow twisty and schemy.

and your treatment of me and alexis voting Elmage reeks fishy

you're not genuinely trying to figure me out if everything I write seems weird to you, and you put less effort into solving others

this response to a simple question sounds panicky

i dont think its weird/suspicious that only wg players died, actually whats weird is how you framed it. it's not like any random wg player died, it's specifically the 2 most active and town read players at the time flower and fuji who died. there is not a single non-wg player i can imagine dying before them in this game state so your statement is obv bogus and you realized it which is why you're being overtly defensive here and changing goal posts

wats fishy about my treatment of you and alexis?

can you evidence the bolded? i only called your NKA weird, and idk if it's necessarily scummy or not for you. i haven't made that assessment yet which is bizzare to me why you're responding so strongly instead of just answering a simple question if you believed in your original statement

 

[Ekkologix]

My PoE:
Elmage
Ekko
Lucidus

@Alexis2282AE
@Haze_with_a_Z
@Konno

@Elmage G Ace you there? we need you to play

terrible list if elmage isn't scum, you can probably get in the bin tbh

 

[Ekkologix]

Nothing he does is towny or deductive. This read is totally an asspull or you are being heavily misslead. Nothing he has done goes beyond a null read.

why're u holding him to standards he probably doesn't know. he only saw me in 1 game and he misread me in it. why is it asspull as opposed to him simply being unaware of my meta?

i dont intend to suffocate you like alexis does to people but your recent posts have honestly been pretty lack luster

 

[Lucidus]

could also mean that the mafiosi knows their targets, something to keep in mind
also idk how good of a kill target they were, wouldn't be surprised if they were in the doctor's protection choice pool

anyway, I can already tell that you and me are not getting along anymore this game, everything I write seems weird to you and everything you write to me feels somehow twisty and schemy.

and your treatment of me and alexis voting Elmage reeks fishy

you're not genuinely trying to figure me out if everything I write seems weird to you, and you put less effort into solving others

can you elaborate on the thing about me changing my mind? Flower was town, I followed her read because she felt towny that moment, and she seemingly played better than me too. Can you please answer me and elaborate on why there should have been an issue or why it being issueless is a noteable thing?

The changing your mind thing is natural, if you truly feel that someone else is making better plays than yourself then its understandable. I find it hard to fathom truly putting your own instincts and reads behind you in favor of someone else's though.

Is Tiara known as flower elsewhere? Sorry im not familiar with their alternative name but you immediately put your trust into a player that had just joined the game really if thats the case, which can easily be seen as you pocketing someone (Again, im not saying you were, but its definitely worth keeping in mind)

Also, lets look at the bolded in this quote. You mention how everything you write seems wierd to Ekko and then you say that means he is not trying to figure you out. Yet, your bolded before that mentions how everything he posts seems wierd to you. or the exact words is twisty and scheme like. How is this any different to Ekko and if this is the case why should you be trusted over Ekko.

Nothing he does is towny or deductive. This read is totally an asspull or you are being heavily misslead. Nothing he has done goes beyond a null read.

How else would you read it other than trying to be deductive? He hasn't made any hard pushes from what I have seen, where as others have made hard statements out of nowhere in some cases. This attitude strikes me as a townie trying to actually decode a game rather than haphazardly voting. But again, for me they are still only slightly leaning town, I am still keeping my eye on them, much like I am keeping my eye on you.

My PoE:
Elmage
Ekko
Lucidus

@Alexis2282AE
@Haze_with_a_Z
@Konno

@Elmage G Ace you there? we need you to play

It is also strange to me that as soon as you get push back that you immediately react against the person that pushed and seem to try and label them back as suspicious for doing so. This is scummy behavior however you look at it.

I had Tiara hard coded as town, this was accurate. They also trusted in me.

If you truly trusted her opinion more than your own then you wouldn't suddenly turn on the people she trusted either just because they suspected you a little. In fact, this also goes against you more since you are contradicting yourself entirely. It also makes it more likely that you instead go for the strongest bandwagon vote at the time and it makes your reads less credible since you yourself don't even trust in them.

