#Rasengan
- Thread starter Michael
- Start date
Jaime the kingslayer
Banned
So you are going to ignore the fact that Sasuke chidori was made from Kurama chakra he stole moments before.Both attacks had Kurama chakra which means base Rasengan would still be equall to Chidori + Enton combo
Awkward Linguist
Active member
Lel what? There was never a need for a conversion. Otherwise show me a scan of Naruto needing to convert Kurama's chakra into his own. That's just systematically incorrect.
You must be registered for see images
SIR UZMAKIMADARA
Active member
Awards
Sasuke stole the kyuubi's chakra to form that chidori and amaterasu. so with your logic then it was Kyuubi enhanced Rasengan was equal to the Kyuubi enhanced Chidori and Amaterasu.
That was base naruto. Your claim has been refutted since the release of chapter number 699.
Naruto's base Rasengan is canonically yellow and in colored chapter 698, Naruto's Rasengan had yellow color instead of reddish yellow (kyuubi enhanced Rasengan).
For your reference,here is the official coloring of that chapter:
You must be registered for see images
Last edited:
gerizzyYMcrew
Active member
Well, its more of an impication than an actual fact, since whenever Naruto takes Kurama's pure chakra, including the below scan, we clearly see a sign of it. In this case, the bubling red chakra he uses to block the Amaterasu. That's cause the chakra's excesive use has proven to have negative side effects overall. But when Kurama hands Naruto chakra out of good will rather than wanting to take over his body, no signs of such thing is shown, leading to the implication that it was converted to avoid damage from its extensive use.
Its not negating though, its just blocking. Naruto even discards it to get rid of the flames. It doesn't do anything to stop it from burning though.
SIR UZMAKIMADARA
Active member
Awards
As i mentioned in my earlier post,That was base naruto. I don't know what made you think that chidori + enton combination is superior than base rasengan. When kishi made it clear that naruto's base rasengan was enough to stalemate that combination.
On an additional note, this claim of "naruto used kyuubi enhanced rasengan in VOTE 2" has been refuted 2 years ago.
The Rasengan's color has always been yellow in the manga. It's only blue in the anime/games. If the rasengan was formed by kyuubi's chakra then it would have a reddish color into it.
You must be registered for see images
You must be registered for see images
You must be registered for see images
Furthermore, Sasuke stole kyuubi chakra to form that Chidori and Enton.
You must be registered for see images
Better luck next time.
Last edited:
Awkward Linguist
Active member
Kurama went to sleep immediately after giving away his last bit of chakra thus Naruto can never have Kurama eyes to suggest that he's in KCM - because he's not. This conversion is just an assumption that can't be proved to be true therefore stick to facts.
negate
nɪˈɡeɪt/
verb
1.
make ineffective; nullify.
"alcohol negates the effects of the drug"
synonyms: invalidate, nullify, render null and void, render invalid, make ineffective, neutralize, cancel (out); More
And that's exactly what it did.
nɪˈɡeɪt/
verb
1.
make ineffective; nullify.
"alcohol negates the effects of the drug"
synonyms: invalidate, nullify, render null and void, render invalid, make ineffective, neutralize, cancel (out); More
And that's exactly what it did.
Can you factually prove Sasuke is not using the same Kyuubi chakra he absorbed from NAruto without the unconfirmed assumption that Preta Path acts as a filter?
Can the same negation be applied to the enton that clashed with Naruto's Rasengan?
King Of Pop
Active member
gotta love the base rasengan=kagusuchi chidori claims
lets look at the facts
-narutos own chakra was drained. fact 1.
-kurama expilictly said hes leaving his remaining chakra for naruto to use and then went to sleep. fact 2. the manga outright had it state that naruto should use the chakra wisely so sasuke wont absorb. thus what he formed that rasengan is with kuramas chakra. colour or whatever is irrelevant when events in the manga leads to that.
and for those saying sasuke also abosrbed it, preta doesnt work like that.
"the absorbed chakra disperses inside the body". thus its now part of sasukes chakra/reserves. there is no scan where preta abosrbs chakra and the user benefits from the potency of the absorbed chakra. some of you really need to use your brain.
are you dumb? since when did naruto need to enter any mode to use kuramas chakra?
lets look at the facts
-narutos own chakra was drained. fact 1.
You must be registered for see images
-kurama expilictly said hes leaving his remaining chakra for naruto to use and then went to sleep. fact 2. the manga outright had it state that naruto should use the chakra wisely so sasuke wont absorb. thus what he formed that rasengan is with kuramas chakra. colour or whatever is irrelevant when events in the manga leads to that.
You must be registered for see images
and for those saying sasuke also abosrbed it, preta doesnt work like that.
