Uevermore made a good point in another thread. MS abilities are special for a reason. If any body who just happens to have the same blood as you can counter your super powerful genjustsu, then it diminishes the quality of the eye
Itachi held back on Sasuke just like he did with kakashi. No one can break it except probably the sharinnegan - which more than likely can break anything
The manga states multiple times he can, it shows him doing it, nothing suggests itachi was lying, so what’s so hard to understand? Regardless of making sense of not the author has told us this with no retcon whatsoever. So why fight it? Besides, if itachi undid the jutsu himself, isn’t that kind of sketchy? He probably held back on what he did to sasuke in tsuki, but faking sasuke breaking it would go against what he was trying to do with sasuke in the first place... like damn how hard up are people for itachi? At this point with the kind of logic uver is using for this, we can point at any statement in the manga and just be like “oh no he lied” for our own personal narratives about what we WANTED to happen in the manga
Uevermore made a good point in another thread. MS abilities are special for a reason. If any body who just happens to have the same blood as you can counter your super powerful genjustsu, then it diminishes the quality of the eye
Itachi held back on Sasuke just like he did with kakashi. No one can break it except probably the sharinnegan - which more than likely can break anything
The manga states multiple times he can, it shows him doing it, nothing suggests itachi was lying, so what’s so hard to understand? Regardless of making sense of not the author has told us this with no retcon whatsoever. So why fight it? Besides, if itachi undid the jutsu himself, isn’t that kind of sketchy? He probably held back on what he did to sasuke in tsuki, but faking sasuke breaking it would go against what he was trying to do with sasuke in the first place... like damn how hard up are people for itachi? At this point with the kind of logic uver is using for this, we can point at any statement in the manga and just be like “oh no he lied” for our own personal narratives about what we WANTED to happen in the manga
Tsukuyomi is tskuyomi. The mere fact that he could’ve killed kakashi and didn’t opens the door for him to hold back on anyone. ESPEXIALLY the person he loves more than anyone
I don't know what is wrong with you people with this "no one can break tsukuyomi" nonsense that you are spreading but it's really pathetic if you have to ignore the manga and a character own words just so you can fap to him. Sasuke did break it, that is actually a fact. Yes itachi held back in the fight, does that change the fact that his tsukuyomi was broken? no it does not. What you think or what you want should happen is irrelevant near what the manga shows. If it bothers you and that uver guy so much, then take it up with kishi
The manga states multiple times he can, it shows him doing it, nothing suggests itachi was lying, so what’s so hard to understand? Regardless of making sense of not the author has told us this with no retcon whatsoever. So why fight it? Besides, if itachi undid the jutsu himself, isn’t that kind of sketchy? He probably held back on what he did to sasuke in tsuki, but faking sasuke breaking it would go against what he was trying to do with sasuke in the first place... like damn how hard up are people for itachi? At this point with the kind of logic uver is using for this, we can point at any statement in the manga and just be like “oh no he lied” for our own personal narratives about what we WANTED to happen in the manga
I don't know what is wrong with you people with this "no one can break tsukuyomi" nonsense that you are spreading but it's really pathetic if you have to ignore the manga and a character own words just so you can fap to him. Sasuke did break it, that is actually a fact. Yes itachi held back in the fight, does that change the fact that his tsukuyomi was broken? no it does not. What you think or what you want should happen is irrelevant near what the manga shows. If it bothers you and that uver guy so much, then take it up with kishi
why would itachi use his most powerful jutsu if he knew it could be broken? He told Sasuke to come to him with the same eyes as him and Sasuke only showed up with a 3-T.
And yet ppl still think he broke a MS gen jutsu lol
I don't know what is wrong with you people with this "no one can break tsukuyomi" nonsense that you are spreading but it's really pathetic if you have to ignore the manga and a character own words just so you can fap to him. Sasuke did break it, that is actually a fact. Yes itachi held back in the fight, does that change the fact that his tsukuyomi was broken? no it does not. What you think or what you want should happen is irrelevant near what the manga shows. If it bothers you and that uver guy so much, then take it up with kishi
@bold, yes in fact it does. If I have the strongest (or an unbreakable) grip and I fight with a friend at call it 50%(really anything under 100% proves the point) and he gets loose from my grip, well he didn't actually break the strongest grip, see what I'm saying? Because the only instance we have of it being broken comes from a moment when it wasn't being performed at 100% capacity leaves the door open to the possibility that it's "break" was given to the opponent and that at 100% capacity may be unable to be broken.
Are you rly asking why the most manipulative, deceptive ninja in the NV would fake it? His entire ethos is based off of lying.
As he’s quite well known to.
