Sasuke lost to Naruto. However...

[Lyke]

Naruro probably got secret powerup by minato and kushina when he met them in his brain

 

[Mellanoma]

Why do I feel like everyone is under the impression that Kurama gives Naruto chakra, and then he can use it willingly without any work at all?

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Yes, Kurama is Naruto's main source of a power. He is a Jinchuriki, but it goes both ways. Naruto has to be able to control the power, and he is usually the one molding the chakra after receiving it (or in this case, the Natural Energy) converting it into an actual jutsu.

Not sure what's worse:

the fact that this info is from KCM Naruto which no longer applies OR the fact that the fans despra for a come back agree with you completely ignoring the manga.

Both Kurama and Killer Bee stated this only happens in KCM mode. Once Naruto reached BM mode they were completely helping (Will find scan)

 

[lndra]

What I was implying was that Naruto didn't have to convert the Kyuubi chakra at all. He just picked it up and used it. Your scan was only relevant to their battle of wills in Naruto's mind.

Gotcha

Besides that, it's already shown that the Kyuubi stopped absorbing Naruto's chakra almost less than 20 minutes after he first used KCM, so that's pretty irrelevant anyway. And even if he hadn't, by the time they started using BM, the chakra he took would have been given back to Naruto anyway, so who cares?

So how exactly is the power distributed later down the line? Does Naruto just gain Kurama's power without needing to mold the efforts?

Not sure what's worse:

the fact that this info is from KCM Naruto which no longer applies OR the fact that the fans despra for a come back agree with you completely ignoring the manga.

Both Kurama and Killer Bee stated this only happens in KCM mode. Once Naruto reached BM mode they were completely helping

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I was just arguing that Naruto and Kurama work in conjunction. People make it seem as if there is no work involved on Naruto's side.

TBH

 

[The Necromancer]

Did you forget that Naruto used most of his chakra to protect SA, To give Sasuke power to fight with Kagyua etc. But this only fought maybe 2x as much

And then he got a new Kyuubi. And the chakra of 8 other Bijuu. And throughout the war he gained access to even more Kyuubi chakra. And he got a chakra boost from the Sage.

Naruto had 1000x more and got refills, and still ran out at the same time.

Gotcha


So how exactly is the power distributed later down the line? Does Naruto just gain Kurama's power without needing to mold the efforts?

I mean, yeah. The Kyuubi was the one changing it to fit Naruto's type, the same way Naruto changed it to fit the SA's types. Otherwise, he just gets free chakra.

The Kyuubi already told us that he could give out chakra for free as he did with Kakashi vs Obito and against Sasuke when he made Naruto's chakra incompatible with Sasuke.

Once again, the Kyuubi does all the work, Naruto just throws it around.

 

[Greatness23]

You're right. Naruto with at least 1000x more chakra than Sasuke fought maybe 2x as much, and ended up in the same state. What a hero.

rs

 

[Mellanoma]

Did you forget that Naruto used most of his chakra to protect SA, To give Sasuke power to fight with Kagyua etc. But this only fought maybe 2x as much

You do realize Naruto got both halfs of Kurama + received chakra boost from the other Bijuu

Furthermore Sasuke used Chakra to control the tailed beast

Gotcha


So how exactly is the power distributed later down the line? Does Naruto just gain Kurama's power without needing to mold the efforts?

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[Naruto X Hunter]

No matter what you fanboys think, Sasuke admits he lost and that's that.

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And Sasuke was right. They were equal before but once he absorbed the Biju's chakra he was stronger, hence why he clearly overpowered Naruto. But once Naruto got his boost they matched again, hence Indra's arrow=Double RS.

Did you forget that Naruto used most of his chakra to protect SA, To give Sasuke power to fight with Kagyua etc. But this only fought maybe 2x as much

Why did you ignore my comment?

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Why would Naruto using the Yang Kyuubi's chakra to protect the Alliance matter when he had this same Kyuubi stolen by Madara and used the Yin Kyuubi against Sasuke?

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Yup. Because once again, Naruto had the handicap. Sasuke had to kill Naruto, but all Naruto had to do was survive.

