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[21Cabbage]

Not really sure but the way Kishi explains it is that Six path senjutsu comes from the fruit, Kaguya was the first user then she passed on her chakra to her children. After that the Sage became a Jinchuuriki then his and the Juubi's chakra went to his children.

Ashura has the ability to absorb high amounts of NE because that was Hagoromo's feat as the Juubi's host, when he absorbs NE his chakra turns into Six path senjutsu.

On the other hand, Indra had a Sage chakra which is Six path senjutsu but without the NE that JuubiJins and Ashura use, despite not having NE his chakra was more potent because Hagoromo said that he inherited the genes for strong chakra.. :eww:

But because of blood thinning neither Uzumaki, Senju nor Uchiha inherited some of the Sage chakra Indra and Ashura had. So it resulted in the transmigrants having to mix their blood to awaken Six path chakra while they need the 9 bijuus to awaken Six path senjutsu

 

[Sagebee]

Hagormoo said that only Indra reincarnates had the potential to awaken one. Kinshiki who is an Otsursuki along with Kaguya and Hamura are also unable to awaken the rinnegan despite having Six path chakra.

I don't think the manga ever said only indra descendants could gain rinnegan. It said that indra had the eyes of the sage so let's say if hashirama took Madara's eyes for himself he too could use the rinnegan to the same proficiency.

As for okutsuki we really don't know much about them so we can't really say they can't awaken rinnegan themselves or even already have it.

 

[Holy God]

1. If Madara and Hashirama's chakra wasn't mixed he would've never awakened the rinnegan. You don't just separate chakra like that once it's already mixed inside of you.

I was talking about Hashirama's Sage chakra, not his regular chakra.

3. The tailed beast did mix inside naruto, why else did the juubi got impatient and tried to kill naruto?

lolno. When merged, the Tailed Beasts' chakra becomes the Ten-Tails'. Naruto does not have the Ten-Tails' chakra.

2.Naruto was the one controlling the chakra that was given to them, they never transplanted naruto's chakra otherwise Sasuke would've gained the rinnegan by now. It was never permanent.
4. Obito's chakra did mix with Kakashi, otherwise he never would've gotten rikudou chakra, susanoo, and magekyo sharingans from Obito in the first place. You can't use chakra that is not mix with your own. That chakra he mixed with him is temporary once Obito left kakashi to the dead.

I don't think you know what you're talking about. Chakra does not mix unless through genetics or another special circumstance. If you absorb chakra into yourself it does not merge with yours. This is absolute and has been proven multiple times. Madara merged his chakra through genetics with Hashirama's bringing out an entirely new chakra like Hagoromo's. Kabuto merged multiple sources of chakra through genetics to make a brand new chakra that no one recognized. Bee absorbed Gyuuki's chakra but they did not merge. They are separate in the same being. Sasuke had both Naruto's and Hashirama's shared chakra but they did not merge, so he did not get Hagoromo's chakra from that. You need to understand this before we continue.

The sage marking don't need to be apart of your face, the point is that it was already mixed with his body thanks to hashirama's chakra that is already inside of him. And that Hashirama chakra is already mixed with his own chakra to be producing Six path chakra.

Hashirama's regular chakra is mixed with Madara's, yes. Not his Sage chakra.

Bold part is completely wrong. He is not able to handle Hashirama's sage mode without Hashirama's chakra being needed.

This doesn't even make sense. You're saying if Madara did not have his chakra he wouldn't be able to handle his Sage Mode? He'd have his chakra because he was absorbing it right there. Pain had Naruto's chakra, so according to you he'd be able to handle it but he couldn't. It's just mere power level. Madara said sage chakra was weaker than he expected and Naruto exclaimed to Pain that the reason for his inability was because "the energy of nature isn't that easy to handle".

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I don't think the manga ever said only indra descendants could gain rinnegan. It said that indra had the eyes of the sage so let's say if hashirama took Madara's eyes for himself he too could use the rinnegan to the same proficiency.

As for okutsuki we really don't know much about them so we can't really say they can't awaken rinnegan themselves or even already have it.

Not really. Asura reincarnates are the body of the sage, him being able to handle the rinnegan is like saying Naruto can handle the rinnegan. Besides Otsutsuki that gain rinnegans through their means, Hagormoo said that only Indra reincarnates had the potential to awaken it, meaning that they could but not all of them can. And Zetsus statement proves this after he said that he kept mixing the two and the rest kept failing.

If hashirama gained madara's chakra, he would gain six path chakra but in no way would he be able to awaken a rinnegan without any ocular jutsu in the first place. And the whole point in mixing chakras is to find those who will awaken it on their own, once hashirama needs to take madara's eyes it's already a done deal of being a borrowed ocular power already. Taking madara's tissues would be pointless at that point and he'll just end up as borrowed user like Obito, Nagato, and Kakashi.

