[Game] [FIN] Round 8- Dracula Castle Madness Game

Who is the MVP?

  • Poison chan (mafia roleblocker)

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  • Odd (town weaponsmith)

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  • Lady Coffee (mafia killer, didn't post)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • MadieV (mafia killer)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Mr. Lonely (town roleblocker)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Akumatsu (town protector)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Oreki_Houtarou (town protector sub)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Ryu Kishi (town vigilante)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • All_Red (town lover)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Junegirl_19 (town time protector, didn't post)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • EvanManManMan (town time protector sub)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Duke3star (mafia full cop)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Eliphas (town even cop)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • AIVION (town bodyguard)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sleeping Terror (town judge)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Waindo (town jailkeeper)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Konno (innocent child)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Alice in Noodleland (innocent child sub)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 6th Hokage (mafia godfather, didn't post)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • TheLukundo (mafia godfather sub)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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Okay, before I can go back at the game:

@SleepingTerror, I apologise. My careless words ended up insulting you and making you feel bad. I am responsible for that and I feel very sorry that I hurt you with what I said. It was by no means my intention to make you look like a bad player, to shade you, to make people look at you as a weak player or to mis-represent your game in any kind of way or form. I spoke out of line.

From some games that I remember, namely the game where I switched in and Moth won in F3 and the first Winter event game I remember that you were pushed on hard for changing your reads. This is by no means anything bad, and I really didn't mean to make it look like it either. I am a person who constantly doubts their own reads and thoughts as well, and it's a bad sign if players push people for changing their mind, like Viggo did in the Winter event game as far as I remember and others did in that game where I was scum by unfortunate cirumstances. One reason why I enjoy playing with you is that you ARE able to be flexible with your reads, you don't tend to death tunnel and you always behave politely towards others. Since I am similar to you in those regards. And I feel bad about mistaking the "being pushed" with the "being lynched" part. I completely misremembered things there and I shouldn't have said such things in the first place.

RE, I really like you as a person in general, and I feel very unhappy about causing you harm, and I hope that we can talk about things after the game ended. I want to properly apologise in private as well, which would be rulebreaking under the current circumstances. Just tell me when is okay for you.
 
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T = Town
TL = Town Lean
N = Null
ML = Mafia Lean
M = Mafia

1. Ansatsuken ML
2. Poison chan T
3. Odd N
4. Lady Coffee N
5. Mr.Lonely TL
6. Akumatsu N
7. Ryu Kishi TL
8. LanMisa T
9. All_Red TL
10. Junegirl_19 N
12. Eliphas TL
13. Rei N
14. AIVION TL
15. SleepingTerror ML
16. Waindo M
17. Konno N
18. TheLukundo TL
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The lan read is a #disrespect read but i think its right.
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I'm driving to the coast for a weekend beach trip. If there's any questions ill be glad to answer but it might be delayed.

I like to give my readslist with little explanation cause i get a lot of info off what reads people question.
Konno is confirmed town btw
 

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The difference between you and Misa is that Misa justified their weak day 1 with something not applicable to this game - that they tend to scumread town power roles.
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I disagree that this is not applicable in this game: Having EVERYONE being a power role and me normally catching town rather than scum in my approach to the game makes it harder for me to figure out people. Anyways, I never meant to use this as a crutch as in "Don't mind me stupid stuff D2, evaluate me later". I just tried to share something of my approach to Mafia and my strengths and weaknesses. By no means do I want to use this as a shield from being evaluated, nor would I want it to be either. I hope that you can see how much time and effort I pour into the game to make up for those shortcomings of mine, and that I try very hard to work on those issues that I have when playing Mafia.
 
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Okay, before I can go back at the game:

@SleepingTerror, I apologise. My careless words ended up insulting you and making you feel bad. I am responsible for that and I feel very sorry that I hurt you with what I said. It was by no means my intention to make you look like a bad player, to shade you, to make people look at you as a weak player or to mis-represent your game in any kind of way or form. I spoke out of line.

