[Discussion] Can Marco+Luffy+Law+Zoro Beat Kaido?

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Akainu means
Kizaru means yellow monkey
Aokiji means
and Fujitori means .

Despite Kizaru not showing his epithet powers like the rest did, all four of these guys come from some folk tail about a blind swordsmen that was accompanied by a pheasant, dog, and monkey.

Ryokugyu means Green bull but I still don't know if he's associated with the folklore but from what the rest have shown we know that his devil fruit powers will take shape of a bull.
You missed his point too, the DF powers don't take the shape of the animals the admirals are named after they follow the color pattern. Akainu is red / dog and he uses magma which of the two words is magma closer to, red or dog? Kizaru uses light is light more akin to monkeys or the color yellow? Following this GreenBull's power should be a force connected to the color green.
 

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You missed his point too, the DF powers don't take the shape of the animals the admirals are named after they follow the color pattern. Akainu is red / dog and he uses magma which of the two words is magma closer to, red or dog? Kizaru uses light is light more akin to monkeys or the color yellow? Following this GreenBull's power should be a force connected to the color green.
You missed my url because Akainu’s Hell hound took the shape of a dog and Aokiji’s pheasant peck took shape of a pheasant.
So you’re wrong there.
 

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You missed my url because Akainu’s Hell hound took the shape of a dog and Aokiji’s pheasant peck took shape of a pheasant.
So you’re wrong there.
Nobody's denying they have moves or in the actual case A move that connects to their animal name but you don't have an instance for Kizaru which disproves your point whereas the color point holds through all the Admirals. So you're still wrong. Based on the precedent it's unlikely Green Bull will have Bull based powers but is likely he will have a move named after bulls. Your own examples would imply Ryokugyu would have a power that is green colored and a move that would take the form of a bull.
 
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Kaido


Big Mom tanked Gear 4 easily. And out of all the people on team Marco, Luffy has the strongest Attack power, so I don't see them doing anything that would defeat Kaido.
Wouldn't law be able to separate Kaido In his room? I was always under the impression that laws cutting power isn't that strong at all, like zoro or mihawk, but anything his slash touches inside the room, rather it's cuts them or not, allows him to separate them.

Ex: law wouldn't have been able to cut vergo outside of the room

What do you think?
 

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Nobody's denying they have moves or in the actual case A move that connects to their animal name but you don't have an instance for Kizaru which disproves your point whereas the color point holds through all the Admirals. So you're still wrong. Based on the precedent it's unlikely Green Bull will have Bull based powers but is likely he will have a move named after bulls. Your own examples would imply Ryokugyu would have a power that is green colored and a move that would take the form of a bull.
I said that Kizaru hasn't shown a move animal move epithet YET, and he will because 2/3 of the orginal already shown theirs. So that's where you are wrong. Kizaru has shown 4 devil fruit moves in the series while Kuzan showed 7, and it took up to the 7th one to show his animal devil fruit scheme.
The only reason why we haven't gotten a clear animal form on Issho's Tiger is because gravity isn't a visible material for you to judge.

Why do you think Kuzan is called Aokiji? Why do you think Sakazuki is called Akainu? Why do you think Borsalino is called Kizaru? It's because their devil fruit powers pay attribute to their monkier names. Just ask Sengoku the BUDDHA, the man turns into an actual BUDDHA.
So just know that blue pheasant came from Kuzan's devil fruit move hence why he's called Aokiji the blue pheasant.
 

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I said that Kizaru hasn't shown a move animal move epithet YET, and he will because 2/3 of the orginal already shown theirs. So that's where you are wrong. Kizaru has shown 4 devil fruit moves in the series while Kuzan showed 7, and it took up to the 7th one to show his animal devil fruit scheme.
The only reason why we haven't gotten a clear animal form on Issho's Tiger is because gravity isn't a visible material for you to judge.

Why do you think Kuzan is called Aokiji? Why do you think Sakazuki is called Akainu? Why do you think Borsalino is called Kizaru? It's because their devil fruit powers pay attribute to their monkier names. Just ask Sengoku the BUDDHA, the man turns into an actual BUDDHA.
So just know that blue pheasant came from Kuzan's devil fruit move hence why he's called Aokiji the blue pheasant.
Sengoku isn't anything like the others because he does transform into his nickname none of the others do what is so hard for you to get about that or why do you refuse to accept it? None of the Admirals become the animal part of their codename why do you insist that the name Ryokugyu proves he will turn into a bull when none of the others fit that criteria?

Issho's DF has already shown visuals for the reader to experience it through so why couldn't he still get an animal visualization attack? He could have streaks of gravity like tiger claws. Or since he controls gravity he can apply it in specific areas which means really he could make a tiger paw shaped gravity field push down on opponents.

