[Discussion] Is Katakuri Admiral level?

[Bogard]

When did doffy struggle "quite a bit" against gears 2/3.. :|

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if that was the case then why would luffy go g4?

Doffy was part of the reason. Another reason being the birdcage timelimit

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[Olorin]

no, no he is not, once WB died everyone fled before Akainu including Marco and the other commanders

the only character in the same tier as admirals in this chapter was Big Mom

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

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Doffy was part of the reason. Another reason being the birdcage timelimit

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Totally forgot about this my bad bogard thank you for clarifying

 

[Dannie]

Doflamingo is around the same level as Aokiji - low/mid tier admiral. Obviously he would not be on the high tier level like Akainu or Kizaru, so people are automatically under the assumption that just because a character can't beat Akainu or fight with Akainu that they are not admiral level, which is ridiculous considering there are different levels within admiral. Not every admiral is on the same level of strength, which is why I brought up the example of Doflamingo breaking out of Aokiji's ice, or Doffy going toe to toe with Fujitora, both admirals. You think someone who can do that with 2 admirals are not admiral level? Marco was doing pretty decent against Kizaru

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, which was an admiral level feat.

Katakuri is a few tiers above Doffy considering what he is doing to Luffy, so he is obviously admiral level.

 

[Olorin]

Doflamingo is around the same level as Aokiji - low/mid tier admiral. Obviously he would not be on the high tier level like Akainu or Kizaru, so people are automatically under the assumption that just because a character can't beat Akainu or fight with Akainu that they are not admiral level, which is ridiculous considering there are different levels within admiral. Not every admiral is on the same level of strength, which is why I brought up the example of Doflamingo breaking out of Aokiji's ice, or Doffy going toe to toe with Fujitora, both admirals. You think someone who can do that with 2 admirals are not admiral level? Marco was doing pretty decent against Kizaru

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, which was an admiral level feat.

Katakuri is a few tiers above Doffy considering what he is doing to Luffy, so he is obviously admiral level.

Fujitora wasn't there to defeat Dofy though :/

and not being 1hit KOd by an Admiral does NOT place u on the same tier as the Admirals :/

 

[Dannie]

Fujitora wasn't there to defeat Dofy though :/

It doesn't matter,

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and not being 1hit KOd by an Admiral does NOT place u on the same tier as the Admirals :/

If you can stand up to an admiral, not get low or mid diffed, and defend against their attacks while displaying high level attacks yourself then you are admiral level, which is what Doffy has displayed TWICE.

Seems like you people are just overrating the term admiral to make other characters seen weak.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Mihawk?

Idk he's a mystery still. He dueled a Yonkou but as I recall those fights were draws. He could give an Admiral a hard fight but idk that he can beat one absolutely.

 

[Olorin]

It doesn't matter,

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If you can stand up to an admiral, not get low or mid diffed, and defend against their attacks while displaying high level attacks yourself then you are admiral level, which is what Doffy has displayed TWICE.

Seems like you people are just overrating the term admiral to make other characters seen weak.

so what if he cut a big piece of rock?

he didn't stand up to Kuzan in a fight, he just didn't die from one attack, Kizaru's light kick didn't kill Luffy, Luffy also got shot by him, I guess part 1 Luffy was Admiral tier too

 

[Dannie]

so what if he cut a big piece of rock?

He cut an attack that was used by an admiral with ease. Is that not an admiral level complimentary?

he didn't stand up to Kuzan in a fight, he just didn't die from one attack,

Because Doflamingo was not looking to fight him. Funny how you choose to brush off that like it is nothing and acting like Doflamingo would have been low diffed if he HAD fought him, seeing that he would most likely not have any problems pushing Aokiji to a high diff fight.

Kizaru's light kick didn't kill Luffy, Luffy also got shot by him, I guess part 1 Luffy was Admiral tier too

This makes absolutely no sense since if Luffy got one shoted by Kizaru's kick and clumsily and barely was able to dodge it while not getting killed then that accounts to luck, not because he was admiral level, and using this comparison is quite dumb since a pre TS Luffy was out of his league in the MF war and was WELL below admiral level obviously.

 

[Olorin]

He cut an attack that was used by an admiral with ease. Is that not an admiral level complimentary?



Because Doflamingo was not looking to fight him. Funny how you choose to brush off that like it is nothing and acting like Doflamingo would have been low diffed if he HAD fought him, seeing that he would most likely not have any problems pushing Aokiji to a high diff fight.



This makes absolutely no sense since if Luffy got one shoted by Kizaru's kick and clumsily and barely was able to dodge it while not getting killed then that accounts to luck, not because he was admiral level, and using this comparison is quite dumb since a pre TS Luffy was out of his league in the MF war and was WELL below admiral level obviously.

ok

 

[Our Lord Sasuke]

Jack is definitely not the FM of Kaido's crew. In a picture of Oda's office, you could see a piece of paper with the names "Kaido, King, Queen, and Jack" written from top to bottom. The implication should be obvious. Besides do you really think that Jack, who is the most violent and sadistic person in OP, would have a bounty lower than Katakuri if he really was Kaido's FM?

The difference between Doflamingo and Dogtooth and Wave is that Dogtooth and Wave are literal English translations of Katakuri's and Nami's names. The translators aren't supposed to take the literal English translations of the characters names.

Where is scan of the piece of paper?

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Fujitora wasn't there to defeat Dofy though :/

and not being 1hit KOd by an Admiral does NOT place u on the same tier as the Admirals :/

The only other person to do so is whitebeard himself
Everyone else has either had to wait or somehow defrost it I mean caught off guard jozu literally lost an arm (granted it was named ice attack and it seemed more cutting but point is it is still an impressive feat) keep in mind doffy still attacked smoker knowing that kuzan was behind him, because he literally gave no ****s and he was confident in his abilities that he would not get one shotted like everyone else (aside from jozu marco and whitebeard) do I think doffy can defeat kuzan? Not in the slightest honestly I think doffy would give him a mid diff fight perhaps semi high but nothing more than that .


