[Question] Is Zoro the 2nd in command of the SHs?
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So basically every person that posted in this thread? Make sure you come up for air, bruh
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So what? That's because I've been discussing this with multiple people at once. You talking like having the most posts doesn't mean other people weren't active just as much as me. Hop off nuts brothaman
LOL you act like disrespecting captain isn't anything big...without Zoro at Water 7 crew could have disbanded XD Sanji got pissed af,Zoro got pissed af & Nami and Luffy were crying...
That's Zoro for you it was said few times that Zoro is the individual who doesn't listen to captains words or something in some moments XD what does Zoro leaving has anything to do with him not being the first mate of the crew XD his precius sword was taken the sword which he needed to slice up Pica later in the story..
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Usopp would have left regardless. His defection isn't what prompted Zoro to say that he would leave the crew as well, it was Luffy saying he'd let Usopp rejoin no matter what. That falls on Luffy's decisions and actions, not Usopp's.
I didn't say disrespecting the captain wasn't a big deal. But objectively, it wasn't as big a blunder as Zoro's. It received far more drama and attention because of the emotional weight it had on the crew, but Usopp's defection didn't put the crew in as big of danger as Zoro's outburst and pursuit of the sword did. Usopp's defection was a bigger deal, but Zoro's blunder was a bigger mistake because the situation at the time meant it had bigger repercussions if his actions made the mission go south. Usopp's defection didn't put any missions or plans in jeopardy, Zoro's mistake did.
It does. I can't remember who it was, but someone said Usopp could never be first mate material because he left the crew over a boat. My response was to show that, using this logic, Zoro isn't first mate material either because he almost got an Admiral, an army, and someone as powerful as Doflamingo alerted to their identities and presence, which is a bigger mistake as pointed out above.
And the Merry was their precious boat that was needed to escape the Buster Call on Enies Lobby. Without the sword, Zoro wouldn't have cut Pica(not likely), and without the Merry, the Strawhats would have died in the Buster Call. I think it's safe to say the Merry carried at least the same level of importance as Zoro's sword.
This is what happens when you jump into a conversation blindly like an idiot. Me pointing out Zoro's mistake was a response to someone saying that Usopp couldn't be vice captain because he made a huge mistake over a boat. My response refutes this argument by pointing out that Zoro made an even bigger mistake over a sword that he was lucky didn't backfire and bite them in the ass.
To simplify it for you two:
Person A said Usopp can't be vice captain because the Merry situation shows a severe lack of good judgement. I responded with an instance of Zoro also having a severe lack of judgement in the same light as Usopp, arguably even bigger.
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Nicely said...almost...almost didn't happen so where's the problem...yeah Merry was important but does that anything to do with Zoro's sword..Luffy kicked Usopp's ass either way...
What are you showing me Zoro blunders just to say something bad and that he is not worthy the first mate title?
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The fact that it didn't happen means it isn't as big a deal, but it doesn't mean it wasn't as big a mistake, if not bigger. Like I said, the crew was LUCKY that Zoro's outburst didn't get a spotlight on them and didn't prevent the crew from doing their job, but it very easily could have. The fact that Zoro's lack of judgement made a huge problem possible for the crew means it's still a big mistake. Usopp's lack of judgement didn't carry any such possibilities or repercussions. Bigger deal? Yes. Bigger mistake. Not even close.
You tried to excuse Zoro's mistake by pointing out that the sword became important later on. I used your logic to show how Usopp's mistake is excused because the boat became just as important later on.
Absolutely irrelevant.
I wasn't showing you shit. I posted that as a response to whoever said Usopp can't be first mate because he made an extremely poor judgement call over an object, which I'm sure wasn't you. YOU then decided to respond to it while being ignorant of its basis.
Fixed that for you.
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You seem to think Zoro almost created the mistake. No. He 100% created the mistake, and the mistake almost bit them in the ass.
Zoro created a huge risk of danger to the crew, while Usopp created none. Zoro wins.
Luffy would literally do the same thing as Zoro if it was strawhat rather than Zoro's swords :|
But Usopp wasn't the owner of the ship anyways...Usopp wanted to take it from them...even if Usopp didnt ***** about nothing would have changed,it was ship's "soul" who said Iceberg to repair it how's this case same as Zoro's with swords?
Everyone made mistakes in SH's Zoro isn't the only one...
You even proved my point by using the word 'almost' in your post.
Zoro 'almost' bit them in the ass, but he didn't.
Usopp wins, because he actually damaged the crew emotionally.
Zoro's damage didn't happen.
Usopp's damage did happen.
Usopp wins.
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Okay? You still seem to be missing the point: THIS IS A RESPONSE TO SOMEONE ELSE. The fact that you're saying "Luffy would do the same for his Strawhat" just proves my point more. My post was originally an argument AGAINST the notion that Usopp's reaction to scrapping the merry endangered the crew. You saying that Luffy would put the crew in danger for his hat just shows why the ORIGINAL PERSON I WAS RESPONDING TO was wrong to say that Usopp can't be vice captain for hurting the crew emotionally over a boat.
Actually, Usopp took the boat and went to fix it. This resulted in Franky shoving it underwater and it washed up near Iceberg. If Usopp didn't take the boat, it would have remained docked at the shipyard and crushed by the Aqua Laguna, and would have never been fixed by Iceberg and brought to Enies Lobby. Which would have resulted in the Strawhats dying in the Buster Call.
THAT'S MY POINT
Zoro's damage was the creation of danger.
Usopp's damage didn't endanger the crew.
Someone who puts your life in danger is worse than someone who breaks your heart.
The former is worse.
He went to fix it and then Franky destroyed it more :| good job Usopp you did well...well we don't know if Merry would been crushed since Merry moved at it's own till Ennies Lobby.We don't really know if Laguna would have smashed it.
so everyone made mistakes cool...still doesn't mean Zoro can't be first mate...whoever that said about Usopp.
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