Databook lol? You’re joking right
Tsukuyomi is tskuyomi. The mere fact that he could’ve killed kakashi and didn’t opens the door for him to hold back on anyone. ESPEXIALLY the person he loves more than anyone
No, I’m asking why bother about it, he didn’t have to say anything at all if he wanted to be deceptive, and why lie to kakashi? especially that far before it’s revealed what he was doing the whole time. My whole point is if he broke it himself sasuke probably would of known. Like I said, he probably held back on what he did to sasuke during tsuki, but breaking it himself would give himself away imo. At this point in the story no one knew yet, and itachi was very much still on his lil mission for sasuke. On top of all that, this is the same dude that said EVERY jutsu has a weakness. I guess he was lying then too? Like where do you draw the line? At what point do we start bringing all statements in the manga into question? He told sasuke he can only beat him with ms, but told kakashi that only someone with the sharingan as a kkg and uchiha blood can break it. So which was it? See what I mean?
- BZ says this genjutsu is one of the strongest in the same fight.
- Itachi wasnt even trying to hurt sasuke, he just wanted him to believe it.
- Itachi has been guilty of lying on several occasions.
1) He said jiraiya can beat both itachi and kisame and tie with more akatsuki added to the equation which was a facade to protect the leaf.
2) databook says Itachi was fooling akatsuki by going after naruto when he just wanted to visit sasuke.
3) He said Madara forcefully took Izuna's eyes which are false.
He taunted sasuke several times to kill a friend to achieve ms which is wrong: only emotional trauma is needed.
He said madara is invincible immortal which wrong because madara can die like any other human, he has a history of being defeated by hashirama: even though barely.
Basically the part 1 statement was a lie to give sasuke hope to prepare kill him.
How can "blood" break something which can control time-space and matter indefinitiely?
Makes no sense.
Sasuke had curse seal chakra, the so-called "blood" and indra's spirit in him to help him break the genjutsu but he still couldnt.
It's hilarious tho, someone like Ao saw through Obito's jinchuuriki genjutsu and saw through Kotoamatsukami in summit yet said his visual prowess and sensory skills cant see through Itachi's Illusions.
Shikaku on the other hand thought Itachi was controlling the alliance(even though he was literally dead at that time), which means Itachi's caliber can accomplish controlling that many individuals per Shikaku.
why would itachi use his most powerful jutsu if he knew it could be broken? He told Sasuke to come to him with the same eyes as him and Sasuke only showed up with a 3-T.
And yet ppl still think he broke a MS gen jutsu lol
It CAN be broken. He himself stated a sharigan user with kkg can beat tsukuyomi. And itachi doesn't specifically mention MS as needed, he simply stated "sharingan".
You see, it's not what we think. Its simply what occurred in the manga backed up by the DB. You are making your claims based on what you believe rather than what was shown to us, that's the problem.
Bro, the databook puts a "?" in that passage. DB is not sure whether he broke it or not.
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Tobi says Sasuke didnt break tsukuyomi and regular genjutsu. He didnt see through.
The part 1 itachi quote is a lie because,
- Tobi says Sasuke didnt break it.
- BZ says this genjutsu is one of the strongest in the same fight.
- Itachi wasnt even trying to hurt sasuke, he just wanted him to believe it.
- Itachi has been guilty of lying on several occasions.
1) He said jiraiya can beat both itachi and kisame and tie with more akatsuki added to the equation which was a facade to protect the leaf.
2) databook says Itachi was fooling akatsuki by going after naruto when he just wanted to visit sasuke.
3) He said Madara forcefully took Izuna's eyes which are false.
He taunted sasuke several times to kill a friend to achieve ms which is wrong: only emotional trauma is needed.
He said madara is invincible immortal which wrong because madara can die like any other human, he has a history of being defeated by hashirama: even though barely.
Basically the part 1 statement was a lie to give sasuke hope to prepare kill him.
How can "blood" break something which can control time-space and matter indefinitiely?
Makes no sense.
Sasuke had curse seal chakra, the so-called "blood" and indra's spirit in him to help him break the genjutsu but he still couldnt.
It's hilarious tho, someone like Ao saw through Obito's jinchuuriki genjutsu and saw through Kotoamatsukami in summit yet said his visual prowess and sensory skills cant see through Itachi's Illusions.
Shikaku on the other hand thought Itachi was controlling the alliance(even though he was literally dead at that time), which means Itachi's caliber can accomplish controlling that many individuals per Shikaku.
Actually @ 2 - Since Hiruzen died he just wanted to make sure if Sasuke is ok. But i agree, I dont think Sasuke broke Tsukuyomi and like you said Itachi wanted to make Sasuke believe that he really wants to take his eyes
Bro, the databook puts a "?" in that passage. DB is not sure whether he broke it or not.
Besides look at this scan
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Tobi says Sasuke didnt break tsukuyomi and regular genjutsu. He didnt see through.
The part 1 itachi quote is a lie because,
- Tobi says Sasuke didnt break it.
- BZ says this genjutsu is one of the strongest in the same fight.
- Itachi wasnt even trying to hurt sasuke, he just wanted him to believe it.
- Itachi has been guilty of lying on several occasions.
1) He said jiraiya can beat both itachi and kisame and tie with more akatsuki added to the equation which was a facade to protect the leaf.