But if you don't wanna take my word for it, here is proof.

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[Sagebee]

Not really. Asura reincarnates are the body of the sage, him being able to handle the rinnegan is like saying Naruto can handle the rinnegan. Besides Otsutsuki that gain rinnegans through their means, Hagormoo said that only Indra reincarnates had the potential to awaken it, meaning that they could but not all of them can. And Zetsus statement proves this after he said that he kept mixing the two and the rest kept failing.

If hashirama gained madara's chakra, he would gain six path chakra but in no way would he be able to awaken a rinnegan without any ocular jutsu in the first place. And the whole point in mixing chakras is to find those who will awaken it on their own, once hashirama needs to take madara's eyes it's already a done deal of being a borrowed ocular power already. Taking madara's tissues would be pointless at that point and he'll just end up as borrowed user like Obito, Nagato, and Kakashi.

But if you don't wanna take my word for it, here is proof.

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But madara power is borrowed without hashis dna he would never awakened the rinnegan due to not having complete aspects to obtain hagoromo power. The only ones that don't have to rely on borrowed power are full blooded okutsuki clan.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I was talking about Hashirama's Sage chakra, not his regular chakra.

Rinnegan madara's regular chakra is hashirama and his own mixed together. Hashirama's sage chakra needs hashirama's chakra to stay active. Senjutsu doesn't have a designated spot, it needs to mix with chakra in order for you to be activate Sennin mode.

lolno. When merged, the Tailed Beasts' chakra becomes the Ten-Tails'. Naruto does not have the Ten-Tails' chakra.

:lol stop right there.

1. Naruto had 7 bijuus during the war, once he gained all 9 chakras he immediately awakened the same type of senjutsu the juubi was able to use. Rikudou senjutsu.

2. The tailed beast chakra merged together doesn't become the juubi. Naruto is not the Gedo mazou, which is the vessel for the juubi. Naruto is not the divine tree, which is part of the juubi itself and neither is he Kaguya. The juubi is a piece of kaguya.

I don't think you know what you're talking about. Chakra does not mix unless through genetics or another special circumstance. If you absorb chakra into yourself it does not merge with yours. This is absolute and has been proven multiple times. Madara merged his chakra through genetics with Hashirama's bringing out an entirely new chakra like Hagoromo's. Kabuto merged multiple sources of chakra through genetics to make a brand new chakra that no one recognized. Bee absorbed Gyuuki's chakra but they did not merge. They are separate in the same being. Sasuke had both Naruto's and Hashirama's shared chakra but they did not merge, so he did not get Hagoromo's chakra from that. You need to understand this before we continue.

You need to learn how to understand what you are typing. Because you just countered yourself.
You just said that you cannot mix chakra unless genetics or special circumstances yet you're out here using naruto as an example. Since when was the last time Sasuke transplanted naruto chakra into his body? There for Sasuke being handed down naruto's chakra won't mix considering the fact it wasn't genetically transplanted like Kabuto.

Don't even bring up the Hashirama transplant because moments after the transplant finished, Sasuke obtained a rinnegan of his own. Even Madara's transplant is the sole reason of why he was able to mix his chakra together to get the rinnegan in the first place.

Hashirama's regular chakra is mixed with Madara's, yes. Not his Sage chakra.

He won't have sennin mode if his chakra never mixed with sage chakra.
Again. assumptions

This doesn't even make sense. You're saying if Madara did not have his chakra he wouldn't be able to handle his Sage Mode? He'd have his chakra because he was absorbing it right there. Pain had Naruto's chakra, so according to you he'd be able to handle it but he couldn't. It's just mere power level. Madara said sage chakra was weaker than he expected and Naruto exclaimed to Pain that the reason for his inability was because "the energy of nature isn't that easy to handle".

You're not making any sense here.
If absorbing chakra was all it took, then Pain would've activated Frog sennin mode considering that he has absorbed naruto's chakra.
You just said that you cannot mix ones chakra without special conditions and transplant. Is absorbing naruto base chakra transplant now?
No, it's not.

But madara power is borrowed without hashis dna he would never awakened the rinnegan due to not having complete aspects to obtain hagoromo power. The only ones that don't have to rely on borrowed power are full blooded okutsuki clan.

You're definitely right. Madara did borrow hashi's power to gain Six path chakra and if Hashirama borrowed Madara's power he would also gain Six path chakra also.
The only difference is that once Madara gains six path chakra, he awakens his own ocular power the rinnegan.

While Hashirama when he gets Six path chakra, he won't awaken anything. It'll just enhance his powers to six path levels like Tobi and kakashi and it'll give access for him to control the Gedo mazou. That's it. Chakra of the eyes is a Indra and reincarnate thing.

 

[Sagebee]

Rinnegan madara's regular chakra is hashirama and his own mixed together. Hashirama's sage chakra needs hashirama's chakra to stay active. Senjutsu doesn't have a designated spot, it needs to mix with chakra in order for you to be activate Sennin mode.