From some games that I remember, namely the game where I switched in and Moth won in F3 and the first Winter event game I remember that you were pushed on hard for changing your reads. This is by no means anything bad, and I really didn't mean to make it look like it either. I am a person who constantly doubts their own reads and thoughts as well, and it's a bad sign if players push people for changing their mind, like Viggo did in the Winter event game as far as I remember and others did in that game where I was scum by unfortunate cirumstances. One reason why I enjoy playing with you is that you ARE able to be flexible with your reads, you don't tend to death tunnel and you always behave politely towards others. Since I am similar to you in those regards. And I feel bad about mistaking the "being pushed" with the "being lynched" part. I completely misremembered things there and I shouldn't have said such things in the first place.

RE, I really like you as a person in general, and I feel very unhappy about causing you harm, and I hope that we can talk about things after the game ended. I want to properly apologise in private as well, which would be rulebreaking under the current circumstances. Just tell me when is okay for you.
It's cool, it's a game, it happens, I like you a lot too xD
I can be defensive as well, it's in tune with my personality, so that can't be fun to deal with either.
I'd like to work with you, but before that can happen, I need to be certain of your alignment, and there are always going to be things that rub me the wrong way that I'll need to settle. I think my first read of you may have even been possibly biased in that I would rather you have been town, as I've yet to have a T/T game with you before (where you did not sub out early on...)
 

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Are you referring to the cult joke? Did you think it was serious to start? If so why do you think someone who would actually be cult do such a thing? WIFOM? Why mention it in the first place if so?
It because I've seen something like that before. But mostly an unintentional claimed. These players thought other players couldn't 'find out' what they said.

But I never recognized my effort as WIFOM.



The "feels forced" was Duk3star, and it was about the post Waindo made in regards to Lan and I talking about a past game on MU. To me it felt light hearted, and I'd like to know why you yourself feel like it was forced as Duk3star didn't explain it themself. Just feels like you are sheeping his mindset and that feels odd.
I thought Mr.Lonely/Misa claimed it.



1.) Do you not like people who pressure vote? It's a valuable asset to scum hunting... why is that?
People used pressure vote the right way, I really support it.

But when they vote and then said "want the ball to rolling" but never really pressured the said player and even the targeted player showed no concern at all, so it actually defeats the purpose on why you voted him.

2.) Then you say you like their posts... Ok? o_O
Mind to quote that post for me. Because as far as I can remember, I never said that.


3.) the 50/50 situation of... what? Is that another way of saying "Null"?
Yes. No clear lead yet.

4.) another feels. While I also gut read as much as the next person, you tend to do it a lot. Not hating on it, just making an observation :)
That's pretty normal in mafia.


5.) How do you expect a completely new person to Forum Mafia (and maybe just mafia in general) to play? Do you expect them to 100% understand what's going on and do what usually takes most players a few games to get a feel for? I'm not defending them, I'm just wondering why you would doubt them based on their newness, just feels like you're hating on the LHF, which is what scum like to do.
How are you so sure that he's new?

Even if he is new

Keep in mind that host assigned our role using RNG .


6.) What are your feelings on Mr.Lonely talking about not liking to contribute when others don't contribute?
I'm unable to find this post. So please provide it to me.

I just saw Lonely said something like "I'm not wasting my time if not many people contribute"

7.) Bold one? What?
?????

8.) What intention do you think SleepingTerror has then?

I think he really believe that Misa could be a cult.
 

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Ok its common meta in MU but maybe I'm not being clear enough. I'm ok with someone voting any player very early in the first DP but what I dislike the most about some of this attempt is that the player think they're doing some pressuring jobs on their target but the reality is they didn't do anything. Lets we check back;

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So after reading their conversations, what kind of pressuring being applied here? I dont see any pressure attempt from All_Red towards Eliphas here. If we want to talk about pressuring/pressing a player in this phase so far, look no further than how I pressured you on the subject of Cult. You answered it by saying;

"It was just a joke", "Why I would reveal the information if I owned said role".