2) databook says Itachi was fooling akatsuki by going after naruto when he just wanted to visit sasuke.
3) He said Madara forcefully took Izuna's eyes which are false.
He taunted sasuke several times to kill a friend to achieve ms which is wrong: only emotional trauma is needed.
He said madara is invincible immortal which wrong because madara can die like any other human, he has a history of being defeated by hashirama: even though barely.
Basically the part 1 statement was a lie to give sasuke hope to prepare kill him.
How can "blood" break something which can control time-space and matter indefinitiely?
Makes no sense.
Sasuke had curse seal chakra, the so-called "blood" and indra's spirit in him to help him break the genjutsu but he still couldnt.
It's hilarious tho, someone like Ao saw through Obito's jinchuuriki genjutsu and saw through Kotoamatsukami in summit yet said his visual prowess and sensory skills cant see through Itachi's Illusions.
Shikaku on the other hand thought Itachi was controlling the alliance(even though he was literally dead at that time), which means Itachi's caliber can accomplish controlling that many individuals per Shikaku.
No, I’m asking why bother about it, he didn’t have to say anything at all if he wanted to be deceptive, and why lie to kakashi? especially that far before it’s revealed what he was doing the whole time. My whole point is if he broke it himself sasuke probably would of known. Like I said, he probably held back on what he did to sasuke during tsuki, but breaking it himself would give himself away imo. At this point in the story no one knew yet, and itachi was very much still on his lil mission for sasuke. On top of all that, this is the same dude that said EVERY jutsu has a weakness. I guess he was lying then too? Like where do you draw the line? At what point do we start bringing all statements in the manga into question? He told sasuke he can only beat him with ms, but told kakashi that only someone with the sharingan as a kkg and uchiha blood can break it. So which was it? See what I mean?
The problem with the whole “every jutsu has a weakness” is that it’s simply not true. IT doesn’t but let’s just say it’s true- that all jutsu have a weakness-
Tsukuyomis weakness is the eye going blind from over use.
To address your other point, (I’m on a phone so excuse me if I can’t see everything u wrote), but I never said itachi broke his own jutsu. That wouldn’t make sense. I said he held back and basically made it seem like Sasuke broke it which isn’t a hard thing for someone of his skill to do
@bold, yes in fact it does. If I have the strongest (or an unbreakable) grip and I fight with a friend at call it 50%(really anything under 100% proves the point) and he gets loose from my grip, well he didn't actually break the strongest grip, see what I'm saying? Because the only instance we have of it being broken comes from a moment when it wasn't being performed at 100% capacity leaves the door open to the possibility that it's "break" was given to the opponent and that at 100% capacity may be unable to be broken.
The problem with your example and the bold is that you are not taking into account that the manga has told us concerning countering tsukuyomi. We know it can be broken so that's not debatable. and we know the instance it was broken was someone who fitted the requirement that itachi spoke off. Him not going for the kill with the jutsu would simply mean that it was prolonged enough for sasuke to break it but he still needed to break it regardless. Itachi didn't undo it
The problem with the whole “every jutsu has a weakness” is that it’s simply not true. IT doesn’t but let’s just say it’s true- that all jutsu have a weakness-
Tsukuyomis weakness is the eye going blind from over use.
To address your other point, (I’m on a phone so excuse me if I can’t see everything u wrote), but I never said itachi broke his own jutsu. That wouldn’t make sense. I said he held back and basically made it seem like Sasuke broke it which isn’t a hard thing for someone of his skill to do
I’m on the phone as well so I feel your pain. The blindness is a general weakness of ms, while tsuki is a singular jutsu, although I can’t straight say your wrong, so it’s really just my belief against yours, which is fine too. If itachi didn’t break it though, how’d it end? It was nothing like the way it ended with kakashi. We literally see the illusion break. I see how him not putting as much pressure on sasuke as say he did kakashi during tsuki might have made it easier, but the fact would still stand that sasuke broke it. I also don’t really think itachi had to hold back that much at the physical state he was in during their fight, but that’s neither here nor there
No, I’m asking why bother about it, he didn’t have to say anything at all if he wanted to be deceptive, and why lie to kakashi? especially that far before it’s revealed what he was doing the whole time. My whole point is if he broke it himself sasuke probably would of known. Like I said, he probably held back on what he did to sasuke during tsuki, but breaking it himself would give himself away imo. At this point in the story no one knew yet, and itachi was very much still on his lil mission for sasuke. On top of all that, this is the same dude that said EVERY jutsu has a weakness. I guess he was lying then too? Like where do you draw the line? At what point do we start bringing all statements in the manga into question? He told sasuke he can only beat him with ms, but told kakashi that only someone with the sharingan as a kkg and uchiha blood can break it. So which was it? See what I mean?
Lying to Kakashi would help Kakashi to believe that Sasuke could break Tsukuyomi, so that when he died to Sasuke it would be believable. Why would Sasuke know if broken Tsukuyomi or not? Tsukuyomi's weakness is that it needs eye contact.