:lol stop right there.

1. Naruto had 7 bijuus during the war, once he gained all 9 chakras he immediately awakened the same type of senjutsu the juubi was able to use. Rikudou senjutsu.

2. The tailed beast chakra merged together doesn't become the juubi. Naruto is not the Gedo mazou, which is the vessel for the juubi. Naruto is not the divine tree, which is part of the juubi itself and neither is he Kaguya. The juubi is a piece of kaguya.


You need to learn how to understand what you are typing. Because you just countered yourself.
You just said that you cannot mix chakra unless genetics or special circumstances yet you're out here using naruto as an example. Since when was the last time Sasuke transplanted naruto chakra into his body? There for Sasuke being handed down naruto's chakra won't mix considering the fact it wasn't genetically transplanted like Kabuto.

Don't even bring up the Hashirama transplant because moments after the transplant finished, Sasuke obtained a rinnegan of his own. Even Madara's transplant is the sole reason of why he was able to mix his chakra together to get the rinnegan in the first place.




He won't have sennin mode if his chakra never mixed with sage chakra.
Again. baseless assumptions


You're not making any sense here.
If absorbing chakra was all it took, then Pain would've activated Frog sennin mode considering that he has absorbed naruto's chakra.
You just said that you cannot mix ones chakra without special conditions and transplant. Is absorbing naruto base chakra transplant now?
No, it's not.

You're definitely right. Madara did borrow hashi's power to gain Six path chakra and if Hashirama borrowed Madara's power he would also gain Six path chakra also.
The only difference is that once Madara gains six path chakra, he awakens his own ocular power the rinnegan.

While Hashirama when he gets Six path chakra, he won't awaken anything. It'll just enhance his powers to six path levels like Tobi and kakashi and it'll give access for him to control the Gedo mazou. That's it. Chakra of the eyes is a Indra and reincarnate thing.

Well if he gets madara's dna it might awaken the rinnegan

 

[Sagebee]

Rinnegan madara's regular chakra is hashirama and his own mixed together. Hashirama's sage chakra needs hashirama's chakra to stay active. Senjutsu doesn't have a designated spot, it needs to mix with chakra in order for you to be activate Sennin mode.

:lol stop right there.

1. Naruto had 7 bijuus during the war, once he gained all 9 chakras he immediately awakened the same type of senjutsu the juubi was able to use. Rikudou senjutsu.

2. The tailed beast chakra merged together doesn't become the juubi. Naruto is not the Gedo mazou, which is the vessel for the juubi. Naruto is not the divine tree, which is part of the juubi itself and neither is he Kaguya. The juubi is a piece of kaguya.


You need to learn how to understand what you are typing. Because you just countered yourself.
You just said that you cannot mix chakra unless genetics or special circumstances yet you're out here using naruto as an example. Since when was the last time Sasuke transplanted naruto chakra into his body? There for Sasuke being handed down naruto's chakra won't mix considering the fact it wasn't genetically transplanted like Kabuto.

Don't even bring up the Hashirama transplant because moments after the transplant finished, Sasuke obtained a rinnegan of his own. Even Madara's transplant is the sole reason of why he was able to mix his chakra together to get the rinnegan in the first place.




He won't have sennin mode if his chakra never mixed with sage chakra.
Again. assumptions


You're not making any sense here.
If absorbing chakra was all it took, then Pain would've activated Frog sennin mode considering that he has absorbed naruto's chakra.
You just said that you cannot mix ones chakra without special conditions and transplant. Is absorbing naruto base chakra transplant now?
No, it's not.

You're definitely right. Madara did borrow hashi's power to gain Six path chakra and if Hashirama borrowed Madara's power he would also gain Six path chakra also.
The only difference is that once Madara gains six path chakra, he awakens his own ocular power the rinnegan.

While Hashirama when he gets Six path chakra, he won't awaken anything. It'll just enhance his powers to six path levels like Tobi and kakashi and it'll give access for him to control the Gedo mazou. That's it. Chakra of the eyes is a Indra and reincarnate thing.

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Looks like it's confirmed madara was able to go into sage mode with hashi dna

 

[Holy God]

Rinnegan madara's regular chakra is hashirama and his own mixed together. Hashirama's sage chakra needs hashirama's chakra to stay active. Senjutsu doesn't have a designated spot, it needs to mix with chakra in order for you to be activate Sennin mode.

I'm going to use your slogan: stop making stuff up. You don't need Hashirama's chakra in order to use his Sage chakra. Nowhere is something like this implied.

1. Naruto had 7 bijuus during the war, once he gained all 9 chakras he immediately awakened the same type of senjutsu the juubi was able to use. Rikudou senjutsu.

Once he gained all nine he didn't get the Ten-Tails' chakra though.