Still, despite these things, you still don't seem as scummy as Elmage, and you pose less risk than Alexis should he truly be a wolf thats trying to solidify his town position. You know how dangerous this is and can be from the Waluigi game.

because I have no clue whom to vote, I don't even know who's willing to vote based on activity

it's the only wagon I see right now

I am for no particular reqasons having an easier time to trust Alexis this game, than I have with other people

As if to solidify my last point. This post shows it better. You have no clue, your not sure on your own votes, and you are specifically going after wagons being created. This isn't clever, this isn't deductive. its straight up lazy and scummy. Its like it doesn't matter for you. Be honest now, as this would make a whole loooooot of sense if it were correct, but are you an Indi? This would make your plays more logical for me in my opinion.

As you can see from the last few quotes and reads I have made on your last few posts here you can probably see why I have a stronger suspicion towards yourself than I do Ekko or Konno right? Surely you can see what kind of light you have put yourself in whether you meant to or not.

 

[Ekkologix]

Regarding the game its in a bit of a difficult situation. This feels very similar to last game where Waluigi lead the game by being loudest and allowed the wolf team to lead the game. While I don't trust Elmage too much, I am not sure I fully trust Alexis's push on him so far.

@Rej thoughts on this assessment?

and the rest

Now one thing keeps coming up in my mind which I can't help but consider. This came up in the last game as well so its not an impossibility. There is a possibility that both Elmage AND Alexis are scum. Alexis's who had large town energy to start with established his presence, this was supported by me and Gutsy's replacement. As well as one or two others I believe. Elmage generally appears to make claims towards others as a form of pressure, using the vote to his advantage, which can come across scummy.

I think there is a chance that they are both wolves and Alexis is using his push on Elmage (His potential team mate) to cloak himself and solidify his stance as town. After it would be clean sailing for him.

This is just a theory ofc but despite Elmage's absence he is still a core player that the game is slightly revolving around in this as well as Alexis.

 

[Ekkologix]

The changing your mind thing is natural, if you truly feel that someone else is making better plays than yourself then its understandable. I find it hard to fathom truly putting your own instincts and reads behind you in favor of someone else's though.

Is Tiara known as flower elsewhere? Sorry im not familiar with their alternative name but you immediately put your trust into a player that had just joined the game really if thats the case, which can easily be seen as you pocketing someone (Again, im not saying you were, but its definitely worth keeping in mind)

Also, lets look at the bolded in this quote. You mention how everything you write seems wierd to Ekko and then you say that means he is not trying to figure you out. Yet, your bolded before that mentions how everything he posts seems wierd to you. or the exact words is twisty and scheme like. How is this any different to Ekko and if this is the case why should you be trusted over Ekko.



How else would you read it other than trying to be deductive? He hasn't made any hard pushes from what I have seen, where as others have made hard statements out of nowhere in some cases. This attitude strikes me as a townie trying to actually decode a game rather than haphazardly voting. But again, for me they are still only slightly leaning town, I am still keeping my eye on them, much like I am keeping my eye on you.



It is also strange to me that as soon as you get push back that you immediately react against the person that pushed and seem to try and label them back as suspicious for doing so. This is scummy behavior however you look at it.

I had Tiara hard coded as town, this was accurate. They also trusted in me.

If you truly trusted her opinion more than your own then you wouldn't suddenly turn on the people she trusted either just because they suspected you a little. In fact, this also goes against you more since you are contradicting yourself entirely. It also makes it more likely that you instead go for the strongest bandwagon vote at the time and it makes your reads less credible since you yourself don't even trust in them.

Still, despite these things, you still don't seem as scummy as Elmage, and you pose less risk than Alexis should he truly be a wolf thats trying to solidify his town position. You know how dangerous this is and can be from the Waluigi game.



