Hashirama's Healing without Seals

[Lightbringer]

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Auto healing with out sage mode.

I honestly don't know whether that was really healing.

If it was, it took 5 chapters for it to happen.

 

[TheEvilOne]

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Auto healing with out sage mode.

It is still not regeneration, at least not as fast as Madara's, Tsunade's or Hashirama's.

 

[Joshutsu]

Basically, you would think people would find this kind of obvious since we first saw hashirama go SM and right after his wounds started to heal, whereas previously they weren't.

 

[Xāvî1]

I'm still not sure.

 

[Anorien16]

Most likely its not a passive ability .... it needs active attention, like sending proper chakra at the right places.

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

Thank you for clearing the doubts. Nice thread!

 

[kiiro]

sage mode amplifies natural abilities. Maybe he had a form of Strength of 100, and because his reserves her already massive he didn't need a yinseal, the he could heal himself, and sage mode only made it stronger.

Do you know the difference of yin seal and byakugou?

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Only Madara truly knows. But I agree with OP that Hashi heals during SM. Putting everything in context, and in retrospect, Madara have intended to acquire Hashi's sage chakra at the tail end of the war.

Madara-Sage Chakra-Hashirama's healing - They all line up together.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Do you know the difference of yin seal and byakugou?

Sometimes, I think she doesn't. Sometimes she'll hit the right moment, Sometimes you'll just want to eh.

 

[SenseiSama]

Yep, healing was originally Ashura's feat and Ashura's power is Senjutsu. Hashi can't use healing without SM no different to Naruto who needs BSM at the very least to have full control over healing feats.

 

[SenseiSama]

Do you know the difference of yin seal and byakugou?

they're the same thing, only difference is Tsunade called hers the "yin" seal because it keeps her body looking young like an illusion, illusion jutsu being yin techniques by definition.

 

[kiiro]

they're the same thing, only difference is Tsunade called hers the "yin" seal because it keeps her body looking young like an illusion, illusion jutsu being yin techniques by definition.

False. Yin seal is the seal in her face. It is where she stores her chakra. She uses a simple tecnic to llok young. Byakugou is a tecnic where she uses the Yin Seal to have large chakra reserves to have regeneration.

Two different thing. You can use the seal for anything. It is just chakra stored.

 

[SenseiSama]

False. Yin seal is the seal in her face. It is where she stores her chakra. She uses a simple tecnic to llok young. Byakugou is a tecnic where she uses the Yin Seal to have large chakra reserves to have regeneration.

Two different thing. You can use the seal for anything. It is just chakra stored.

No, Byakogou is what stores chakra and heals, she learned her seal from Mikoto and it was originally known as Byakogou.

She called hers the Yin seal because she modified it to also make her look young. She managed to use the seal to make her physical appearance an illusion and illusion techniques are Yin techniques hence why she called it "yin seal". It's nothing more than that.


Byakogou relies on strong Yang affinity for healing feats, but the ability to keep youthful look also relies on a Yin affinity that very few medical ninja have.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

False. Yin seal is the seal in her face. It is where she stores her chakra. She uses a simple tecnic to llok young. Byakugou is a tecnic where she uses the Yin Seal to have large chakra reserves to have regeneration.

Two different thing. You can use the seal for anything. It is just chakra stored.

Byakugou is a seal and a technique.
Byakugou=Yin Seal.
Tsunade uses the seal to use Creation Rebirth (instant healing). Creation Rebirth needs hand seals, I think. While Byakugou or Strenght of a Hundred technique is like a continuous Creation Rebirth not requiring hand seals, as long as there is chakra left.

No, Byakogou is what stores chakra and heals, she learned her seal from Mikoto and it was originally known as Byakogou.

She called hers the Yin seal because she modified it to also make her look young. She managed to use the seal to make her physical appearance an illusion and illusion techniques are Yin techniques hence why she called it "yin seal". It's nothing more than that.


Byakogou relies on strong Yang affinity for healing feats, but the ability to keep youthful look also relies on a Yin affinity that very few medical ninja have.

Byakugou Seal= Yin Seal Same seal that manifests bec of chakra reserve that stuff.
Once the seal is formed, the user's already impressive chakra control allows them to perform techniques without any wasted energy. When released, the seal will either spread across the user's face or wrap around their entire body. The stored chakra is then released into their body, greatly amplifying the power of their techniques

@bold was this ever said in the manga?
I think it is called yin seal because Byakugou seal is obtained more of as a mental energy than a physical one. ergo Yin.
Spiritual energy (精神エネルギー, seishin enerugī, English TV: Mental Energy) is derived from the mind's consciousness and can be increased through studying, meditation, and experience.

PS: It was never confimred that Mito had Byakugou. ALthough her name literally suggests mitochondrion. If she did have byakugou, I doubt hers and tsunade's are the same. I mean both seals are chakra reserves, definitely, just for different uses.
PPS: I dunno, maybe Mito uses it for sealing techs and to keep the Kyuubi at bay, Tsunade is a medic you can figure that one out yourself.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

No the difference was made clear.


Byakogou = original seal Mikoto passed on to Tsunade


Yin seal = Tsunade's improved version of Byakogou passed on to Sakura

Okay, I can go with that.
But with the bold part earlier, the yin affinity and the youthful look tho, was it ever made clear?

