Sarada's 1 tomoe sharingan abilties DID NOT RECON the story. Here's why.

[Jiren]

The sharingan is well known for a few capabilties

Copying ninjutsu,taijutsu,genjutsu
Utilizing genjutsu
Perceiving and able to distingusih all things made of chakra
Precognition
Etc.


This thread is about Sarada's fight with Buntan where she was able to utilize almost every ability the sharingan has to offer with just her 1 tomoe sharingan.

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In part 1, the 1 tomoe sharingan abilties was rarely showcased aside from the precognition ability. Sasuke used his 1 tomoe sharingan against Haku a kkg ice user so Sasuke did not have any possibility to copy abilities from Haku.

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Sarada can utilize genjutsu better than Sasuke can in part 1 because Sarada's excels in her intelligence and shows talent in genjutsu in the chunin exams.

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With that said we can conclude, the 1 tomoe sharingan abilties were not that of a recon because Kishimoto's manga never established what level of sharingan was required to perform said abilities.




What was said by Chiyo was to not fight a sharingan user 1 on 1. If there was some distinguish in abilities between 1 tomoe and 3 tomoe Chiyo statement might become don't fight a 3 tomoe user 1 on 1 or only fight an Uchiha if they have a 1 tomoe sharingan.

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All sharingans from 1-3 tomoe have the same abilities, the only thing we know for sure the power and perception of the sharingan grows stronger throughout each stage.

 

[salamander uchiha]

This is a sound thread I agree 100%, for a retcon you require an established principle based on facts to be changed. Assumptions aren't facts and assumptions are used by people to claim retcon.

I disagree with precognition, the sharingan grants clarity and it improves with every stage allowing the user to keep up with faster opponents. Precognition(future movements) are a stage 3 phenomenon.

 

[Avery Namikaze]

She's the daughter of Sasuke and Sakura, so she's intelligent and has good chakra control as well as a genjutsu type like Sakura was? So of course she's awesome.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Nobody cares they now have rights and power to retcon everything they want and it will still be canon.

 

[Made in Heaven]

It wasn't a retcon because nothing was established.

 

[Jiren]

This is a sound thread I agree 100%, for a retcon you require an established principle based on facts to be changed. Assumptions aren't facts and assumptions are used by people to claim retcon.

I disagree with precognition, the sharingan grants clarity and it I proves with every stage allowing the user to keep up with faster opponents. Precognition(future movements) are a stage 3 phenomenon.

Exactly. Assumptions cannot be used as grounds to declare to a retcon. The term retcon can only used if there were already established facts to go off by.

Clarity leading up to precog eh? It sounds good I just thought every stage of the sharingan allowed the user to percieve movements better and better but Give me a second to pull up the part 1 scan with Haku to verify.

She's the daughter of Sasuke and Sakura, so she's intelligent and has good chakra control as well as a genjutsu type like Sakura was? So of course she's awesome.

Sarada is awesome and I like that she's already utilizing genjutsu in battles. I hope there is more to come.

 

[lImmortal Regis]

Precognition(future movements) are a stage 3 phenomenon.

There is precognition of any stage of sharingan even with 1T, same with Orochimaru vs Sasuke , it just gets better with every tomoe u get.

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Sarada showed the best usage of sharingan so far, considering all abilities.

Sarada solos

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[Urda]

This is a sound thread I agree 100%, for a retcon you require an established principle based on facts to be changed. Assumptions aren't facts and assumptions are used by people to claim retcon.

I disagree with precognition, the sharingan grants clarity and it I proves with every stage allowing the user to keep up with faster opponents. Precognition(future movements) are a stage 3 phenomenon.

I somewhat agree with a 100% of the Thread, but [BOLD]. We don't know how develop Sarada was with Sharingan before the Chuunin Exams.

[UNDERLINE] You just guaged an ability based off of an opinion/assumption. Buntan was not doing fast movements that Sarada could not perceive,

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[Hyuga Prodigy]

It was never a retcon. I think the problem here is that it blew out the proportion with 1T Sharingan and I am referring to the copy ability. The Sharingan grows in strength when it gain tomoe however Sarada was able to copy multiple jutsu in a single fight. It's a bit too much of stretch but whatever happens happens.

Other then that, I think their way of handling genjutsu and her precognition was fine.

 

[Jinrou]

Wow.. Sarada did all that with 1T? Interesting.. but I don't know tbh.. Each tomoe stage was portrayed as granting one ability in the manga iirc. 1T seemed to give Clarity of perception.. 2T's intro was accompanied with copying which Sasuke utilized from the beginning (Lee, written test) to the end.. while 3T was clearly clairvoyance.