So here I pressured you on some subject and you addressed the pressure. And I can accept the explanation that you gave to me.

But it not happening between All_Red and Eliphas. What was the subject that All_Red used as a pressure tool towards Eliphas???

The subject is not there. I tried to look for it but found nothing. If there something that I can use.

And then they turned their focus on Waindo. If All_Red actually suspecting Waindo, why voted for Eliphas.

That's the difference between you and me. I still can pressure player without early vote.

So you can see that, early vote of her served no purpose at all. From numbers of active player at that time, she chose Eliphas.

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This post from Waindo piqued my interest. It can be interpreted both ways.

Wolf

~Its either he is happy that role claiming is forbidden so Wolves had nothing to worry about because TOWN couldn't claiming. If town broke the rule Modkilled/Roleblocked would be the punishment. This result is welcomed with open hand by Wolves.

Then paired it with his 'behavior' in this game so far, its quite fitting.

The other interpretation,

Townie

~Where I think he tried to ridicule that rules because he cant make any claim.

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But his behavior in this game makes it hard to read him as a townie


As for Eliphas, if he really a wolf, his actions came from himself and not influenced by his teammates. That's how I felt.

We have different play style and mindset. Your mindset was shaped by MU while my mindset is of free thinker. Someone that coming from there like to used many Mafia's abbreviations a lot in their game. Eventhough I know what it means and how to use it, I never actually used it a lot.

So cut that introduction,

Maybe I can see/feel what you couldn't see/feel. I approached every game differently but when I write something it should be detailed.

"It's the same as me saying that people should be careful since wolves may pocket others."


What you wrote above is the actual thing I trying to addressed when I said this,

"Open up yourself to every possibilities".

That's how I remind Townie that they shouldn't be two dimensional in their approach but be three dimensional.

Open up to possibility that;

  1. Wolf could bussed their own team mate to hide their true identity.
  2. Someone who helped townie to defeat all Mafia perfectly doesn't mean he/she is not a Serial Killer.
  3. One player that you have investigated gives you 'innocent' result. But it could be a 'camouflage intel'. So investigator needs to be open to any possibility. Besides having that Intel, they also need to use their ability to read player. You may see a clear contrast between the behavior of that player and your investigation result.
  4. people should be careful since wolves may pocket others
Etc, etc



Your post has piqued our attention.
I don't want to go too much into detail here and now, but I do like your approach and it all looks rather reasonable. I still don't see what you see about the sentence, but I can accept that the different Mafia background plays a part in how we both read that sentence.

Do you have any more questions towards me?
 
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I disagree that this is not applicable in this game: Having EVERYONE being a power role and me normally catching town rather than scum in my approach to the game makes it harder for me to figure out people. Anyways, I never meant to use this as a crutch as in "Don't mind me stupid stuff D2, evaluate me later". I just tried to share something of my approach to Mafia and my strengths and weaknesses. By no means do I want to use this as a shield from being evaluated, nor would I want it to be either. I hope that you can see how much time and effort I pour into the game to make up for those shortcomings of mine, and that I try very hard to work on those issues that I have when playing Mafia.
I see that for sure.
As you may have noticed, I am one to read off semantics. I could very well be nitpicking at nothing, but that has not always been the case.
 

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Avion is purely based off tone.

I felt like you were nitpicking but i kinda liked your response to my clarification.

Lukundo's entrance was natural plus I tend to gjve subs a benefit of the doubt.
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State out the best reason you come up with why that post sounds/feels wolfy?
You're over explaining your thought process in a defensive manner.
 