 

[SenseiSama]

Byakugou is a seal and a technique.
Byakugou=Yin Seal.
Tsunade uses the seal to use Creation Rebirth (instant healing). Creation Rebirth needs hand seals, I think. While Byakugou or Strenght of a Hundred technique is like a continuous Creation Rebirth not requiring hand seals, as long as there is chakra left.



Byakugou Seal= Yin Seal Same seal that manifests bec of chakra reserve that stuff.
Once the seal is formed, the user's already impressive chakra control allows them to perform techniques without any wasted energy. When released, the seal will either spread across the user's face or wrap around their entire body. The stored chakra is then released into their body, greatly amplifying the power of their techniques

@bold was this ever said in the manga?
I think it is called yin seal because Byakugou seal is obtained more of as a mental energy than a physical one. ergo Yin.
Spiritual energy (精神エネルギー, seishin enerugī, English TV: Mental Energy) is derived from the mind's consciousness and can be increased through studying, meditation, and experience.

PS: It was never confimred that Mito had Byakugou. ALthough her name literally suggests mitochondrion. If she did have byakugou, I doubt hers and tsunade's are the same. I mean both seals are chakra reserves, definitely, just for different uses.
PPS: I dunno, maybe Mito uses it for sealing techs and to keep the Kyuubi at bay, Tsunade is a medic you can figure that one out yourself.

No the difference was made clear.


Byakogou = original seal Mikoto passed on to Tsunade


Yin seal = Tsunade's improved version of Byakogou that was passed on to Sakura


They both store huge amounts of chakra to use, but Tsunade further advanced it to grant Hashirama's healing feats and maintain youthful looks. As an Uzumaki it's only natural that she was able to improve an advanced sealing technique.

 

[SenseiSama]

Okay, I can go with that.
But with the bold part earlier, the yin affinity and the youthful look tho, was it ever made clear?

I don't know if Yin affinity is involved but to me she called it "Yin' because it makes her physical appearance an illusion in the literal sense and illusion techniques are a Yin feat. I thought she named it that as a nod to the fact she's fooling people with her looks like a genjutsu.


But at the same time I don;t think it's a coincidence that Sakura who was known for hr Yin affinity mastered a seal known as Yin seal. I think some level of high Yin affinity is required to master Tsunade's version of the seal.

I even made a thread on how Uzumaki might have a special Yin affinity different from that of the Uchiha but it's so old I can't be bothered to bring it up again..

 

[HyuugaHeir]

No the difference was made clear.


Byakogou = original seal Mikoto passed on to Tsunade


Yin seal = Tsunade's improved version of Byakogou that was passed on to Sakura


They both store huge amounts of chakra to use, but Tsunade further advanced it to grant Hashirama's healing feats and maintain youthful looks. As an Uzumaki it's only natural that she was able to improve an advanced sealing technique.

I know that Byakugou is a fuinjutsu, but let's face it. Fuinjutsus are underused in NV. When we think of fuinjutsu, it is more often than not to think of a restricting effect. Byakugo doesn't do that. It rather serves as a chakra reserve and manifests as a "seal." I have nothing against Byakugou. And the premise that Tsunade developed Mito's alleged Byakugou makes sense. What I don't buy is the uzumaki factor. Tsunade is a medic. I'm pretty sure her talent in that field is what caused her efficiency in using the Byakugou.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

I don't know if Yin affinity is involved but to me she called it "Yin' because it makes her physical appearance an illusion in the literal sense and illusion techniques are a Yin feat. I thought she named it that as a nod to the fact she's fooling people with her looks like a genjutsu.


But at the same time I don;t think it's a coincidence that Sakura who was known for hr Yin affinity mastered a seal known as Yin seal. I think some level of high Yin affinity is required to master Tsunade's version of the seal.

I even made a thread on how Uzumaki might have a special Yin affinity different from that of the Uchiha but it's so old I can't be bothered to bring it up again..

We can rule out this coincidence. @ underlined. Bec it totally makes sense for a someone with high affinity to YIn to master have the YIN seal. But my reasons differ from yours.

Tsunade's youthful looks aren't genjutsu. They aren't illusions, even in the literal sense. She has creation rebirth, that cell division stuff feat. That ain't illusion. Again, I think it is called YIN Seal because it requires a kanck for spiritual training rather than physical training. ALthough its overall effects include physical recovery.

It would be great to learn more about the uzumaki, yes. They could have Yin power, for all we know.

 

[SenseiSama]

We can rule out this coincidence. @ underlined. Bec it totally makes sense for a someone with high affinity to YIn to master have the YIN seal. But my reasons differ from yours.

Tsunade's youthful looks aren't genjutsu. They aren't illusions, even in the literal sense. She has creation rebirth, that cell division stuff feat. That ain't illusion. Again, I think it is called YIN Seal because it requires a kanck for spiritual training rather than physical training. ALthough its overall effects include physical recovery.

It would be great to learn more about the uzumaki, yes. They could have Yin power, for all we know.

Ok I gotta re-word what I said, what I meant is that her appearance is not real, it's just a facade to make people believe she's still young.

By definition the Yin seal is used as an illusion, I'm not saying it's an actual genjutsu lol. But the fact that it's meant to fool people like a genjutsu is why she would call it "yin seal", because genjutsu is in every way a Yin technique. It's like her way of acknowledging the fact her seal is used to give her a false appearance, tricking people like genjutsu.


You're also right it's called Yin because it requires a certain level of spiritual energy which is what I also mentioned before. Sakura being the only person capable of learning Tsunade's seal isn't a coincidence when she was noted for having exceptional Yin affinity in part 1.