Gentle Fist

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

We can see from how Boruto used GF without his Jougan that it's not a feat attributable to the doujutsu itself.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Lol. Insult me if you want, but I'll not believe something I haven't seen, and thus far we haven't seen Himawari use GF. She awakened her Byakugan and blocked Naruto's chakra point with her finger (as her eyes allowed her the perception to).

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We can see from how Boruto used GF without his Jougan that it's not a feat attributable to the doujutsu itself.

That isn't the Gentle Fist ability, that's just the Gentle Fist Taijutsu style.

 

[Unknnown]

Ditto.

dutto;')

Who here honestly believes that by simply awakening the Byakugan, one can immediately learn an entire taijutsu tyle?

It doesn't

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

she never did a GF taijutsu but she did what was basically a 64 palm with one finger after awakening her byakugan

if it was that easy Hinata, Neji, Hiashi, etc... would of been doing that all their lives and fights would end with one poke

That wasn't 64 Palms. She hit him only once, lmao.

Also Boruto could use GF without his Jougan. That should tell you that GF is just a fighting style and is not concomitant with Byakugan.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

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That isn't the Gentle Fist ability, that's just the Gentle Fist Taijutsu style.

Blocking someone's chakra point because you see it is different from an entire fighting style that is based on that ability.

Blocking chakra points doesn't necessarily mean you've learned GF. Himawari would get wrecked in a fight against Hyuuga members if she never got the training as she would lack GF as a martial art.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Blocking someone's chakra point because you see it is different from an entire fighting style that is based on that ability.

Blocking chakra points doesn't necessarily mean you've learned GF. Himawari would get wrecked in a fight against Hyuuga members if she never got the training as she would lack GF as a martial art.

I know. I am talking about the ability, not style.

Again, not talking of the martial art, just the base technique

 

[uhmusddy]

Don't flip my Boruto reference Zack. Boruto knows the martial art forms not the actual abilities or techniques.

& 64 palms are literally pokes. Anyways Hinata even stated a technique name when she saw what Himawari did to Naruto. It was definitely a GF technique if she recognized it.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

That wasn't 64 Palms. She hit him only once, lmao.

Also Boruto could use GF without his Jougan. That should tell you that GF is just a fighting style and is not concomitant with Byakugan.

lol

she basically did a 64 palm with one finger... fights would end with one poke

as in not 64 but one

Boruto is doing the taijutsu style but without any KKG chakra involved

I talked about it here:

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[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

I know. I am talking about the ability, not style.

Again, not talking of the martial art, just the base technique

It's a Byakugan feat, sure, but Air Palm, Rotation etc. are not of Byakugan. They're jutsu devised for the doujutsu and are like what fire style is to the Uchiha clan.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

It's a Byakugan feat, sure, but Air Palm, Rotation etc. are not of Byakugan. They're jutsu devised for the doujutsu and are like what fire style is to the Uchiha clan.

no fire style is based of an affinity

you should say Susanoo

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Rotation makes use of the control a Hyuuga has over their tenketsu. The Byakugan is not included in that dynamic at all.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

no fire style is based of an affinity

you should say Susanoo

No. Fire Style is an affinity or clan perk of the Uchiha like Shape Manipulation and inherent prowess with tenketsu is to the Hyuuga. Uchiha are born able to manipulate fire without any difficulty, and Hyuuga also have a similar perk with how they're able to channel their chakra into their fingers without training.

It's not coincidence that Boruto is able to manipulate 3 elements without any difficulty. It's because of his Hyuuga side. He mastered Rasengan within a day which involves a lot of shape manipulation - add that as well.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Rotation makes use of the control a Hyuuga has over their tenketsu. The Byakugan is not included in that dynamic at all.

