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Nagato/pain never said the name “Preta” before they absorbed either.... do you even manga bruh
Said “gakido” when using it as Nagato. And the difference is that they show a barrier around the user’s body when using it too.

When Obito absorbed kakashi’s kyubi chakra cloak and when Madara absorbed wind style: rasenshuriken including Oonoki’s particle style, no barrier or even a little bubble show up like it did with Nagato’s gakido.
 
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Said “gakido” when using it as Nagato. And the difference is that they show a barrier around the user’s body when using it too.

When Obito absorbed kakashi’s kyubi chakra cloak and when Madara absorbed wind style: rasenshuriken including Oonoki’s particle style, no barrier or even a little bubble show up like it did with Nagato’s gakido.
He doesn’t say it when he attempts to absorb naruto chakra, the point I was making to that clown was that not saying a name of a jutsu doesn’t mean it’s not a jutsu, kakashi doesn’t say raikiri every single time he uses it, nor does sasuke for chidori, itachi and tsukiyomi, narutos used kage bunshin numerous times without saying it, etc.
 

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He doesn’t say it when he attempts to absorb naruto chakra, the point I was making to that clown was that not saying a name of a jutsu doesn’t mean it’s not a jutsu, kakashi doesn’t say raikiri every single time he uses it, nor does sasuke for chidori, itachi and tsukiyomi, narutos used kage bunshin numerous times without saying it, etc.
You’re right you don’t say it every time. But when Nagato used it the first time the context bubble appeared next to Nagato, and its usually like that for every jutsu that’s been first introduced. After that they stop writing out the name of the jutsu because of redundancy.
But you have to admit that there’s different absorption power out there, right?
 

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You’re right you don’t say it every time. But when Nagato used it the first time the context bubble appeared next to Nagato, and its usually like that for every jutsu that’s been first introduced. After that they stop writing out the name of the jutsu because of redundancy.
But you have to admit that there’s different absorption power out there, right?
I admit there’s different absorption powers out there, but I still thinks mads, sasukes, and nagatos are the same actual jutsu, nagato is just leagues better at actually using it. At least that’s my stance on it, I certainly won’t attack you for yours
 

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I admit there’s different absorption powers out there, but I still thinks mads, sasukes, and nagatos are the same actual jutsu, nagato is just leagues better at actually using it. At least that’s my stance on it, I certainly won’t attack you for yours
If you were going to go with your opinion, why argue in the first place? For time pass? Unlike you, i conceded when i was in the wrong, but it seems someone is too stubborn for that. Madara has shown a limit, doesnt have a bubble, doesnt call its name, didnt use it omnidirectionally. Isnt it obvious preta is a person jutsu than a dojutsu powerup? Lmao. Rinnegan has a limited absorption, which is not preta. Why didnt they use ST? BT? Do you have an answer for that?
 

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Preta can both absorb people's chakra and absorb ninjutsu

Here Nagato is using Preta to absorb chakra, he even said gakido yet still, no bubble, he used it the same way Sasuke used it on Naruto, to absorb chakra from the body on physical contact
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Preta = Gakido = limitless absorption
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I admit there’s different absorption powers out there, but I still thinks mads, sasukes, and nagatos are the same actual jutsu, nagato is just leagues better at actually using it. At least that’s my stance on it, I certainly won’t attack you for yours
How come obito and madara's absorbing looked different than sasuke's and nagato's was different than all three of them?
I want to know your opinion on it just for observational reasons.
 

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How come obito and madara's absorbing looked different than sasuke's and nagato's was different than all three of them?
I want to know your opinion on it just for observational reasons.
I never noticed a difference at all tbh, nor did I ever consider they where nagatos only, I can’t take credit for it, but wouldn’t you say the obito scan, the konan scan, and the madara scan above kinda give more weight that they are shared jutsus tho
 

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Because he’s set in his belief and I’m set in mine, there’s no reason to argue with him, you on the other hand just spit out whatever dumb sh t comes to your head at once in a bad attempt at trolling people, there’s a big difference. Manga > your opinion
Ooooh. Burn. Manga > Your opinion btw, Rinnegan has an absorption of its own which is limited and you have failed to debunk anything and assumes preta = rinnegan AP which has been continuously debunked and proven wrong. Have a nice day. Too stubborn to argue with.