He had every handicap possible in the manga, and he still couldn't even do more than tie against the only character to have his powerups taken away.

Lol, Naruto beat Sasuke's 8.5 bijuu powered over confident ass without even trying to kill him so I agree with you.
But don't come crying later about Naruto having a tailed beast molding chakra for him when Sasuke had Itachi's eyes to give him EMS and later the rinnegan which gave him his own set of abilities comparable to Naruto's. I find this excuse from Sausage faps retarded that Naruto had a tailed beast aiding him while completely ignoring the fact that Sasuke had Itachi's eyes to make him even relevant to the manga after the Kage summit arc.
Both Naruto and Sasuke had their abilities defined from the start of the manga. Naruto was the one with bodily powers able to control the most powerful bijuu while Sasuke had the eye powers. Its funny that people complain about something all the time that the author himself considers normal.

 

[Im Still Robin]

Why do I feel like everyone is under the impression that Kurama gives Naruto chakra, and then he can use it willingly without any work at all?

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Yes, Kurama is Naruto's main source of a power. He is a Jinchuriki, but it goes both ways. Naruto has to be able to control the power, and he is usually the one molding the chakra after receiving it (or in this case, the Natural Energy) converting it into an actual jutsu.

I'm sorry Indra but no.

There's too many manga scans that prove that Naruto uses the fox chakra mainly and not his own. Especially being an Uzumaki there's no excuse for not having ANY chakra...smh.

Sasuke had the beast but he did more there and controlling the chakra for his own than Naruto's.

Hell Naruto even has a visual representation...Sasuke though not absorbing it in his body got a different susanoo which was meh..

Even if he did fight more of the war there's no excuse...he used the fox to "win"

 

[The Necromancer]

Lol, Naruto beat Sasuke's 8.5 bijuu powered over confident ass without even trying to kill him so I agree with you.
But don't come crying later about Naruto having a tailed beast molding chakra for him when Sasuke had Itachi's eyes to give him EMS and later the rinnegan which gave him his own set of abilities comparable to Naruto's. I find this excuse from Sausage faps retarded that Naruto had a tailed beast aiding him while completely ignoring the fact that Sasuke had Itachi's eyes to make him even relevant to the manga after the Kage summit arc.
Both Naruto and Sasuke had their abilities defined from the start of the manga. Naruto was the one with bodily powers able to control the most powerful bijuu while Sasuke had the eye powers. Its funny that people complain about something all the time that the author himself considers normal.

The fact that you morons believe that eyes are equal to a chakra demon is laughable and proves every single time that you are unworthy of relevant debate.

Go cry about your boyfriend having every advantage in the manga with someone who cares. You're all pathetic anyway.

 

[Mellanoma]

Lol, Naruto beat Sasuke's 8.5 bijuu powered over confident ass without even trying to kill him so I agree with you.
But don't come crying later about Naruto having a tailed beast molding chakra for him when Sasuke had Itachi's eyes to give him EMS and later the rinnegan which gave him his own set of abilities comparable to Naruto's. I find this excuse from Sausage faps retarded that Naruto had a tailed beast aiding him while completely ignoring the fact that Sasuke had Itachi's eyes to make him even relevant to the manga after the Kage summit arc.
Both Naruto and Sasuke had their abilities defined from the start of the manga. Naruto was the one with bodily powers able to control the most powerful bijuu while Sasuke had the eye powers. Its funny that people complain about something all the time that the author himself considers normal.

Itachi's Eyes are a Tool used in combat

Kurama is a sentient being that supports with an enormous amount of chakra, natural energy and advice.

Dont believe me? Do a vs thread

I'm sorry Indra but no.

There's too many manga scans that prove that Naruto uses the fox chakra mainly and not his own. Especially being an Uzumaki there's no excuse for not having ANY chakra...smh.

Sasuke had the beast but he did more there and controlling the chakra for his own than Naruto's.

Hell Naruto even has a visual representation...Sasuke though not absorbing it in his body got a different susanoo which was meh..

Even if he did fight more of the war there's no excuse...he used the fox to "win"

Agreed also people forget controlling the tailed beast and CTing them requires chakra as well.