The animal part of the name was never confirmed where it comes from and could just as likely be their personality not their move set, Kizaru got the name yellow monkey because he wears yellow and behaves playfully. Akainu wears red and is persistent like "a dog with a bone". Akainu wears blue and is flighty like a bird. Fuji wears purple and is proud like a tiger(you know what I mean tigers have long been used as a symbol of pride)

So again, based on all the prior Admirals the pattern seems to be; DF power related to the color portion of the codename of the Admiral i.e. Magma is related to the color red more than it is related to dogs, blue is more related to ice than pheasants and yellow is more related to light than monkeys. With move/s based on the animal portion of their codename.
 

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Sengoku isn't anything like the others because he does transform into his nickname none of the others do what is so hard for you to get about that or why do you refuse to accept it? None of the Admirals become the animal part of their codename why do you insist that the name Ryokugyu proves he will turn into a bull when none of the others fit that criteria?
What is wrong with you? Why are you this stubborn?
Sakazuki and Kuzan just used their animal epithet to their devil fruit and here you are saying that none of the admirals used it?
Sengoku the buddha is NOT different because his epithet is after his devil fruit powers, the admirals use their elements to take shape of their epithet so Greenbull would do the same with his element too.
Issho's DF has already shown visuals for the reader to experience it through so why couldn't he still get an animal visualization attack? He could have streaks of gravity like tiger claws. Or since he controls gravity he can apply it in specific areas which means really he could make a tiger paw shaped gravity field push down on opponents.
There is no visuals for gravity, what the hell are you talking about? Gravity doesn't have definite shape or matter. There will be other ways for Oda to show the shape of his Raging Tiger but as of right now we don't even know what his devil fruit is called or who specifically ate the devil fruit (him or the blade).
The animal part of the name was never confirmed where it comes from and could just as likely be their personality not their move set, Kizaru got the name yellow monkey because he wears yellow and behaves playfully. Akainu wears red and is persistent like "a dog with a bone". Akainu wears blue and is flighty like a bird. Fuji wears purple and is proud like a tiger(you know what I mean tigers have long been used as a symbol of pride)
Jesus Christ you're reaching hard. Why don't you just go by what we've already seen in the manga?
Hell's hound? pheasant peck? You think Oda just pulled this out of his ass?
So again, based on all the prior Admirals the pattern seems to be; DF power related to the color portion of the codename of the Admiral i.e. Magma is related to the color red more than it is related to dogs, blue is more related to ice than pheasants and yellow is more related to light than monkeys. With move/s based on the animal portion of their codename.
Wrong. Based on paper, two admirals already shown to form their animal epithet around their devil fruit movesets whether you like it or not. I already showed manga scans for that. The color scheme of each of them where came after the fact not prior to.

You're just being stubborn again and this is just a repeat of that time you argued with me about the Hisoka vs Chrollo fight in the HxH section. It's just a matter of time when the manga would just prove him right again.
It's not even just an admiral thing

Gekko moria actually used shadow geckos to impale Oars
Doflamingo's flap thread being string flamingo wings
Sengoku the buddha turning into an actual buddha.

These are just the many people just like the admirals
 

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What is wrong with you? Why are you this stubborn?
Sakazuki and Kuzan just used their animal epithet to their devil fruit and here you are saying that none of the admirals used it?
Sengoku the buddha is NOT different because his epithet is after his devil fruit powers, the admirals use their elements to take shape of their epithet so Greenbull would do the same with his element too.

There is no visuals for gravity, what the hell are you talking about? Gravity doesn't have definite shape or matter. There will be other ways for Oda to show the shape of his Raging Tiger but as of right now we don't even know what his devil fruit is called or who specifically ate the devil fruit (him or the blade).

Jesus Christ you're reaching hard. Why don't you just go by what we've already seen in the manga?
Hell's hound? pheasant peck? You think Oda just pulled this out of his ass?

Wrong. Based on paper, two admirals already shown to form their animal epithet around their devil fruit movesets whether you like it or not. I already showed manga scans for that. The color scheme of each of them where came after the fact not prior to.

You're just being stubborn again and this is just a repeat of that time you argued with me about the Hisoka vs Chrollo fight in the HxH section. It's just a matter of time when the manga would just prove him right again.
It's not even just an admiral thing

Gekko moria actually used shadow geckos to impale Oars
Doflamingo's flap thread being string flamingo wings
Sengoku the buddha turning into an actual buddha.

These are just the many people just like the admirals
You're loosing this argument terribly. Chopstick is about 100% correct

Green bull can easily use a plant move called raging bull
 

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What is wrong with you? Why are you this stubborn?
Sakazuki and Kuzan just used their animal epithet to their devil fruit and here you are saying that none of the admirals used it?
Are you dense? Your reply to this None of the Admirals become the animal part is Sakazuki and Kuzan just used their animal epithet to their devil fruit That's not them BECOMING the animal of their codename. Akainu nor Aokiji turned into a dog or a pheasant, their DF powers took the shape of one. so to quote you what is wrong with you why are you this stubborn?