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I think he really believe that Misa could be a cult.
I should correct this. Misa's joke comment felt a bit unnatural to me, not because I suspected him to be cult (though that was a possibility), but that cult is a rarity on MU and passing it off as an existing faction in this game felt off. It would be like bringing up serial killer in a game when the player is someone who rarely has encountered serial killer in past games (there's even a common mentality that the first person to bring serial killer is the serial killer - though I've seen this proven false multiple times).
It could suggest a number of things. It could be that Misa is cult and mentioned it thinking it was more a common element on this site (though I don't believe this to be case no longer, as I've already stated - since it would draw too much attention). It could be that they somehow have insider information that such a role exists, and it's more likely mafia would be made aware of it than town, either due to the number of players in their faction (a lower number may suggest another anti-town faction exists in the game) or abilities.
Overall, it was not so much of a TMI-slip that I suspected them for, but rather that it just pinged me as a thought uninformed town would not have. I am not going to rely on this anymore though, because I think there are more telling things from Misa's posts to look at, at this point.
 

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I sort of want to know why it's NAI for them. They mentioned Activity is AI for them, and I'd like to get a meta analysis from you and possibly Terror for you as well.
Ah, I accidentially deleted the part about the Cult joke: There is no explanation apart from that I wanted to make a joke. I had written down Ladies and Gentleman, Town and Mafia and then thought to myself: "How can we make this longer? There might or might not be other factions... what are other factions? Cults exist, Serial killers exist... The antithesis of a Serial killer is a cop, but that doesn't work because power role, so... law abiding citizen? Hm... what's the antithesis to cults? Non-religious people? How about Atheists? Yeah, that sounds okay"
That's the whole story. I am just very bad at making a joke.
Why I considered that 18p might include a third party I think I said so already: 18 is an odd number for Mafia. I expected 17. That's how all 4 scum games have been since I joined the Mafia community. On the other hand it looks too small for a five scum game... so I dunno.

Regarding SleepingTerror/RE, from my past experience with her she doesn't enjoy writing while under fire or under pressure as Mafia. As town she will fight you tooth and nails, but as scum she.... I don't know, my guess is that it's just not enjoyable to her. Since the game just barely started there was just not enough content to read RE on, at least not in a decisive "never change my mind" kind of way. Looking at how she has played today so far, especially how she reacted towards my.... bad reaction, I have a high confidence town read on her at the moment, which I couldn't have at the time of my original post though.


While I agree it's a bit strange, it feels like you are giving up and marking them off as "town" because of it. I could be reading this incorrectly but It's sort of the feels I got from reading it.
As far as I can tell he is refusing to engage people about anything but his riddles. While I see the potential benefit of having two IC instead of one this is not helping us find any scum directly, and since all my attempts to get him to do anything productive failed I see my time better spent elsewhere for now.

I also find it rather... unfortunate that he claimed somewhere where the scum team can see him, but that's for him to deal with. I'm not gonna bother.
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He said he "hoped" that I had other reads on other players, but I did already, implying he had not properly read my posts. What is the point of asking me for reads if he can't bother to address the ones I've already given on other players?
Ah, right, I haven't addressed this yet. Two reasons: First, doing this on my phone without ad blockers is a bi... difficult task and I admit that I felt lazy. Also, I didn't remember when you made that post and how your reads had changed. Third, and that is all on me: My memory for names is TERRIBLE. I remember reading your reads, but I completely forgot whom you read how..... :sweat:
 
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Avion is purely based off tone.

I felt like you were nitpicking but i kinda liked your response to my clarification.

Lukundo's entrance was natural plus I tend to gjve subs a benefit of the doubt.
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You're over explaining your thought process in a defensive manner.

Is that so?? Any more reasonable reasoning that you still can produce?

By the way I didn't think its a defensive attempt from me lol. Far from it.

I don't think clearing out situation = to defensive attempt.

It just me trying to explained my actual intention towards Misa. So he/she can understand how I operate in this game. That approach is part of my playing style.
 