Side Note: funny sig XD not sure how i earned that though

 

[Im Still Robin]

Gotcha


So how exactly is the power distributed later down the line? Does Naruto just gain Kurama's power without needing to mold the efforts?

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I was just arguing that Naruto and Kurama work in conjunction. People make it seem as if there is no work involved on Naruto's side.

TBH

The work of being an uzumaki/reincarnation/destiny child/Need I say more?

Sasuke is too but his powers are costly asf! You get MS from emotional stress and problems, then powers, the usage of those powers cause you to go blind, sure EMS keeps you from doing that but the cost of ripping out your OWN damn eyes lmao, even then your damn eye still bleeds and susanoo hurts like **** to even use let alone structure based off your own chakra and such.

Only thing Naruto had to do as a kid is talk to the fox and release the seal... boom.... him not being an uzumaki would of been better I think. There's no real grit work involved. Don't stress it as so in these current terms.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Lol, Naruto beat Sasuke's 8.5 bijuu powered over confident ass without even trying to kill him so I agree with you.
But don't come crying later about Naruto having a tailed beast molding chakra for him when Sasuke had Itachi's eyes to give him EMS and later the rinnegan which gave him his own set of abilities comparable to Naruto's. I find this excuse from Sausage faps retarded that Naruto had a tailed beast aiding him while completely ignoring the fact that Sasuke had Itachi's eyes to make him even relevant to the manga after the Kage summit arc.
Both Naruto and Sasuke had their abilities defined from the start of the manga. Naruto was the one with bodily powers able to control the most powerful bijuu while Sasuke had the eye powers. Its funny that people complain about something all the time that the author himself considers normal.

- Abilities he had to learn/develop/master through training & battle. Unlike Naruto he didn't recieve the Universal Comprehnsion of all things.

- EMS doesn't gather and give the user chakra while he is busy fighting their opponent.

- Mention Sasuke's boost yet don't mention Naruto's. Also how in the world does Sasuke have 8.5 of the Biju's power whilst Naruto has 0.5? Not only does this ignore how Naruto also had portions of their chakra, but it implies that Sasuke has not only the full power of each Bijuu even though he's not a Jin, but also the same amount of the Kyuubi's power as Naruto. How would the Yang Kyuubi, whose chakra was continously used by Naruto KCM training-when he had stolen by Madara, then used by Madara & Kaguya as Jins, have equivalent power to the Yin Kyuubi which started being used since the Juubi Obito battle?

Apparently logic doesn't matter as long as it makes Naruto look better than Sasuke.

 

[Styles]

Yup. Because once again, Naruto had the handicap. Sasuke had to kill Naruto, but all Naruto had to do was survive.

He had every handicap possible in the manga, and he still couldn't even do more than tie against the only character to have his powerups taken away.



It's basically the equivalent of Shikamaru thinking he could beat Kiba by punching him down. It's absurd that such a character was downgraded to such an extent.

Lmao sadly that's a perfect example to sum it up.

Did you forget that Naruto used most of his chakra to protect SA, To give Sasuke power to fight with Kagyua etc. But this only fought maybe 2x as much

Did you forget Naruto got a whole new Kurama to replace the one he used in the war? Plus the other bijuu's chakra. You're talking like he used the same Kurama vs Sasuke and Kaguya that he used in the war.

@Bold when fam?

 

[rollin]

Why would sasuke need help from a bijuu like naruto when his doujutsu automatically makes him unlock op jutsu?

Naruto trained for rasengan and bijuudama,kurama doesn't make him unlock op jutsu.on the other hand with ms sasuke got genjutsu,amaterasu,blaze release,susano'o and with rinnegan he got all the six path techniques and a hax space/time jutsu.narutos not that lucky

 

[Im Still Robin]

Itachi's Eyes are a Tool used in combat

Kurama is a sentient being that supports with an enormous amount of chakra, natural energy and advice.

Dont believe me? Do a vs thread



Agreed also people forget controlling the tailed beast and CTing them requires chakra as well.

Side Note: funny sig XD not sure how i earned that though

Facts. Sasuke reversed COAT...something Madara, Obito, etc. couldn't/didn't do Naruto was nervous asf and so was the fox.