2. The tailed beast chakra merged together doesn't become the juubi. Naruto is not the Gedo mazou, which is the vessel for the juubi. Naruto is not the divine tree, which is part of the juubi itself and neither is he Kaguya. The juubi is a piece of kaguya.

Yes, the combination of the Tailed Beasts' chakra is the Ten-Tails'. Naruto wouldn't have to be the Demonic Statue, because according to you, chakra just mixes when it's inside of you.

You need to learn how to understand what you are typing. Because you just countered yourself.
You just said that you cannot mix chakra unless genetics or special circumstances yet you're out here using naruto as an example. Since when was the last time Sasuke transplanted naruto chakra into his body? There for Sasuke being handed down naruto's chakra won't mix considering the fact it wasn't genetically transplanted like Kabuto.

Exactly my point. If Naruto's chakra won't mix with Sasuke when he gets it, then Hashirama's Sage chakra won't mix with Madara when he gets it. Hashirama's Sage chakra is in no way genetic.

Don't even bring up the Hashirama transplant because moments after the transplant finished, Sasuke obtained a rinnegan of his own. Even Madara's transplant is the sole reason of why he was able to mix his chakra together to get the rinnegan in the first place.

I never did bring up the transplant.

He won't have sennin mode if his chakra never mixed with sage chakra.
Again. assumptions

You just agreed above that chakra only mixes through genetics. Sage chakra is not genetic. You contradicted yourself.

You're not making any sense here.
If absorbing chakra was all it took, then Pain would've activated Frog sennin mode considering that he has absorbed naruto's chakra.

Except, as stated, Pain wasn't powerful enough to handle the chakra.

 

[TheSages456]

Agreed disclosures that don't really make sense to me. Here's my top 5 in no particular order.


1. How you really obtained Rikudou senjutsu or Six path sage chakra.

-I've heard that people say that six path sage chakra is made up of natural energy (NE) and rikudou chakra.
That doesn't make sense considering that rinnegan madara had rikudou chakra and natural energy from hashirama yet he had no rikudou senjutsu. (Naruto fans hold yourself and keep that vague kishi databook proverb on how to awaken six path sage chakra for a bit)

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1. Becoming a Ten Tails' jinchuriki grants one Six Paths Senjutsu.

2. Obtaining the chakra of every Biju grants it as stated in Shikamaru Hiden, hence the Six Paths Senjutsu cloak that Naruto manifests which is made of the Biju's chakra.

3. An individual can also pass on the power. Hagoromo gave Naruto the Six Paths Power of Light, which granted him his Six Paths Sage mode. It was the form that we saw Naruto after he was revived, though he can't use that specific form anymore due to losing the Six Paths Power of Light.

2. Obtaining Rikudou chakra means gaining the rinnegan.

-Everytime you say that one individual person has rikudou chakra, some person swears that person doesn't because you need ashura+indra= rinnegan.
But you need to know that those logic only applies to reincarnate because look at DMS Kakashi. He was given rikudou by his friend Obito and neither of them awakened the rinnegan.
Just look at these people with no rinnegan and rikudou chakra...

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There's more but you get the point.

Hagoromo's chakra specifically is needed to awaken the Rinnegan since his chakra carries the Rinnegan trait. Every type of Six Paths chakra doesn't carry the Rinnegan's trait. The chakra of Ten Tails doesn't.

The only Six Paths chakra that Madara possesses is the Rinnegan, so he wouldn't awaken Six Paths Senjutsu even if he did learn Sage mode.

Madara didn't absorb natural energy anyway. He took in Hashirama's already balanced Sage chakra and stored it inside the Hashirama face on his chest.

3.How did the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Hokage that are hyped to be the most powerful in the world get killed in war.

Hashirama's death was never given any specific detail. Tobirama died against the Ginkaku force to buy time for his team. Hiruzen died against Orochimaru.

4. Why did Kabuto not summon Sakumo Hatake in the war and summon these people instead?

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Don't know. Kabuto never brought him up, so he likely just didn't consider him.

5. Requirements for Izanagi.


-The manga says it is a requirement to have both senju and uchiha power to use. But some people call this a lie for some reason based on a flashback that never specified on how they obtained izanagi in the first place. So does this mean Danzo was able to use izanagi without senju dna now?

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The power of Senju is predominately Yang release. That's all it refers to. Yang release is needed in order to use this jutsu as well as the power of Uchiha, being Yin release and their Sharingan.

6. How do you train or teach your eyes jutsus or other tricks?


-I know that black zetsu said that theirs a mangekyo sharingan trick to install jutsus but deidara is another guy that's doing tricks with his eyes too.

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These just somethings that I've notice and we just disclosed this as another plot device to secure our speculations.
Is there like any databook entry or some scholarly (kishi's notes) facts around here for some of these open subjects?