You must be registered for see images
"the absorbed chakra disperses inside the body". thus its now part of sasukes chakra/reserves. there is no scan where preta abosrbs chakra and the user benefits from the potency of the absorbed chakra. some of you really need to use your brain.
Last edited:
Awkward Linguist
Active member
First let me get this out of the way: lmaooooooo the fact that you're using colors as evidence is just... smh. Regardless, I'll play along with it.
It's really not that hard to grasp:
1. Chidori = Rasengan
2. Kyuubi Chidori = Kyuubi Rasengan. (Notice I didn't say kyuubi enhanced chidori/rasengan, because it was only comprised of kyuubi chakra, not an combination of their chakra + kyuubi chakra). The addition of enton makes zero difference to the overall strength of chidori because as I already said (and posted a scan), the kyuubi chakra in the Rasengan negates the enton - thus it's badically just kyuubi chidori vs kyuubi rasengan. The only thing enton did was **** up their arms.
And finally, my original point
3. Chidori + enton > base Rasengan. This is because the rasengan doesn't have the kyuubi chakra that would otherwise negate the enton. So in this case the enton does make a difference to the overall of strength of the chidori.
1. Chidori = Rasengan
2. Kyuubi Chidori = Kyuubi Rasengan. (Notice I didn't say kyuubi enhanced chidori/rasengan, because it was only comprised of kyuubi chakra, not an combination of their chakra + kyuubi chakra). The addition of enton makes zero difference to the overall strength of chidori because as I already said (and posted a scan), the kyuubi chakra in the Rasengan negates the enton - thus it's badically just kyuubi chidori vs kyuubi rasengan. The only thing enton did was **** up their arms.
And finally, my original point
3. Chidori + enton > base Rasengan. This is because the rasengan doesn't have the kyuubi chakra that would otherwise negate the enton. So in this case the enton does make a difference to the overall of strength of the chidori.
Show me a confirmed scan of this reddish yellow rasengan. You won't because there isn't one.
Exactly my point. Now why isn't his black and blue chidori reddish because of the kyuubi chakra? Both of them used kyuubi chakra to make their jutsus, yet none of them have a reddish tint to it. And notice in your second spoiler he said it 'felt', not it was. Your colour argument is stupid.
✔ Dismissed.
✔ Dismissed.
Awkward Linguist
Active member
I must have left it out earlier, Sasuke did use Kurama's chakra to make that Chidori.
Yes it can. The situation changed but the concept still upholds.
Well, then this part of the discussion is pretty much irrelevant.
How? The chakra burned like everything else, neither faster nor slower. The only reason Naruto even used it was to prevent Amaterasu from getting to his body.
Naruto's Base Chakra created a Rasengan big enough to send its target flying through the atmosphere. No Kurama, no NE.Base Sasuke's chidori is able to destroy a meteor .... No Kurama , NE included
I'd say its comparable.
Awkward Linguist
Active member
Base Sasuke's chidori is able to destroy a meteor .... No Kurama , NE included
That's called an elemental advantage.
Earth, as a whole, is considered theoretically (practically as well) as an infinite source and sink of charge with zero potential. ... Hence it absorbs the electric discharge of a lightning impulse, and also provides the charge (when connected to the negative potential) for the earth return systems.
Thus a simple chidori would do more damage to that meteor than say an A rank fireball jutsu.
Earth, as a whole, is considered theoretically (practically as well) as an infinite source and sink of charge with zero potential. ... Hence it absorbs the electric discharge of a lightning impulse, and also provides the charge (when connected to the negative potential) for the earth return systems.
Thus a simple chidori would do more damage to that meteor than say an A rank fireball jutsu.
No, the only reason Naruto used kyuubi chakra was because he had to since he was exhaust of his own chakra. If he had got more chakra from kyuubi he would have used a the kyuubi chakra cloak on his arm and then made the rasengan.
He didn't get enough chakra to do this thus enton burnt his arm off.
You must be registered for see images
He didn't get enough chakra to do this thus enton burnt his arm off.
Jaime the kingslayer
Banned
First I never said Naruto needs to enter some mode to use Kurama chakra.I said that was base Naruto and that is true. Him using Kurama chakra is irrelevant he was still in base form.
Bold :
Tell that idiotic clame to deva path Pain maybe he wont turn into stone from absorbing senjutsu chakra. Or to Madara absorbing Hashirama senjutsu chakra.
Its clear user gets benefits.
King Of Pop
Active member
and thats when he was still a teen, 2 years after. logically adult sasukes full powered chidori should be stronger due to his chakra further maturingBase Sasuke's chidori is able to destroy a meteor .... No Kurama , NE included