Preta can both absorb people's chakra and absorb ninjutsu

Here Nagato is using Preta to absorb chakra, he even said gakido yet still, no bubble, he used it the same way Sasuke used it on Naruto, to absorb chakra from the body on physical contact
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Preta = Gakido = limitless absorption
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Nagato was touching Bee like he did to naruto, during pain arc, bubble dont come when the user grabs the opponent.

Nagato did use a bubble to absorb naruto's rasengan when he was ripping his lifeforce with human path. Madara never used it once and also failed to absorb the technique's power. Preta path absorbs power if you didnt know. It absorbed rasengan and rasenshuriken together with the force, which shouldve been erupted in the surrounding like it did to kakuzu, but didnt. Madara's absorption doesnt absorb the force, as you can see madara's hands evaporating with energy steam due to overload and he seemed to feel the overpowering energy's effects as he said "too much energy".

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Look at the steam evaporating from his hands. Despite rasenshuriken not being a steam oriented jutsu, which means the force doesnt get absorbed unlike preta which exhibits no steam when absorbing the same.

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Which mean preta not only absorbs chakra but also the force, otherwise the force would be exhibited in the nearby surroundings.

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Did you know chakra is considered the energy to perform jutsu in NV? Here is a part 1 explanation to all the back ward primitive guys.

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So enough of all the pathetic excuses.
 
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Ooooh. Burn. Manga > Your opinion btw, Rinnegan has an absorption of its own which is limited and you have failed to debunk anything and assumes preta = rinnegan AP which has been continuously debunked and proven wrong. Have a nice day. Too stubborn to argue with.


Nagato was touching Bee like he did to naruto, during pain arc, bubble dont come when the user grabs the opponent.

Nagato did use a bubble to absorb naruto's rasengan when he was ripping his lifeforce with human path. Madara never used it once and also failed to absorb the technique's power. Preta path absorbs power if you didnt know. It absorbed rasengan and rasenshuriken together with the force, which shouldve been erupted in the surrounding like it did to kakuzu, but didnt. Madara's absorption doesnt absorb the force, as you can see madara's hands evaporating with energy steam due to overload and he seemed to feel the overpowering energy's effects as he said "too much energy".

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Look at the steam evaporating from his hands. Despite rasenshuriken not being a steam oriented jutsu, which means the force doesnt get absorbed unlike preta which exhibits no steam when absorbing the same.

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Which mean preta not only absorbs chakra but also the force, otherwise the force would be exhibited in the nearby surroundings.

Fun Fact

Did you know chakra is considered the energy to perform jutsu in NV? Here is a part 1 explanation of all the back ward primitive guys.

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So enough of all the pathetic excuses.
@bold, so that means your done with using them then? Cause bubbles aside, madaras hands are in the exact same position as pretas for this so called “completely different jutsu”
 
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Ooooh. Burn. Manga > Your opinion btw, Rinnegan has an absorption of its own which is limited and you have failed to debunk anything and assumes preta = rinnegan AP which has been continuously debunked and proven wrong. Have a nice day. Too stubborn to argue with.


Nagato was touching Bee like he did to naruto, during pain arc, bubble dont come when the user grabs the opponent.

Nagato did use a bubble to absorb naruto's rasengan when he was ripping his lifeforce with human path. Madara never used it once and also failed to absorb the technique's power. Preta path absorbs power if you didnt know. It absorbed rasengan and rasenshuriken together with the force, which shouldve been erupted in the surrounding like it did to kakuzu, but didnt. Madara's absorption doesnt absorb the force, as you can see madara's hands evaporating with energy steam due to overload and he seemed to feel the overpowering energy's effects as he said "too much energy".

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Look at the steam evaporating from his hands. Despite rasenshuriken not being a steam oriented jutsu, which means the force doesnt get absorbed unlike preta which exhibits no steam when absorbing the same.

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Which mean preta not only absorbs chakra but also the force, otherwise the force would be exhibited in the nearby surroundings.

Fun Fact

Did you know chakra is considered the energy to perform jutsu in NV? Here is a part 1 explanation of all the back ward primitive guys.

