Yes, the clan was famous for that, and he was on top or the leader of the clan. But unfortunately he doesn't have Ying to perform a genjutsu. Now, he used one in the manga but Kishimoto still didn't have clear that the Ying was going to be for the genjutsu. It is a rule for genjutsus said in the manga. That is why.
Hashirama Databook Stats
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Well, the elements on the databook stats your affinities, not the elements you have master. The fact the he has all doesn't mean he can use them all, it just shows what he is capable of and from we can say he knows suiton and doton for sure.
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What do you mean I?
Knowing all 5 elements doesn't say much when naruto did the same at the age of 16. And he is not a master of genjutsu, he only has one genjutsu technique that Hiruzen was able to break. People who are masters of genjutsus are Uchiha like level where they can control people, control multiple people/creatures at once, and unbreakable genjutsu.
Note that Hashirama lacks Yin fragment on his databook grid so he's clearly not a genjutsu master at all. Not even close.
I gave him a 2.6 like naruto because they both have the same amount of experience when it comes to genjutsu prowess. In intellect Tobirama already belittle his brother as the idiot like naruto, so non of what I'm saying is false.
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Naruto got RSM/TSB handed to him. Hashi was always above Madara who was a genius not just because he was strong. He is a battle genius with loads of experience. He mastered all the elements on his own. Those who master many jutsu and learn many elements are geniuses in Ninja world. Only reason why Tobirama calls him stupid is for his personality, other than that he knew as much ancient knowledge as Tobirama.
2.6 is too low and is an insult to make him stupid like naruto. Its only his personality which is similar to Naruto not his intelligence or knowledge.
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Wrong bro Databook only shows the affinities a ninja has mastered. Why do you think Kakashis is listed more than just Raiton. He learned more than just his ONE affinity to Raiton. You arent born with 5 affinities
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>Naruto learned frog sagemode and we don't know how Hashirama attained his sagemode. As for RSM that wasn't handed to him at all.
>Hashirama being above Madara who is smart has nothing to do with Hashirama's intellect, especially when you only have one flashback scene of Hashirama's memory of the two. Naruto has been over Sasuke in many cases even in Part 1 and he's still an idiot.
>Naruto mastered all five elements too and he was called a battle genius. I don't get this hype you're giving hashirama. He just lacks yin which he clearly did not master.
>Hashirama did not master many jutsus. He just has complete master over wood release along with his sagemode. You can't even name any other diverse jutsus Hashirama knows besides bringer of darkness and Rashōmon gates.
>Hashirama does not have as much knowledge as Tobirama, he's actually a complete idiot and Tobirama had to make the tough decisions for him in office.
He's shown nothing to make his intellect above Naruto's and 2.6 is perfect for him considering that he has only one genjutsu feat like naruto.
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No one uses genjutsu because everyone knows how to break it. And because no one uses it, No one is prepared to fight it, so the Genjutsu users are unbeatable.
For the last time Naruto DID NOT master all the elements. What manga are you reading? Naruto just has the elements comprised automatically in TSB due to being handed RSM. He did not train or has the knowledge of these elements on his own.
Hashi learned a elements on his own. That ALONE puts him over 2.6 intelligence. He knows jutsu of every element, including secret knowledgde only the hokage knows and his advisors. He has vast knowledge you can give him a 3.5 due to his lack of ability with formal/political situations but he fits the genius mold even more than Madara who has Sharingan.
Bringer of Darkness is all I need to prove his mental aptitude its genjutsu plus used by a way WEAKER edo version of him.
One who knows many jutsu and affinities is not a 2.6 intelligence. He is not an idiot like Naruto. Only their personalities are similar, not their knowledge.
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Naruto learned all 9 bijuu kekkai genkai from RSM.
And why are you asking me what manga I'm reading? You claimed that Hashirama knows all 5 elements yet in the manga he's shown nothing but mokuton (earth and water).
Naruto's element mastery is the same as Hashirama if you exclude the bijuu kekkai genkai.
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Bold part: No he did not, that was not mentioned in the manga.
2.6 is for genjutsu not intellect.
Hashirama is not more than a genius more than madara, where the hell are you getting that fan fic from? What manga are you reading is the question because I read this nowhere. Tobirama said he is an idiot, it's just plain and simple like naruto.
It's still the only genjutsu he has and even when he came back a stronger a second time you can tell how pointless it was to use against high level opponents. The rest is just speculation at this point.
2.6 is genjutsu if you read my post properly. I don't know why you're arguing with me on his intellect, Tobirama already said he was dumb. Being stupid is not a personality.
Prove that Hashirama used all affinities because in the manga all he used is mokuton.
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Completely wrong. No one uses it because it requires high intellect and good CC. And kishi rarely uses it cause it's broken hence the nerf and powerups to counter it.
Tobirama compared their goofy personalities. Hashirama is clearly not stupid in knowledge. He has the knowledge of his clan and ancient secrets as well as knowledge of all elements. He was not given "univereal understanding". He learned all affinities on his own.
Uchihas are known as warrior geniuses as stated in manga. Madara regarded him as the ultimate shinobi. He >Madara. His genius outshines Madara.
If you dont give him a 2.6 intellect then I'm okay. But his genjutsu should be at least 3.5 since he knows genjutsu even as an edo.
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I never read any of this in the manga or watched any of this in the anime. Where are you getting this from?
That's not a good logic. Shikamaru is the biggest genius in the series yet naruto>shikamru. Does that make naruto a genius now? No, Madara is way smarter than Hashirama but he always lost to Hashirama in power because he didn't have enough to compete against his sagemode.
Hashirama is not a genius and his intellect level is on par with Hokage naruto at best.
His genjutsu is 2.6
People like jiraiya who has a stronger genjutsu feats than Hashirama only has a 3 in his databook stat, so giving Hashirama any higher is just you being biased.
You need to deal with things by feats and not crazy hype because you'll look like one of those unreasonable Hiruzen fans.
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Hashi > jiraiya gen stats.
Jiraiya needed toads to cast genjutsu since he sucked at it.