The jutsu is called Transcription seal and it's a Mangekyo Sharingan jutsu. It allows one to seal an eye technique into another person's Sharingan(Itachi's usage) or store an eye technique in their own eye for future use(Madara's usage).

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I'm going to use your slogan: stop making stuff up. You don't need Hashirama's chakra in order to use his Sage chakra. Nowhere is something like this implied.

The only ones able to use Hashirama's Sage mode in the manga were those with Hashirama's chakra. So nothing I said was made up.

Once he gained all nine he didn't get the Ten-Tails' chakra though.

Irrelevant. The nine tails said that the juubi's chakra is natural energy that cannot be measured. Once naruto gained all 9 bijuu chakra he used the exact same senjutsu chakra as the juubi.

Yes, the combination of the Tailed Beasts' chakra is the Ten-Tails'. Naruto wouldn't have to be the Demonic Statue, because according to you, chakra just mixes when it's inside of you.

The demonic statue has its own chakra too and all 9 bijus is the ten tails senjutsu. The juubi has gedo mazou chakra, kaguya's chakra, and biju chakra. So since naruto does not fit all these requirements, my point still stands.

Exactly my point. If Naruto's chakra won't mix with Sasuke when he gets it, then Hashirama's Sage chakra won't mix with Madara when he gets it. Hashirama's Sage chakra is in no way genetic.

Naruto's chakra was not genetically given to Sasuke. What part of no transplant don't you understand?
Madara implanted Hashirama's chakra Sasuke did not transplant the chakra that naruto gave to him. You're not making any sense whatsoever.

I never did bring up the transplant.

Transplant is genetic mixing chakra genetically is called a transplant.

You just agreed above that chakra only mixes through genetics. Sage chakra is not genetic. You contradicted yourself.

Hashirama's chakra that Madara transplanted is genetic, what the hell are you talking about?
You can't use natural energy without it mixing with your chakra, Sennin mode rinnegan madara used is mixing with his chakra to even activate it. Madara needed the senju part of his body to use sennin mode and that same senju part of his body is mixed with his uchiha part.

Except, as stated, Pain wasn't powerful enough to handle the chakra.

Except no this is fallacy. Sennin mode naruto was not only weaker than pain, he drained naruto of all his chakra. Pain wasn't able to mix the senjutsu with his own chakra resulting in him turning into stone from taking in raw energy.
Madara only handled the senjutsu thanks to hashirama's chakra that he currently has.

 

[Holy God]

The only ones able to use Hashirama's Sage mode in the manga were those with Hashirama's chakra. So nothing I said was made up.

If only one person eats a cookie does that mean only that person can eat a cookie? No.

Irrelevant. The nine tails said that the juubi's chakra is natural energy that cannot be measured. Once naruto gained all 9 bijuu chakra he used the exact same senjutsu chakra as the juubi.

First you say then Ten-Tails' chakra isn't a combination but then you say that Naruto gets the Ten-Tails' chakra by combining their chakra. Which is it?

The demonic statue has its own chakra too and all 9 bijus is the ten tails senjutsu. The juubi has gedo mazou chakra, kaguya's chakra, and biju chakra. So since naruto does not fit all these requirements, my point still stands.

lolwat. Six Paths Planetary Devastation was made by Hagoromo to separate the chakra from the body. Kaguya's chakra is the Ten-Tails', which is the combination of the Tailed Beasts as Hagoromo simply divided that power. The Demonic Statue doesn't have chakra on its own.

Naruto's chakra was not genetically given to Sasuke. What part of no transplant don't you understand?
Madara implanted Hashirama's chakra Sasuke did not transplant the chakra that naruto gave to him. You're not making any sense whatsoever.

Transplant is genetic mixing chakra genetically is called a transplant.

Hashirama's chakra that Madara transplanted is genetic, what the hell are you talking about?
You can't use natural energy without it mixing with your chakra, Sennin mode rinnegan madara used is mixing with his chakra to even activate it. Madara needed the senju part of his body to use sennin mode and that same senju part of his body is mixed with his uchiha part.

So we have successfully agreed that in order for chakra to merge, that one has to combine genetics, yes? I'm no longer talking about Hashirama's regular chakra. That is already merged with Madara genetically. His Sage chakra however, cannot mix with Madara's Hagoromo-like chakra because the Sage chakra is not genetic.

Except no this is fallacy. Sennin mode naruto was not only weaker than pain, he drained naruto of all his chakra. Pain wasn't able to mix the senjutsu with his own chakra resulting in him turning into stone from taking in raw energy.
Madara only handled the senjutsu thanks to hashirama's chakra that he currently has.

I thought we've already been through this. You can't mix chakra normally without genetics. Pain absorbing chakra does not make it mix with his own.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

If only one person eats a cookie does that mean only that person can eat a cookie? No.

This has no meaning behind anything I said whatsoever.

