Chakra and affinities.

[SenseiSama]

Indra is an ancestor but it's still an MS ability. You see MS users themselves are rare let alone susanoo which requires both MS eyes. And then taking to make a perfect Susanoo. Indra is also the ancestor of the Uchiha he embodies the strongest eyes. His descendants however share his power whether they're incarnates or not. Dome bring it to fruition and the others do not.

It's not only both MS eyes, that's just one of the requirements, the other is to have the Yin affinity to use it, something only incarnates and people of similar level possess.


Itachi had Susanoo because his Yin was strong enough to rival MS Sasuke's and grant EMS, it's why his genjutsu was so haxx, illusions are highly dependent on mental energy which is Yin.


Sasuke and Madara had Susanoo because they had Indra's Yin which is the strongest, Obito's chakra gave Kakashi Susanoo because Sage chakra gave his dojutsu similar levels of Yin as Indra (Indra had MS powered by Sage chakra)

Having double MS does not necessary equate to having the Yin affinity to use avatars.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

affinity is what your chakra naturally lends itself towards and it's easier for you to use. that doesn't mean you can't use other natures.

Sasuke's affinity is lightning but with practice he can use fire.
Naruto's is wind but as seen in the latest chapter he can use earth.

 

[salamander uchiha]

affinity is what your chakra naturally lends itself towards and it's easier for you to use. that doesn't mean you can't use other natures.

Sasuke's affinity is lightning but with practice he can use fire.
Naruto's is wind but as seen in the latest chapter he can use earth.

I think you missed the point of the thread altogether.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Your wrong Indra's Yin is the strongest is doesn't mean others can't use perfect susanoo or they don't have strong yin. They aren't the requirements for perfect susanoo and never were. Obito's yin is strong enough to use the MS once awakened that and dual mange you are the only conditons.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I think you missed the point of the thread altogether.

i didn't miss anything. U just used shitty scans.

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[salamander uchiha]

i didn't miss anything. U just used shitty scans.

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Wtf manga equals shitty scans.

I think your confused you need help. This topic is about the chakra possessing an elemental affinity and once chakra is manifested like rasengan it should already contain the elemental affinity, or rather the rasengan should be made of wind or lightning or whatever the users natural affinity is.

This isn't about converting chakra to other affinities that aren't the users natural affinity. Your just shit at comprehension.

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The scan confirming chakra has a natural nature outside of being transformed into others.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Wtf manga equals shitty scans.

I think your confused you need help. This topic is about the chakra possessing an elemental affinity and once chakra is manifested like rasengan it should already contain the elemental affinity, or rather the rasengan should be made of wind or lightning or whatever the users natural affinity is.

This isn't about converting chakra to other affinities that aren't the users natural affinity. Your just shit at comprehension.

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The scan confirming chakra has a natural nature outside of being transformed into others.

thats where u fcked up. It doesn't the Viz scan clears that up:

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Viz clearly explains that's its a predisposition and all you affinity means that you lean towards that specific nature. It doesn't mean u have it. Unlike the scans youre using that implies that techs like rasengan already have an element in them by default.,

 

[salamander uchiha]

thats where u fcked up. It doesn't the Viz scan clears that up:

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Viz clearly explains that's its a predisposition and all you affinity means that you lean towards that specific nature. It doesn't mean u have it. Unlike the scans youre using that implies that techs like rasengan already have an element in them by default.,

How about you post a viz scan of the page I provided.
Predisposeductive is a fancy way of saying which nature your chakra is.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

thats where u fcked up. It doesn't the Viz scan clears that up:

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Viz clearly explains that's its a predisposition and all you affinity means that you lean towards that specific nature. It doesn't mean u have it. Unlike the scans youre using that implies that techs like rasengan already have an element in them by default.,

This makes sense and is possibly what chakra affinity is.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

How about you post a viz scan of the page I provided.

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there u go, doesn't change my point.

 

[salamander uchiha]

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there u go, doesn't change my point.

Thanks so how does this disagree with what I've said kakashi says you can find you true nature. True nature of what? His chakra so it's in line with what I've said. If chakra was natureless that statement wouldn't hold weight.

 

[SenseiSama]

thats where u fcked up. It doesn't the Viz scan clears that up:

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Viz clearly explains that's its a predisposition and all you affinity means that you lean towards that specific nature. It doesn't mean u have it. Unlike the scans youre using that implies that techs like rasengan already have an element in them by default.,

Hiruzen proved that wrong



And so did Sasuke, his skill with dojutsu matches his skill with lightning, dojutsu relies on Yin affinity



The reason people can't master all elements their chakra has an affinity to is because they don't have the time, look how Naruto struggled to use Wind, but now he can effortlessly use any element at the same level as his Fuuton. It takes a special type of talent to master multiple elements.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Hiruzen proved that wrong



And so did Sasuke, his skill with dojutsu matches his skill with lightning, dojutsu relies on Yin affinity



The reason people can't master all elements their chakra has an affinity to is because they don't have the time, look how Naruto struggled to use Wind, but now he can effortlessly use any element at the same level as his Fuuton. It takes a special type of talent to master multiple elements.