You must be registered for see images

So enough of all the pathetic excuses.
Bubble wasn't shown in Madara's case simply because the scan happened after he already absorbed it, both in Jinton and RS cases. Why would they waste a panel of showing us Madara while he's absorbing when we already know how Rinnegan works thanks to Nagato.
 

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I never noticed a difference at all tbh, nor did I ever consider they where nagatos only, I can’t take credit for it, but wouldn’t you say the obito scan, the konan scan, and the madara scan above kinda give more weight that they are shared jutsus tho
I did take into consideration on what Konan, Madara, and Obito’s scan stated. And I started with those scans first before coming into the conclusion of what the author was talking about.
 

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I did take into consideration on what Konan, Madara, and Obito’s scan stated. And I started with those scans first before coming into the conclusion of what the author was talking about.
That’s fair, the only thing that screws it up is the db as everything else falls in line, plus mads’ too much energy line. But even that’s iffy when he had no issue absorbing a big ass jinton
 

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That’s fair, the only thing that screws it up is the db as everything else falls in line, plus mads’ too much energy line. But even that’s iffy when he had no issue absorbing a big ass jinton
I think Madara was talking about Kabuto using too much energy, idk really but it’s too vague to qualify.
If you don’t mind. If you go back to the viz manga, look at madara’s left hand when he’s using anything six path related. Same for Obito’s right hand for anything Six path related.
 

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@bold, so that means your done with using them then? Cause bubbles aside, madaras hands are in the exact same position as pretas for this so called “completely different jutsu”
Madara hands are positioned the same way = same jutsu for you? Why is smoke coming from his hand when they do not for nagato who uses preta? The whole point of that post was proving the smoke difference yet you ignored the entire meaning behind it, gotta give props to that very excellent outstanding intellect.

Bubble wasn't shown in Madara's case simply because the scan happened after he already absorbed it, both in Jinton and RS cases. Why would they waste a panel of showing us Madara while he's absorbing when we already know how Rinnegan works thanks to Nagato.
I said enough with your excuses. Was it ever shown him using an orb in any other scans? No. Are you telling excuses now? Yes. Did madara say "too much energy for me to absorb"? Yes. Did nagato or pain ever say "too much energy for me to absorb"? No.

So the conclusion? Preta is not equal to rinnegan. "When we already know how rinnegan works" <-- is this an argument or a cringeworthy display of "I lack facts mwamwa, so I'll keep making excuses"? Either way. Case closed. And preta not equal to rinnegan. Analyse properly and see if you get another loophole in my argument and use it intelligently next time.
 

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That’s fair, the only thing that screws it up is the db as everything else falls in line, plus mads’ too much energy line. But even that’s iffy when he had no issue absorbing a big ass jinton
Did madara even absorb the Jinton fully? No. Case closed, brother. Madara has always bragged about a lot of things, he even said mei's lava is not even worthy to be taken seriously but fact is, it melted his Susanoo right? Madara is a prideful guy, he will say he can do something, when everything proves he cant. He couldnt absorb jinton, which if in preta's hands wouldve absorbed it almost immediately like jiraiya's senpou goemon and killer b's eight tails chakra which have a lot more energy than jinton.
 

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Did madara even absorb the Jinton fully? No. Case closed, brother. Madara has always bragged about a lot of things, he even said mei's lava is not even worthy to be taken seriously but fact is, it melted his Susanoo right? Madara is a prideful guy, he will say he can do something, when everything proves he cant. He couldnt absorb jinton, which if in preta's hands wouldve absorbed it almost immediately like jiraiya's senpou goemon and killer b's eight tails chakra which have a lot more energy than jinton.
Manga says he absorbed it, manga > your opinion
 

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I think Madara was talking about Kabuto using too much energy, idk really but it’s too vague to qualify.
If you don’t mind. If you go back to the viz manga, look at madara’s left hand when he’s using anything six path related. Same for Obito’s right hand for anything Six path related.
Eh, what’s going on with their hands?
 

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Manga says he absorbed it, manga > your opinion
When did he absorb? Nothing suggests ge can absorb it fully, he took a lot of time unlike gakido which absorbed far more chakra than that Jinton. Or are you saying onoki has more chakra than eight tails? He can absorb it, but his limit is rasenshuriken level chakra. More than that is overload. Concede.
 
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