Misunderstood: Kotoamatsukami

[Wolves]

Kage Summit bruh

OT: Question. Say in a one on one fight, you use Koto to make your opponent use a strong jutsu in their arsenal and believe it has defeated you, thus completely letting their guard down for a finishing blow of your own. Would this work and still make Koto sort of a one shot jutsu?

Pretty much, but high level sharigan genjutsu could probably do the same thing

 

[Sasuke The Solo God]

Dam. Wish I had time to debate my own thread.

 

[Jokule67]

bruh wut Lol

You dont know english? KA only works on one person not multiple. It would most likely be used on Fugaku which may not persuade the clan as a whole.

 

[Jokule67]

-sigh-

He doesn't trust Shisui, because he knows Shisui will try to do something Danzo doesn't want.

That's why Danzo stopped him. It was directly contradictory to Danzo's goals.

I don't trust Hitler, doesn't mean we have the same goals but a different approach.

You are assumimg the same as I am from prior knowledge. Danzo just didnt trust shisui or tge uchiha. He didnt think Shisui would succeed at all. He'd rather kill them and save the trouble of a coup and civil war.

KA works only on one person. You continue to look past that. Theres no garrauntee it would change the whole clan.

 

[Jokule67]

Kage Summit bruh

OT: Question. Say in a one on one fight, you use Koto to make your opponent use a strong jutsu in their arsenal and believe it has defeated you, thus completely letting their guard down for a finishing blow of your own. Would this work and still make Koto sort of a one shot jutsu?

Oh you mean when he used it on The Samurai Leader? Yeah...one person

 

[Sasuke The Solo God]

He was planning on it if I remember and then danzo stole one of his eyes and everything went to shit and the anbu tried to kill him so he killed himself

And? he still had one eye. Why not do it? bc one) it wouldnt work on danzo or fuguku

 

[Sasuke The Solo God]

Kage Summit bruh

OT: Question. Say in a one on one fight, you use Koto to make your opponent use a strong jutsu in their arsenal and believe it has defeated you, thus completely letting their guard down for a finishing blow of your own. Would this work and still make Koto sort of a one shot jutsu?

Yes it would. Obviously they'd agree with that statement to use storngest justu so they wouldnt question it as their own.

Then, knowing they were going to use it, shisui could shunshin around it and solo with sharingan genjustu.

 

[Sasuke The Solo God]

That's a possibility. The confirmed targets have all been influenced with an idea not outside of their own beliefs.

-Danzo's use on Mifune forced him to recommend Danzo lead the SA, an idea Mifune already stated he believed.
-Shisui desired to use it on Fugaku to stop the coup before it happened, Fugaku likely didn't want to resort to violence at all in the first place.
-Itachi obviously already wanted to defend Konoha, but needed to override Kabuto's mind control talisman.
-We don't know what context Ao and Shisui's battle was in, but it may have been a small skirmish between respected adversaries the way Minato and Bee fought as begrudging, yet respected enemies.
-And Danzo's desire to use it on Tobi might have made sense, as Tobi was likely the type to throw away any assets to further his own agenda.

Exactly my point.

 

[Wolves]

You dont know english? KA only works on one person not multiple. It would most likely be used on Fugaku which may not persuade the clan as a whole.

Which fanfic did this come from. "most likely" You realize that's speculation. The manga says the clan more than a few times

 

[Jokule67]

Which fanfic did this come from. "most likely" You realize that's speculation. The manga says the clan more than a few times

And Itachi said it works on one person. Databook says so also. Post a scan proving your fanfic and then you can talk. Till then KA works on a single individual not a hundred people.

 

[Wolves]

And Itachi said it works on one person. Databook says so also. Post a scan proving your fanfic and then you can talk. Till then KA works on a single individual not a hundred people.

Post manga scans of koto only working on one person when shisui uses it. Also post that databook statement I just looked and it says nothing of the sort.

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The truth is we know almost nothing about shunsui's using KA capabilities (right/left ka cooldown..etc). Trying to figure out his capability based on itachi and danzo is speculation.

 

[Jokule67]

Post manga scans of koto only working on one person when shisui uses it. Also post that databook statement I just looked and it says nothing of the sort.

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You first mate. You got nuthin.

 

[Wolves]

You first mate. You got nuthin.

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opponents plural....

 

[Jokule67]

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opponents plural....

Furst Itachu says individual

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Second Ao says Opponent's meaning one opponent.

Also in the scan where Shisui is speaking himself, he states he tried to use it to stop the coup. He never said how or how many. He never said any numbers. He said he tried using it to stop ot but danzo took his eye. Never once was it hinter he would control the WHOLE clan like Infinite Tsukoyomi.

If it were that easy he could just attend the meeting and one shot every Uchiha there no problem, no worries, but his Genjutsu is to OP and has limits because of it.

 

[Wolves]

Furst Itachu says individual

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Second Ao says Opponent's meaning one opponent.

Also in the scan where Shisui is speaking himself, he states he tried to use it to stop the coup. He never said how or how many. He never said any numbers. He said he tried using it to stop ot but danzo took his eye. Never once was it hinter he would control the WHOLE clan like Infinite Tsukoyomi.

If it were that easy he could just attend the meeting and one shot every Uchiha there no problem, no worries, but his Genjutsu is to OP and has limits because of it.

When they say individual they are explaining the effects of the genjutsu on a particular perosn. Which is what u see in Ao and Itachi's statements. When Ao he uses the plural form afterward he expands on it and says opponents which means multiple people. We have that dialogue and the plan to stop the uchiha coup using koto. That all we know the rest is speculation on how he planned to utilize that.

 

[Demonic.]

When they say individual they are explaining the effects of the genjutsu on a particular perosn. Which is what u see in Ao and Itachi's statements. When Ao he uses the plural form afterward he expands on it and says opponents which means multiple people. We have that dialogue and the plan to stop the uchiha coup using koto. That all we know the rest is speculation on how he planned to utilize that.

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OT - It's too bad Observer perma rekt. He could've shed some light on Shisui but he'd rather troll about how it feels like to take a shit.

 

[Holy God]

I'd say the commands are absolute within the bounds of reality. Itachi was even going to use it on Sasuke in order to completely reverse his personality.

 

[Jokule67]

I'd say the commands are absolute within the bounds of reality. Itachi was even going to use it on Sasuke in order to completely reverse his personality.

Yes I think this also. He literally controls your mind, no illusions. Or perhaps the greatest illusion of all.

 

[Jokule67]

When they say individual they are explaining the effects of the genjutsu on a particular perosn. Which is what u see in Ao and Itachi's statements. When Ao he uses the plural form afterward he expands on it and says opponents which means multiple people. We have that dialogue and the plan to stop the uchiha coup using koto. That all we know the rest is speculation on how he planned to utilize that.

That plural using for opponents means whatever opponent he faces not several people. It only works on one person dude not hundreds. If it were that easy Shisui wouldnt have to worry about anything. Its more complicated than that. He'd have to turn Fugaku first who is the clan head and gives orders. Never once was it stated KA is used on several people especially not a whole clan. He was gonna use KA as a means of attempting to stop the coupe. Thats all that was stated.

 

[Dizzldot]

And? he still had one eye. Why not do it? bc one) it wouldnt work on danzo or fuguku

He wouldn't do it to danzo, but no, danzo's anbu were still chasing him and made the decision they're taking his eyes he had to die either way so give the eye to itachi