You say there were no limits established.. but VoTE 1 should show the sharingan wouldn't have all the abilities of the complete form in only its first stage.

And Chiyo was definitely referring to adult Uchiha and no adult Uchiha would have an incomplete sharingan.

 

[Jiren]

It was never a retcon. I think the problem here is that it blew out the proportion with 1T Sharingan and I am referring to the copy ability. The Sharingan grows in strength when it gain tomoe however Sarada was able to copy multiple jutsu in a single fight. It's a bit too much of stretch but whatever happens happens.

Other then that, I think their way of handling genjutsu and her precognition was fine.

Isn't the copy ability based off the users knowledge and skill as well as the sharingan mimic ability. Zabuza mentions that Kakashi is able to copy jutsu because he is also very intelligent. I'm not 100% sure if thats what he said but it was something along those lines.

It wasn't a retcon because nothing was established.

Yes finally i agree.

Nobody cares they now have rights and power to retcon everything they want and it will still be canon.

That is true, they could if you put it like that.

 

[Sagebee]

I don't think the issue is her having those abilities at one tomoe it's being that developed and powerful at one tomoe

 

[Made in Heaven]

I don't think the issue is her having those abilities at one tomoe it's being that developed and powerful at one tomoe

Her father's a Six Paths Chakra wielder. It's to be expected Salad would be the way she is, much like Indra and Ashura or Bolt and Himawari.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Now them hyuga boys got a pain in they ass. Fo' sure. Couldve thanked this high quality thread if I could. 10/10 unlike that sharingan bash thread completely negating the fact that Lightning enhanced A has faster reaction than base minato yet Sasuke pierced him with chidori with base 3 tomoe. Hyuga fans are pretty I-dont-know-what-they-are-made-of these days. They blame retcon for thier insecurities on mere anime. Well of course it was a known fact but certain intellectual debate try hards need a brain filler.

 

[Sagebee]

Her father's a Six Paths Chakra wielder. It's to be expected Salad would be the way she is, much like Indra and Ashura or Bolt and Himawari.

She could barely do one clone without losing a lot of energy but she could copy multiple high ranking abilities in leaning more so it was a genjutsu

 

[Jiren]

She could barely do one clone without losing a lot of energy but she could copy multiple high ranking abilities in leaning more so it was a genjutsu

Its simple really. Shadow clone is a jutsu you get better at the more you do it. You cant expect her to pull off a shadow clone jutsu for the 1st time and for the chakra split to be completely perfect. Its possible she poured too much chakra into the clone aside from that im not sure if theres more truth to this. Kakashi even with his shit reserves in p1 can pull off a few clones.

 

[123fire]

Mori jin will come and say retcon nevertheless . :kk:

OT: Agree 100% Sarada solos and it's not a retcon the fight was 10/10

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Mori jin knows whats right but he is salty. He actually knows what correct; which is the sharingan >> Byakugan superiority. If things dont go his way, he resorts to trolling and using big ass emoticons to speak instead of his pretty "rational" and "intellectual" arguments. The day he stops doing that, is the day he stops being a troll.

 

[Brady]

Wow.. Sarada did all that with 1T? Interesting.. but I don't know tbh.. Each tomoe stage was portrayed as granting one ability in the manga iirc. 1T seemed to give Clarity of perception.. 2T's intro was accompanied with copying which Sasuke utilized from the beginning (Lee, written test) to the end.. while 3T was clearly clairvoyance.

You say there were no limits established.. but VoTE 1 should show the sharingan wouldn't have all the abilities of the complete form in only its first stage.

And Chiyo was definitely referring to adult Uchiha and no adult Uchiha would have an incomplete sharingan.

That's just a Sharingan ability that Sasuke shows more vividly once awakening the third-tomoe.

Nothing to copy when fighting Haku. Haku was a Kekkei Genkai user. Even if Sasuke wanted to copy Haku, it'd be useless.

Sasuke had no trouble seeing through movements before, the issue was that Naruto's speed had increased, but the eyes weren't advanced enough to see through it, despite his body being able to. Sasuke's clairvoyance was merely Kishimoto showing us the Sharingan's precognition in a more vivid sense.

If Kishimoto wanted us to believe the stages granted new abilities, it'd be in the databook.

 

[Brady]

Nobody cares they now have rights and power to retcon everything they want and it will still be canon.

If you can point to a vividly established fact, written in bold that the Sharingan's stages contain different abilities, despite the Sharingan having more abilities than the total amount of tomoe's it has, then I'll believe it's a retcon.