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It's cool, it's a game, it happens, I like you a lot too xD
I can be defensive as well, it's in tune with my personality, so that can't be fun to deal with either.
I'd like to work with you, but before that can happen, I need to be certain of your alignment, and there are always going to be things that rub me the wrong way that I'll need to settle. I think my first read of you may have even been possibly biased in that I would rather you have been town, as I've yet to have a T/T game with you before (where you did not sub out early on...)
Well, I don't mind working to make you trust me. If there is anything I can do to help you with that, ask away.
And yeah, that game had unfortunate circumstance out of my control...
 
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I'll take a look at Lukundo. I think he's going to be a difficult player to read though, if looking at reasoning for their reads alone, whenever that comes.
In the meantime, I don't need a vote here anymore, as it'd be unnecessary (and possibly detrimental) pressure:
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I like Duk for town. I had a similar thought to their read of Ansatsuken, though I think their push of LanMisa is not malicious enough to warrant a scumlean/read. And I think his ease in giving reads on players, even those who have not posted so much, is +town.
 

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I see that for sure.
As you may have noticed, I am one to read off semantics. I could very well be nitpicking at nothing, but that has not always been the case.
True, you caught me for "semantics" as a wolf before in that one game, so your... how do you say this, carefulness?.... is understandable.
 

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This 100 percent! I love my fluffy pillow time :3

We've caught people trying to be too serious too early as scum before.. felt too unnatural and tense. ;p
So are you fluff posting on purpose just to cast a Town Shadow on yourself?

I can already tell this game is going to be very different than the one I played before. A lot of experienced players around!
Yeah there are Vet players here. But @SoulKiller and @Dr. Strange ain't playing
(⸝⸝o̴̶̷᷄ ·̭ o̴̶̷̥᷅⸝⸝) they are like the Vetest player. (lmao Vetest) but yeah
Odd
Ryu Kishi
Im sensing, Aivion, LanMisa both of them played quite a number of games.

By the way good to see you again.
 
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I don't want to go too much into detail here and now, but I do like your approach and it all looks rather reasonable. I still don't see what you see about the sentence, but I can accept that the different Mafia background plays a part in how we both read that sentence.

Do you have any more questions towards me?
So far no question yet
 

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I should correct this. Misa's joke comment felt a bit unnatural to me, not because I suspected him to be cult (though that was a possibility), but that cult is a rarity on MU and passing it off as an existing faction in this game felt off. It would be like bringing up serial killer in a game when the player is someone who rarely has encountered serial killer in past games (there's even a common mentality that the first person to bring serial killer is the serial killer - though I've seen this proven false multiple times).
It could suggest a number of things. It could be that Misa is cult and mentioned it thinking it was more a common element on this site (though I don't believe this to be case no longer, as I've already stated - since it would draw too much attention). It could be that they somehow have insider information that such a role exists, and it's more likely mafia would be made aware of it than town, either due to the number of players in their faction (a lower number may suggest another anti-town faction exists in the game) or abilities.
Overall, it was not so much of a TMI-slip that I suspected them for, but rather that it just pinged me as a thought uninformed town would not have. I am not going to rely on this anymore though, because I think there are more telling things from Misa's posts to look at, at this point.
Ah, that is a very fair point. So... first of all, I remember seeing a cult in one of the winter event life mafia games that Osie was running, and thinking quite a lot as a spectator about that game when it ran. I also have to say that cultists (not cult itself) is a common role on the website I read my first mafia games on: Paradox Interactive Forums. While they, too, rarely use cults, the name of cults and of the cultists in general is familiar to me.
Another game that ran not too long ago, during my self-ban period, was AngryPotato's Bastard game where wolves, cult, a serial killer and town fought it out. I was one of the spectators of the game.
Aaaand... one of the first games that I read after joining MU was a game where Marluxion was a serial killer, shortly after he was a wolf (ad lynched) in my own Blood of Bahamut game. I think that he was rather impressive there. :)
 
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