That's work to seamlessly control all that chakra and being an uchiha with great chakra control but not uzumaki type of chakra control. Even with the sharingan...Itachi couldn't do that if he had the beasts. Madara probably could..probably.

Sasuke was amazed at Naruto's chakra...goes to show the foreshadow of his excellency ... People really doubt Sasuke but there are many foreshadows throughout the manga that can be excused for the powers he's show.

Look at this:

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People are so blinded by Sasuke's "jealousy" towards this they didn't even know.

Also Minato explaining FTG and Sasuke flashing back thinking about it.. foreshadow for Ameno FACTS!

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Itachi's Eyes are a Tool used in combat

Kurama is a sentient being that supports with an enormous amount of chakra, natural energy and advice.

Dont believe me? Do a vs thread

And then comes the tool vs sentient being stupidity. A tool without which Sasuke would be nothing but blind fodder. Don't seal the Kurama inside Naruto and he'd still have huge uzumaki chakra reserves, fusion SM and maybe even FTG. And as far as advice goes, throughout shippuden Sasuke has fought with his team who'd advise him or aid him. To think people are this desperate to pull the advice card when their fav has been doing the same ofc differently is again stupid. And whatever advice Kurama has given, Naruto was already aware of that most of the time. He may be dumb under normal conditions but he's battle smart as has been pointed throughout shippuden and even in part 1.

 

[lndra]

You do realize Naruto got both halfs of Kurama + received chakra boost from the other Bijuu

Furthermore Sasuke used Chakra to control the tailed beast



Once the seal is open Naruto and Kurama's chakra is completely merged together.

Remember Minato setup the seal originally so Kurama and Naruto's chakra slowly mix.

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And then he got a new Kyuubi. And the chakra of 8 other Bijuu. And throughout the war he gained access to even more Kyuubi chakra. And he got a chakra boost from the Sage.

Naruto had 1000x more and got refills, and still ran out at the same time.



I mean, yeah. The Kyuubi was the one changing it to fit Naruto's type, the same way Naruto changed it to fit the SA's types. Otherwise, he just gets free chakra.

The Kyuubi already told us that he could give out chakra for free as he did with Kakashi vs Obito and against Sasuke when he made Naruto's chakra incompatible with Sasuke.

Once again, the Kyuubi does all the work, Naruto just throws it around.

I'm sorry Indra but no.

There's too many manga scans that prove that Naruto uses the fox chakra mainly and not his own. Especially being an Uzumaki there's no excuse for not having ANY chakra...smh.

Sasuke had the beast but he did more there and controlling the chakra for his own than Naruto's.

Hell Naruto even has a visual representation...Sasuke though not absorbing it in his body got a different susanoo which was meh..

Even if he did fight more of the war there's no excuse...he used the fox to "win"

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[take it easy]

And then he got a new Kyuubi.

He used most of his chakra to fight Madara, Kaguya and only then Sasuke.

And the chakra of 8 other Bijuu.

He used last portion of their chakra to undo IT and never used their chakra against Sasuke.

And throughout the war he gained access to even more Kyuubi chakra.

Which he used to proyect SA and other things as i said earlier. If i remember correctly Kurama even became exhausted and needed recharge

And he got a chakra boost from the Sage.

Nope.

Naruto had 1000x more and got refills, and still ran out at the same time.

He also used 1000x more chakra and even whenhe got chakra from someone he used this chakra as well.

 

[Mellanoma]

And then comes the tool vs sentient being stupidity. A tool without which Sasuke would be nothing but blind fodder. Don't seal the Kurama inside Naruto and he'd still have huge uzumaki chakra reserves, fusion SM and maybe even FTG. And as far as advice goes, throughout shippuden Sasuke has fought with his team who'd advise him or aid him. To think people are this desperate to pull the advice card when their fav has been doing the same ofc differently is again stupid. And whatever advice Kurama has given, Naruto was already aware of that most of the time. He may be dumb under normal conditions but he's battle smart as has been pointed throughout shippuden and even in part 1.

If Sasuke runs out of chakra Itachi's eyes are useless

If Naruto runs out of chakra. The sentient being recharges him and tells him to use it wisely

That is the difference.