As if to solidify my last point. This post shows it better. You have no clue, your not sure on your own votes, and you are specifically going after wagons being created. This isn't clever, this isn't deductive. its straight up lazy and scummy. Its like it doesn't matter for you. Be honest now, as this would make a whole loooooot of sense if it were correct, but are you an Indi? This would make your plays more logical for me in my opinion.

As you can see from the last few quotes and reads I have made on your last few posts here you can probably see why I have a stronger suspicion towards yourself than I do Ekko or Konno right? Surely you can see what kind of light you have put yourself in whether you meant to or not.

i TR you but my advice is to stop posting walls in a thread where barely anyone is playing, aint nobody reading this

 

[Ekkologix]

the best case against elmage is it's probably not a slot you wanna carry forward in the game as it'll always remain suspected, specially if inactivity continues. if this isn't lylo then today is the best time to get rid of it as it has a decent shot of flipping scum + makes the next day better

sometimes just not much u can do about it

 

[Ekkologix]

can we make a second wagon competitive?

@Elmage G Ace if you are town vote alexis and full claim

and give thoughts on rej haze and konno

 

[Konno]

it's the only wagon I see right now

It is not, in fact, the only wagon right now. Ekko voted Alexis, and I mentioned that I would vote Alexis too which would make a second wagon.
Are you purposefully avoiding Alexis wagon? It seems odd that you didn't notice it since the beginning of D3 especially with not much activity and not much to catch up to.

On the bright side, my two exam results came back with good marks which was good!

Congratulations!

While I did have Alexis's as one of my strongest town reads within the first part of the game, I can't help but recall how Waluigi played us last game who was also a strong town read to me until a turning point. So I will take some time to go through Alexis's posts again and see if there is anything suspicious.

Now this is an interesting observation of Alexis

Now one thing keeps coming up in my mind which I can't help but consider. This came up in the last game as well so its not an impossibility. There is a possibility that both Elmage AND Alexis are scum. Alexis's who had large town energy to start with established his presence, this was supported by me and Gutsy's replacement. As well as one or two others I believe. Elmage generally appears to make claims towards others as a form of pressure, using the vote to his advantage, which can come across scummy.

I think there is a chance that they are both wolves and Alexis is using his push on Elmage (His potential team mate) to cloak himself and solidify his stance as town. After it would be clean sailing for him.

I have not even thought about this possibility, but I see your point very clearly. Alexis has been pushing Elmage for a while now, this is second day if I'm not mistaken that he pushes Elmage wagon and asks us blindly to vote Elmage. Elmage is absent, and Alexis might want to still win as mafia by sacrificing his partner. Alexis was pretty much everyone's town read at the beginning, nobody would even question him or think that he might be mafia. And if Elmage flips mafia after the lynch led by Alexis, everyone would look Alexis as town and he can continue getting rid of us townies one by one and try to win the game. He also now just shows up once in a while, makes a few posts, nothing too contributing, and that's all. His presence is not as big or active as D1, for example. He asks us to vote Elmage, asks us about our opinions on Elmage, and that's pretty much. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I remember it at least.

Also, lets look at the bolded in this quote. You mention how everything you write seems wierd to Ekko and then you say that means he is not trying to figure you out. Yet, your bolded before that mentions how everything he posts seems wierd to you. or the exact words is twisty and scheme like. How is this any different to Ekko and if this is the case why should you be trusted over Ekko.



How else would you read it other than trying to be deductive? He hasn't made any hard pushes from what I have seen, where as others have made hard statements out of nowhere in some cases. This attitude strikes me as a townie trying to actually decode a game rather than haphazardly voting. But again, for me they are still only slightly leaning town, I am still keeping my eye on them, much like I am keeping my eye on you.



It is also strange to me that as soon as you get push back that you immediately react against the person that pushed and seem to try and label them back as suspicious for doing so. This is scummy behavior however you look at it.

That's another great observation on Rej and his behavior. You bring up a lot of valid points which also make me question Rej because I agree with your reasons of why his behavior and attitude might seem off.
I'm strongly reading you as town.