Sengoku the buddha is NOT different because his epithet is after his devil fruit powers, the admirals use their elements to take shape of their epithet so Greenbull would do the same with his element too.
Sengoku is absolutely different, firstly he's an actual Zoan. Secondly his nickname doesn't have a color code with it in line with the Admirals, Sengoku isn't called Golden Buddha just Sengoku the Buddha.

There is no visuals for gravity, what the hell are you talking about? Gravity doesn't have definite shape or matter. There will be other ways for Oda to show the shape of his Raging Tiger but as of right now we don't even know what his devil fruit is called or who specifically ate the devil fruit (him or the blade).

Jesus Christ you're reaching hard. Why don't you just go by what we've already seen in the manga?
Hell's hound? pheasant peck? You think Oda just pulled this out of his ass?

Wrong. Based on paper, two admirals already shown to form their animal epithet around their devil fruit movesets whether you like it or not. I already showed manga scans for that. The color scheme of each of them where came after the fact not prior to.

You're just being stubborn again and this is just a repeat of that time you argued with me about the Hisoka vs Chrollo fight in the HxH section. It's just a matter of time when the manga would just prove him right again.
It's not even just an admiral thing

Gekko moria actually used shadow geckos to impale Oars
Doflamingo's flap thread being string flamingo wings
Sengoku the buddha turning into an actual buddha.

These are just the many people just like the admirals
And none of this matters now because
the admirals use their elements to take shape of their epithet so Greenbull would do the same with his element too.
Is what I've been saying. That Ryokugyu will have a power that relates to nature and the color green and he will have an attack or attacks that take shape of and are named for bulls. You just agreed with the point you've been arguing because seemingly you didn't understand what we were discussing so we're done here.

Yo this guy actually still thinks Issho's blade ate the fruit. I remember when I thought that back when the chapter came out then I listened to people when they pointed out Issho called in meteors while eating ramen with his sword sheathed. And for the record there is a visualization for Issho's gravity in this manga, are you trying to argue real life physics in a manga?
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See those waves? That's the visualization, that could just as easily take the shape of say a paw print based on where the gravity is affected, granted it would have no purpose other than aesthetics

Also you think it's more of a reach that the Admirals gained the animal part of their code name based on personality traits they've all shown to have than it is to assume they got their animal nickname from a single attack. Ok.

And for the record, according to the child drawings by Oda the Admirals wore those colors since childhood so The color scheme of each of them where came after the fact not prior to. seems to not be accurate
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I just want to be clear after all this you do know you've been arguing that Ryokugyu will have a DF that allows him to take the shape of a bull because the other admirals had DF's that allowed them to produce elements they could shape into animals. While my stance has been it's more likely based on Akainu,Aokiji and Kizaru that Ryokugyu will have an element based DF related to his color scheme and he will have moves where it takes the form of his animal part, bulls and the most likely element related to green is plants and it fits his claim of not having eaten for years.
 
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Are you dense? Your reply to this None of the Admirals become the animal part is Sakazuki and Kuzan just used their animal epithet to their devil fruit That's not them BECOMING the animal of their codename. Akainu nor Aokiji turned into a dog or a pheasant, their DF powers took the shape of one. so to quote you what is wrong with you why are you this stubborn?
Are you illiterate or just that retarded? I never said that Akoji or Akainu themselves turned into an animal, I said there movesets had animal epithets. Stop talking like a stubborn dumbass.
@Bold is what I've been saying the whole time.

Sengoku is absolutely different, firstly he's an actual Zoan. Secondly his nickname doesn't have a color code with it in line with the Admirals, Sengoku isn't called Golden Buddha just Sengoku the Buddha.
Read above because I know the difference between a Zoan type and a Logia type


And none of this matters now because
It does matter because Borsalino will create a yellow monkey out of his light devil fruit powers which will reflect on his moniker.
Is what I've been saying. That Ryokugyu will have a power that relates to nature and the color green and he will have an attack or attacks that take shape of and are named for bulls. You just agreed with the point you've been arguing because seemingly you didn't understand what we were discussing so we're done here.

Yo this guy actually still thinks Issho's blade ate the fruit. I remember when I thought that back when the chapter came out then I listened to people when they pointed out Issho called in meteors while eating ramen with his sword sheathed. And for the record there is a visualization for Issho's gravity in this manga, are you trying to argue real life physics in a manga?
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See those waves? That's the visualization, that could just as easily take the shape of say a paw print based on where the gravity is affected, granted it would have no purpose other than aesthetics

Also you think it's more of a reach that the Admirals gained the animal part of their code name based on personality traits they've all shown to have than it is to assume they got their animal nickname from a single attack. Ok.