First you say then Ten-Tails' chakra isn't a combination but then you say that Naruto gets the Ten-Tails' chakra by combining their chakra. Which is it?

Senjutsu chakra and regular chakra are two different things.
Naruto only has the same senjutsu chakra as the juubi, any other chakra the juubi has besides that Naruto does not have. That's what I said.

lolwat. Six Paths Planetary Devastation was made by Hagoromo to separate the chakra from the body. Kaguya's chakra is the Ten-Tails', which is the combination of the Tailed Beasts as Hagoromo simply divided that power. The Demonic Statue doesn't have chakra on its own.

:lol The demonic statue is kaguya in a catalyst state. The mazou does have chakra if not explain what the hell Madara was feeding off of to live?

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So we have successfully agreed that in order for chakra to merge, that one has to combine genetics, yes? I'm no longer talking about Hashirama's regular chakra. That is already merged with Madara genetically. His Sage chakra however, cannot mix with Madara's Hagoromo-like chakra because the Sage chakra is not genetic.

So what is it that I'm saying that did not cross your head yet? You need chakra to mix with senjutsu to open sennin mode. If sennin mode did not already mix with the senju chakra that Madara already have, he wouldn't have sennin mode at all. You do know that right? To open Sennin mode you need the senjutsu to mix with your chakra. What part of that simple English is hard for you to understand?

I thought we've already been through this. You can't mix chakra normally without genetics. Pain absorbing chakra does not make it mix with his own.

senjutsu is not mixed genetic. Do you even understand what you are saying here? Pain absorbed naruto's chakra, he had no chakra left.
So naruto gathering more natural energy caused pain to turn to stone.

 

[Holy God]

This has no meaning behind anything I said whatsoever.

Yes it does. You said because only people with Hashirama's chakra have used his Sage Mode, only people with his chakra can use it. That's the same as saying because only a certain person has eaten a cookie, that he is the only one able to.

Senjutsu chakra and regular chakra are two different things.
Naruto only has the same senjutsu chakra as the juubi, any other chakra the juubi has besides that Naruto does not have. That's what I said.

The only difference between them is that one has nature energy. Once again, the Ten-Tails' is only comprised of the Tailed Beasts' chakra.

:lol The demonic statue is kaguya in a catalyst state. The mazou does have chakra if not explain what the hell Madara was feeding off of to live?

That doesn't disprove what I said. You separated Kaguya's chakra from the Tailed Beasts' as if they were different. Kaguya and the Ten-Tails' share the exact same chakra. Her chakra was extracted and separated, meaning if recombined, it will go back to being Kaguya's chakra.

So what is it that I'm saying that did not cross your head yet? You need chakra to mix with senjutsu to open sennin mode. If sennin mode did not already mix with the senju chakra that Madara already have, he wouldn't have sennin mode at all. You do know that right? To open Sennin mode you need the senjutsu to mix with your chakra. What part of that simple English is hard for you to understand?

You clearly don't know what you're talking about here. You don't mix chakra with "senjutsu". You mix chakra with natural energy in order to produce Sage chakra. Madara cannot mix Sage chakra with his own because, as we've agreed upon, chakra only mixes through genetics. What about this is going over your head?

senjutsu is not mixed genetic. Do you even understand what you are saying here? Pain absorbed naruto's chakra, he had no chakra left.
So naruto gathering more natural energy caused pain to turn to stone.

Sage chakra doesn't mix period. Pain couldn't handle the amount of sage chakra he was taking in, as Naruto himself said.

 

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Yes it does. You said because only people with Hashirama's chakra have used his Sage Mode, only people with his chakra can use it. That's the same as saying because only a certain person has eaten a cookie, that he is the only one able to.

Hashirama's sennin mode requires mokuton and considering the fact that nobody we know of has sennin mode, nobody in the series have his sennin mode.

The only difference between them is that one has nature energy. Once again, the Ten-Tails' is only comprised of the Tailed Beasts' chakra.

No, both have the same senjutsu. And once again, The juubi is comprised of gedo, biju, and kaguya's chakra.
So cut your bull, this shit is getting old. You're just coming up with excuses.

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That doesn't disprove what I said. You separated Kaguya's chakra from the Tailed Beasts' as if they were different. Kaguya and the Ten-Tails' share the exact same chakra. Her chakra was extracted and separated, meaning if recombined, it will go back to being Kaguya's chakra.

I just said that the juubi is a part of kaguya as well. What the hell are you talking about? Do you not know how to read or are you trolling again? Kaguya was divided by Hagormoo, together she becomes whole.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about here. You don't mix chakra with "senjutsu". You mix chakra with natural energy in order to produce Sage chakra. Madara cannot mix Sage chakra with his own because, as we've agreed upon, chakra only mixes through genetics. What about this is going over your head?