I think everybody is going off topic again behave children we're talking about chakra's natural affinity and it's manifestation. Not about learning other natures or changing your chakra nature for jutsu which I hope nobody disagrees with.

Anybody want to discuss anything else start another thread.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Thanks so how does this disagree with what I've said kakashi says you can find you true nature. True nature of what his chakra so it's in line with what I've said. If chakra was natureless that stameentry wouldn't hold weight.

Chakra is natureless, that's a special piece of paper that reacts to your chakra to show your predisposition. You'd still have to elementary recompose your chakra to use elemental techs.

Hiruzen proved that wrong



And so did Sasuke, his skill with dojutsu matches his skill with lightning, dojutsu relies on Yin affinity



The reason people can't master all elements their chakra has an affinity to is because they don't have the time, look how Naruto struggled to use Wind, but now he can effortlessly use any element at the same level as his Fuuton. It takes a special type of talent to master multiple elements.

How did hiruzen prove it wrong.

Yin and yang is somthing complety different:

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[SenseiSama]

I think everybody is going off topic again behave children we're talking about chakra's natural affinity and it's manifestation. Not about learning other natures or changing your chakra nature for jutsu which I hope nobody disagrees with.

Anybody want to discuss anything else start another thread.

Dude the reason elements are called chakra nature is because they are produced using the person's chakra, the affinity is within the chakra.


But what I'm saying is that affinity isn't restricted to one element, there are multiple shinobi that have proven that to be false. Hashirama, Hiruzen, Onoki, Sasuke, Rinnegan users, SPS users.


Anyone can have multiple affinities but only few have the talent to use those multiple affinities at an equally high level.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Chakra is natureless, that's a special piece of paper that reacts to your chakra to show your predisposition. You'd still have to elementary recompose your chakra to use elemental techs.






How did hiruzen prove it wrong.

Yin and yang is somthing complety different:

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Really if it was natureless then why does kakashi say your true nature he would've said inclination to.
Ps. Got a link to where I can read the Viz translation.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Really if it was natureless then why does kakashi say your true nature he would've said inclination to.
Ps. Got a link to where I can read the Viz translation.

ur arguing semantics now. It being naruto's true nature doesn't mean it's in his chakra at all times. If it did he wouldn't have to go the the training.

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isn't only an affinity. Something he leans towards.

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here u go

 

[SenseiSama]

Really if it was natureless then why does kakashi say your true nature he would've said inclination to.

Kakashi went on to say jonin have minimum two affinities, I don't see what's the argument. A shinobi can use multiple chakra natures if they have the skill and just because they don't doesn't meant they lack the affinity.


If Hashirama only had one affinity he wouldn't be able to use KKG or genjutsu, if Sasuke had only one affinity he wouldn't be able to use Katon, Raiton and genjutsu all at the highest level.


Hirizen was praised because he had the skill to master all his affinities, most ninja can't be master of spades and Kakashi's statement was from the perspective of most ninja.


Nagato is another example of someone with multiple affinities.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Dude the reason elements are called chakra nature is because they are produced using the person's chakra, the affinity is within the chakra.


But what I'm saying is that affinity isn't restricted to one element, there are multiple shinobi that have proven that to be false. Hashirama, Hiruzen, Onoki, Sasuke, Rinnegan users, SPS users.


Anyone can have multiple affinities but only few have the talent to use those multiple affinities at an equally high level.

And I agree and I've never said that it's restricted everybody has a base affinity they're inclined to and can naturally manifest. And others they can learn by changing their chakra via handseals.

What kakashi means is they can use two elements you have 1 which is your natural affinty/nature and you learn how to use the other 1's which would be more difficult and it's likely a requirement to become a Jonin.

Those with kekkei genkai fall under different rules which is explained by kakashi like Yamato and Haku possessing two natural affinities /natures.

Nagato's are largely related to the rinnegan.

 

[salamander uchiha]

ur arguing semantics now. It being naruto's true nature doesn't mean it's in his chakra at all times. If it did he wouldn't have to go the the training.

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isn't only an affinity. Something he leans towards.

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here u go

Fair point makes sense.

Ps. Thanks for the link.