And for the record, according to the child drawings by Oda the Admirals wore those colors since childhood so The color scheme of each of them where came after the fact not prior to. seems to not be accurate
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I just want to be clear after all this you do know you've been arguing that Ryokugyu will have a DF that allows him to take the shape of a bull because the other admirals had DF's that allowed them to produce elements they could shape into animals. While my stance has been it's more likely based on Akainu,Aokiji and Kizaru that Ryokugyu will have an element based DF related to his color scheme and he will have moves where it takes the form of his animal part, bulls and the most likely element related to green is plants and it fits his claim of not having eaten for years.
I never said anything about what element or type of fruit Greenbull would have, I told @Sakazuki that his devil fruit powers will shape into a bull just like Aokiji shaped his ice to a pheasant and Akainu a magma dog and here you are arguing about something that I wasn't even talking about. You look stupid.
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I don't care if you think he's gonna have a plant life devil fruit power, as far as I'm concerned he's going to have a green color scheme to his devil fruit power and whatever it is whether it be Paramythia or Logia, it will take shape of a bull.
 
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You're loosing this argument terribly. Chopstick is about 100% correct

Green bull can easily use a plant move called raging bull
He's not 100% correct and you're too stupid to read what I've been talking about the whole time. I never said anything about what type of devil fruit powers greenbull has you idiot.

Nobody knows who you are anyways.
 

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He's not 100% correct and you're too stupid to read what I've been talking about the whole time. I never said anything about what type of devil fruit powers greenbull has you idiot.

Nobody knows who you are anyways.
You literally started this argument over us implying Green Bull would likely have a vegetation based DF you then began this tirade about how no it wouldn't be vegetatin based but bull based when now we can clearly see what you really meant was that his move set would be bull based which is what we've been saying from the start. Congratulations holding an argument because you didn't understand the points the people you decided to argue against were making. This is why I told you we were done on the last post. I'm srry we don't all follow your reasoning but this
Ryokugyu means Green bull but I still don't know if he's associated with the folklore but from what the rest have shown we know that his devil fruit powers will take shape of a bull.
sounds an awful lot like you asserting GB will have a bull based zoan DF.
 
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You literally started this argument over us implying Green Bull would likely have a vegetation based DF you then began this tirade about how no it wouldn't be vegetatin based but bull based when now we can clearly see what you really meant was that his move set would be bull based which is what we've been saying from the start. Congratulations holding an argument because you didn't understand the points the people you decided to argue against were making. This is why I told you we were done on the last post. I'm srry we don't all follow your reasoning but this
No I didn’t. What is wrong with you? I used Aokiji and Akainu as examples of why I’m talking about. If I was implying that he was a zoan type then I wouldn’t mention akainu’s Magma being a red dog, or aokiji’s ice being a blue pheasant, gekkco moria’s shadow being a gecko, or even doflamingo’s awakening strings being flamingo wings.

I said that whatever his devil fruit power maybe, one of his movesets will take shape of a bull. I didn’t say anything about him turning into a bull. Learn how to read properly
sounds an awful lot like you asserting GB will have a bull based zoan DF.
No it doesn’t. You just don’t know how to read because I said that Aokiji’s ice took shape of a pheasant same with the two other warlords I mentioned so you’re talking nonsense.

It wouldn’t make sense for Greenbull to be an actual Zoan type because Dalton already are the Ox Ox fruit. So why the hell would I think he’ll be a Zoan in the first place when I already know this information? Simple, you don’t know how to read properly. If I thought greenbull is a Zoan type, I would of actually said that he would be a Zoan type. Not that his devil fruit powers will take shape of a fucking bull.
 
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Akainu doesn't use dogs. He uses red lava. Aokiji doesn't use pheasants he uses blue ice, who cares if they shape some moves into animals, they still don't use the actual animal. The animal is more of their personality and the color is their power
 
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When we first see Kaido he says he wants to start the greatest war the world has ever seen. So, assuming it’s big mom and kaido, and assuming Kizaru shows up, It would be all straw hats and grand fleet, Admiral Kizaru forces attacking unpredictably, The straw hats would be in trouble. I’m assuming shanks may back him up and Marco by suprise
 

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Wouldn't law be able to separate Kaido In his room? I was always under the impression that laws cutting power isn't that strong at all, like zoro or mihawk, but anything his slash touches inside the room, rather it's cuts them or not, allows him to separate them.

Ex: law wouldn't have been able to cut vergo outside of the room

What do you think?
He could cut a meteor in his room so why not?
 
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