What the actual **** :|
Senjutsu is natural energy mixed with chakra. Madara cannot literally have senjutsu chakra without mixing natural energy with chakra.
If Natural energy that is mixed with chakra is senjutsu, if the energy is not mixed than it remains as natural energy.
Energy is not the same as chakra, you need to mix the properties in order for it to become chakra.
Like are you seriously trying hard right now? Are you really serious? This is desperate annoyance right now.

Sage chakra doesn't mix period. Pain couldn't handle the amount of sage chakra he was taking in, as Naruto himself said.

Sage chakra mix period. As long as the manga states this, your fallacy remains nil.

 

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Hashirama's sennin mode requires mokuton and considering the fact that nobody we know of has sennin mode, nobody in the series have his sennin mode.

Where is it ever said his Sage Mode requires Wood Style? None of the other Sage Modes require something like this.

No, both have the same senjutsu. And once again, The juubi is comprised of gedo, biju, and kaguya's chakra.
So cut your bull, this shit is getting old. You're just coming up with excuses.

I was talking about the difference between chakra and Sage chakra, in which there is only one. Still don't know why you're separating Kaguya's chakra and the Taild Beasts' when below you just said that they are the same when merged.

I just said that the juubi is a part of kaguya as well. What the hell are you talking about? Do you not know how to read or are you trolling again? Kaguya was divided by Hagormoo, together she becomes whole.

Hagoromo divided her chakra into the Tailed Beasts, but you've failed to acknowledge this in the above point.

What the actual **** :|
Senjutsu is natural energy mixed with chakra. Madara cannot literally have senjutsu chakra without mixing natural energy with chakra.
If Natural energy that is mixed with chakra is senjutsu, if the energy is not mixed than it remains as natural energy.
Energy is not the same as chakra, you need to mix the properties in order for it to become chakra.
Like are you seriously trying hard right now? Are you really serious? This is desperate annoyance right now.

Seems you don't know your terms. "Senjutsu", which literally means Sage Techniques, is a reference to all Sage Mode related things. Sage chakra, or more literally Sage Technique Chakra, is natural energy energy mixed with regular chakra.

Now that we've got that straightened out, you need to learn how absorption works. Madara did not have to mix natural energy with his chakra. Hashirama already did that. Now stop and re-read that. Madara absorbed his Sage chakra, not only his natural energy, so since it was already infused into the Sage chakra, Madara needed to do absolutely nothing else.

Sage chakra mix period. As long as the manga states this, your fallacy remains nil.

It never said that in the manga.

 

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Where is it ever said his Sage Mode requires Wood Style? None of the other Sage Modes require something like this.

How about his databook entry? His senpou techniques are all woodstyle.

I was talking about the difference between chakra and Sage chakra, in which there is only one. Still don't know why you're separating Kaguya's chakra and the Taild Beasts' when below you just said that they are the same when merged.

I just said that the tailed beast chakra is just a part of Kaguya's chakra. Hagormoo was the one who divided up in the first place. I never said that they were a separate thing you troll. Kaguya's chakra can only come out if the gedo, divine tree, tailed beast chakra are together.

Hagoromo divided her chakra into the Tailed Beasts, but you've failed to acknowledge this in the above point.

I just said that the bijuus are a part of her chakra that hagormoo divided up you troll. What the hell is this rubbish that you're talking about here?

Seems you don't know your terms. "Senjutsu", which literally means Sage Techniques, is a reference to all Sage Mode related things. Sage chakra, or more literally Sage Technique Chakra, is natural energy energy mixed with regular chakra.

I need to point out your senile here because you have absolutely no idea on what you're talking about.

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Now that we've got that straightened out, you need to learn how absorption works. Madara did not have to mix natural energy with his chakra. Hashirama already did that. Now stop and re-read that. Madara absorbed his Sage chakra, not only his natural energy, so since it was already infused into the Sage chakra, Madara needed to do absolutely nothing else.

Hashirama's chakra is Madara. Why else did madara state the feeling of senjutsu chakra? For Madara to measure the level of senjutsu he can handle means that it already mixed with his chakra. The only reason why he is able to do that is because he has Hashirama's chakra as well.

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He just used senjustu chakra to dodge Sasuke, meaning he is using sennin mode. You cannot use sennin mode if it's not already mixed with your chakra.

It never said that in the manga.

Yes it does

 

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How about his databook entry? His senpou techniques are all woodstyle.

Feel free to post your proof. Just because all of his techniques are Wood Style does not mean that Sage Mode requires it. Sage Chakra can be applied to any technique, and the only ones Hashirama uses are Wood Style even out of Sage Mode, so obviously that would be what we see.

I just said that the tailed beast chakra is just a part of Kaguya's chakra. Hagormoo was the one who divided up in the first place. I never said that they were a separate thing you troll. Kaguya's chakra can only come out if the gedo, divine tree, tailed beast chakra are together.


I just said that the bijuus are a part of her chakra that hagormoo divided up you troll. What the hell is this rubbish that you're talking about here?