Also this whole katakuri thing being an admiral lvl because hes first mate
Can we please not jump to conclusions Marcos feats belong to him not his titled from what I've seen none of these commanders can do even remotely what Marco did ( can they fight and fend off one sure, but what makes Marco special is that he literally ran up and on 3 separate occasions faught an admiral each time and had good showings in all. Until I see another commander do anything of the slightest I'm not automatically give someone feats just due to that rank because by that logic everyone can block mihawk slash like jozu (and also vista) and honestly no.. just no..

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Jack is definitely not the FM of Kaido's crew. In a picture of Oda's office, you could see a piece of paper with the names "Kaido, King, Queen, and Jack" written from top to bottom. The implication should be obvious. Besides do you really think that Jack, who is the most violent and sadistic person in OP, would have a bounty lower than Katakuri if he really was Kaido's FM?

What desk? And do you really believe that Jack with Billion bounty is going to be as low the million range 2nd and 3rd commander such as Smoothie and Cracker? So that goes both ways too.
Regardless of who's bounty is slightly higher than who's, both Dogtooth and Jack are in the same Billion bounty range, who's to say that Marco isn't lower than Dogtooth's? As fair as the manga goes Jack is the first mate until stated otherwise, I'm not going to go off on a theory that is yet to be confirmed a fact or not. Stick to what's on paper, that's all I'm saying. I wouldn't doubt that there would be others above Jack, but manga is manga until proven otherwise.
That's what I've been saying the whole time.

The difference between Doflamingo and Dogtooth and Wave is that Dogtooth and Wave are literal English translations of Katakuri's and Nami's names. The translators aren't supposed to take the literal English translations of the characters names.

I never heard anything about Wave. And like I said before, I personally like this alias Dogtooth.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

What desk? And do you really believe that Jack with Billion bounty is going to be as low the million range 2nd and 3rd commander such as Smoothie and Cracker? So that goes both ways too.
Regardless of who's bounty is slightly higher than who's, both Dogtooth and Jack are in the same Billion bounty range, who's to say that Marco isn't lower than Dogtooth's? As fair as the manga goes Jack is the first mate until stated otherwise, I'm not going to go off on a theory that is yet to be confirmed a fact or not. Stick to what's on paper, that's all I'm saying. I wouldn't doubt that there would be others above Jack, but manga is manga until proven otherwise.
That's what I've been saying the whole time.

I never heard anything about Wave. And like I said before, I personally like this alias Dogtooth.

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Jack is the weakest Calamity, but his bounty is higher than Cracker's and Smoothie's because Jack is a psychopath who goes around destroying towns and cities just for the fun of it. It's the same reason why Kidd had a higher bounty than Luffy at Sabaody.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

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Jack is the weakest Calamity, but his bounty is higher than Cracker's and Smoothie's because Jack is a psychopath who goes around destroying towns and cities just for the fun of it. It's the same reason why Kidd had a higher bounty than Luffy at Sabaody.

A "random note" doesn't cut it. Like I said before manga is still manga, hold off on all speculations for the time being. Everything else you said is not factual either.
Destroying a few towns here and there is nothing compared to facing the world govt. like Luffy did, so according to all the other supernova's, Luffy is the most troublesome one more than Kidd.

 

[TheNuetrix]

Doflamingo is around the same level as Aokiji - low/mid tier admiral. Obviously he would not be on the high tier level like Akainu or Kizaru, so people are automatically under the assumption that just because a character can't beat Akainu or fight with Akainu that they are not admiral level, which is ridiculous considering there are different levels within admiral. Not every admiral is on the same level of strength, which is why I brought up the example of Doflamingo breaking out of Aokiji's ice, or Doffy going toe to toe with Fujitora, both admirals. You think someone who can do that with 2 admirals are not admiral level? Marco was doing pretty decent against Kizaru

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, which was an admiral level feat.

Katakuri is a few tiers above Doffy considering what he is doing to Luffy, so he is obviously admiral level.

Firstly, Doflamingo did not go "toe to toe" with Fujitora, it was just one kick which Fujitora easily blocked. Second, Doflamingo escaping the ice could have been his Conqueror's Haki, which Shanks and Big Mom demonstrated is capable of damaging the surrounding. Third, Aokiji is not as weak as most people say. He fought Akainu for 10 days straight, f'ed up half an island in the process and that large scar on Akainu's face/neck is the definition of High Difficulty.
Take Ace vs Jinbei or example, their fight lasted 5 days because they were near equals but ace was slightly stronger so he won. Same logic with Aokiji vs Akainu.

 

[Dannie]

Firstly, Doflamingo did not go "toe to toe" with Fujitora, it was just one kick which Fujitora easily blocked. Second, Doflamingo escaping the ice could have been his Conqueror's Haki, which Shanks and Big Mom demonstrated is capable of damaging the surrounding. Third, Aokiji is not as weak as most people say. He fought Akainu for 10 days straight, f'ed up half an island in the process and that large scar on Akainu's face/neck is the definition of High Difficulty.
Take Ace vs Jinbei or example, their fight lasted 5 days because they were near equals but ace was slightly stronger so he won. Same logic with Aokiji vs Akainu.

Doflamingo has conquerors haki?

 

[TheNuetrix]

Doflamingo has conquerors haki?

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[TheNuetrix]

Doflamingo has conquerors haki?

Episode 624 or Chapter 698

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[Dannie]

Episode 624 or Chapter 698

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Oh damn I never knew, thanks.