the rotation was created to cover the byakugan's blind spot

the move uses the chakra KKG and the byakugan since the byakugan has 360 vision and you are rotating quite quickly

every time the rotation was used in the manga the user had the byakugan active

you can use that chakra KKG without the byakugan sure but you would be aiming blindly without targets, without 360 vision and without even knowing if you are hitting a chakra point


but to even get that chakra KKG you need to unlock the byakugan first


even in the Hanabi vs Boruto test match, Hanabi didn't use the actual GF besides rotation and maybe a light version of vacuum palm

she should used the taijutsu style without expelling any lethal chakra

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

the rotation was created to cover the byakugan's blind spot

the move uses the chakra KKG and the byakugan since the byakugan has 360 vision and you are rotating quite quickly

every time the rotation was used in the manga the user had the byakugan active

you can use that chakra KKG without the byakugan sure but you would be aiming blindly without targets, without 360 vision and without even knowing if you are hitting a chakra point


but to even get that chakra KKG you need to unlock the byakugan first


even in the Hanabi vs Boruto test match, Hanabi didn't use the actual GF besides rotation and maybe a light version of vacuum palm

she should used the taijutsu style without expelling any lethal chakra

The Byakugan has no contribution to its creation just as Sharingan has no contribution to Chidori's creation. However, both are used to facilitate the use of the aforementioned techniques.

GF is a fighting style conceived to complement the Hyuuga's inherent ability to manipulate their tenketsu and chakra itself. With their Byakugan awakened, they gain better understanding of how their chakra works, and are then able to manipulate it more freely.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

No. Fire Style is an affinity or clan perk of the Uchiha like Shape Manipulation and inherent prowess with tenketsu is to the Hyuuga. Uchiha are born able to manipulate fire without any difficulty, and Hyuuga also have a similar perk with how they're able to channel their chakra into their fingers without training.

It's not coincidence that Boruto is able to manipulate 3 elements without any difficulty. It's because of his Hyuuga side. He mastered Rasengan within a day which involves a lot of shape manipulation - add that as well.

yes but a fire tech itself isn't specific not like those secret Uchiha fire techs that are actual real uchiha gene moves

there are a ton of Uchiha other moves that arent gene based and neither those gene based ones or non gene one's require you to unlock the MS or sharringan to use them

hence why I said Susanoo since you need to get MS to get Susanoo but after that you don't need to use sharringan to use Susanoo
it would be better to do so but you don't need to


plus the chakra control stuff is the other gene benefit for the hyuga life Uchiha's fire stuff that doesn't require unlocking the byakugan first (maybe since Boruto has easy control of chakra manipulation but not that kKG needed for GF)

 

[Reviewing Logic]

The Byakugan has no contribution to its creation just as Sharingan has no contribution to Chidori's creation. However, both are used to facilitate the use of the aforementioned techniques.

Chidori isn't a Uchiha move

Lightning blade was made by Kakashi.... and again not chakra control but the ablility to expel lethal chakra that can do a multitude of things and expelling it from all chakra points so far requires the byakugan to be unlocked first for them to have the ability

let alone sealing the chakra points that requires the byakugan to be active

 

[Dgrayman]

sad, stop hating

 

[Michael]

Thank you and Himawari FTW!

 

[Reviewing Logic]

anyway we made two seperate topics too now

GF KKG

Gentle Fist Taijutsu

two different things


you unlock the GF KKG when you unlock the byakugan

you then combine the two with a marriage of taijutsu to make the Gentle Fist Taijutsu


Himawari couldn't have learnt how to seal a chakra point let alone be able to seal the whole system when she didn't have a byakugan before

therefore she couldn't see the points

they are ridiculously small and need precision

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let alone sealing a WHOLE system of a Jinjuriki no less with one poke, seconds after unlocking her eyes (Neji couldn't with 64, not sure about part 2 Neji since his 64 in the chunin exams was self taught)


she is an exception and a quick learner

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Chidori isn't a Uchiha move

Lightning blade was made by Kakashi.... and again not chakra control but the ablility to expel lethal chakra that can do a multitude of things and expelling it from all chakra points so far requires the byakugan to be unlocked first for them to have the ability

let alone sealing the chakra points that requires the byakugan to be active

Sealing chakra points is a Byakugan technique, I can take that, but conceived techniques like Rotation and Air Palm that the clan conceals from its clansmen are not abilities of the Byakugan. If they were, all side branch members could do Rotation/Air Palm upon awakening their Byakugan.