"The juubi is comprised of gedo, biju, and kaguya's "

You separated their chakra.

I need to point out your senile here because you have absolutely no idea on what you're talking about.

You failed to comprehend my post. Senjutsu is not nature energy combined with chakra. Sage chakra is. Senjutsu is all things Sage Mode related, once again. The term really has no use in this discussion.

Hashirama's chakra is Madara. Why else did madara state the feeling of senjutsu chakra? For Madara to measure the level of senjutsu he can handle means that it already mixed with his chakra. The only reason why he is able to do that is because he has Hashirama's chakra as well.

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Madara doesn't have Hashirama's chakra initially. He has Hagoromo's, as it is a combination and no longer separate. We've already agreed that chakra doesn't mix outside of genetics, so since Hashirama's Sage chakra is not genetic, it cannot combine with Madara's own.

He just used senjustu chakra to dodge Sasuke, meaning he is using sennin mode. You cannot use sennin mode if it's not already mixed with your chakra.

Yes you can. Ten-Tails hosts use Six Paths Sage Mode via the Ten-Tails' chakra instead of their own.

Yes it does

Then I assume you can show proof. Mind you that I'm asking for Sage chakra mixing with chakra, not nature energy mixing with chakra.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Feel free to post your proof. Just because all of his techniques are Wood Style does not mean that Sage Mode requires it. Sage Chakra can be applied to any technique, and the only ones Hashirama uses are Wood Style even out of Sage Mode, so obviously that would be what we see.

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"The juubi is comprised of gedo, biju, and kaguya's "

You separated their chakra.

I didn't separate them, Hagoromoo separated the gedo from the biju and the god tree. All these pieces together makes Kaguya.
Even naruto knows that the juubi is a part of kaguya's chakra.

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You failed to comprehend my post. Senjutsu is not nature energy combined with chakra. Sage chakra is. Senjutsu is all things Sage Mode related, once again. The term really has no use in this discussion.

Senjutsu is Sage Chakra :sdo:

Madara doesn't have Hashirama's chakra initially. He has Hagoromo's, as it is a combination and no longer separate. We've already agreed that chakra doesn't mix outside of genetics, so since Hashirama's Sage chakra is not genetic, it cannot combine with Madara's own.

He still has hashirama's chakra combined with his own. There is no difference. He wouldn't of been able to preform mokuton if he no longer had Hashirama's chakra anymore. And again, Madara just said he was able to use hashirama's senjutsu chakra.

Yes you can. Ten-Tails hosts use Six Paths Sage Mode via the Ten-Tails' chakra instead of their own.

No you can't as the ten tails merges with the users body. The fact that Orochimaru was able to absorb his senjutsu chakra back from kabuto who genetically implanted it just debunks everything you just said.

Then I assume you can show proof. Mind you that I'm asking for Sage chakra mixing with chakra, not nature energy mixing with chakra.

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How about naruto adding senjutsu chakra to massive spiraling chakra called the rasengan.

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I don't know what I'm looking for with this link. I read Hashirama's entry from the 4th Databook and it says nothing about Sage Mode requiring Wood Style.

I didn't separate them, Hagoromoo separated the gedo from the biju and the god tree. All these pieces together makes Kaguya.
Even naruto knows that the juubi is a part of kaguya's chakra/

You said the Ten-Tails' is from the Tailed Beasts and Kaguya's chakra. If the former combine to make the latter than there was no reason in making a distinction between the two.

Senjutsu is Sage Chakra :sdo:

No it's not. Senjutsu Chakra is Sage Chakra and Senjutsu is Sage Techniques.

He still has hashirama's chakra combined with his own. There is no difference. He wouldn't of been able to preform mokuton if he no longer had Hashirama's chakra anymore. And again, Madara just said he was able to use hashirama's senjutsu chakra.

He carries Hagoromo-like chakra, not Hashirama's. He can still use Wood Style because his new chakra is a combination of his previous and Hashirama's. Not exactly Hagoromo's, but like it enough to get the Rinnegan. Besides, that has nothing to do with the main point.

Hashirama's Sage chakra is not genetic, so it can in no way merge with whatever Madara's current chakra is.

No you can't as the ten tails merges with the users body. The fact that Orochimaru was able to absorb his senjutsu chakra back from kabuto who genetically implanted it just debunks everything you just said.

No it doesn't. Absorbing chakra is something many people can do. It's nothing special. The Ten-Tails' chakra does not merge with the hosts' just like any other Tailed Beast. They become separate sources of power.

How about naruto adding senjutsu chakra to massive spiraling chakra called the rasengan.

Quite useless. Adding chakra to a technique is not merging it with other chakra. Naruto and Sasuke used a combination attack against Obito (Scorch Style), but that doesn't mean their chakra is going to merge to become Hagoromo's and strengthen the attack.