You're right m8, Sasuke fans so conviniently misinterpret or twist the facts when it suits them. What Naruto meant in that scan was that he can't beat Sasuke at his current power level without killing him. And its quite evident from the way he was holding back against Sasuke in VOTE 2.
I could easily say Hashirama without NE is inferior to Madara but using NE is part of his power just like using a bijuu is part of Madara's. It's about what their power allows them to do not what weapon they rely on.
Using the bijuu as a summon is still a Sharingan feat no different to how being a Jinchuuiki is a body feat for Naruto, Madara is still on Hashi's level no matter how you look at it.
Madara's eye power = Hashi's body and Naruto's body = Sasuke's eye power because using Kurama as a personal weapon is still considered a part of Indra and Ashura's feats
Madaras PS cannot stand against Shinsusenju only Wood Golem.
If he has to use Kyuubi that means SM isn't enough to defeat Sasuke which proves OP's point.
And if you're talking about this version of Kurama then it also fails because Sasuke can suppress the chakra with his Sharingan
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Finally, Sasuke has Orochimaru's powers to help him against Kata, he only needs to experience one hit to know that he should keep his distance.
Naruto requires KCM to be on Sasuke's level because that's when his true Yang starts to bloom. Before that he will have to rely on co-operation to match hebi Sasuke jus as Ashura relied on co-operation to match Indra.
Cooperation or not he still wins. The only way for him to have SM longer than 5 mins is for kyuubi to let Ma & Pa merge which is the TRUE Sage Mode used in combat. Infinite chakra supply. Kyuubi was blocking that opportunity for Naruto.
You always misunderstand what I post. I said if NARUTO is unrestricted by Kyuubi. Meaning kyuubi not holding him back from completing his Sage Mode training. That is how it remains active and used in battle.
SM Naruto>Hebi Sasuke bro. MS Sasuke>SM Naruto and KCM Naruto>MS Sasuke then BSM=/=EMS Sasuke all at full potential not progressive.
I say not progressive because Naruto was stronger throughout most of War Arc and actually powered Sasuke up.
I could easily say Hashirama without NE is inferior to Madara but using NE is part of his power just like using a bijuu is part of Madara's. It's about what their power allows them to do not what weapon they rely on.
Using the bijuu as a summon is still a Sharingan feat no different to how being a Jinchuuiki is a body feat for Naruto, Madara is still on Hashi's level no matter how you look at it.
Madara's eye power = Hashi's body and Naruto's body = Sasuke's eye power because using Kurama as a personal weapon is still considered a part of Indra and Ashura's feats
Nope, v3 Susanoo on par with wood golem
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PS negged wood golem
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half of PS was still intact after getting pounded by buddha statue
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Madara's strongest avatar = Hashirama's strongest avatar because Yin = Yang
No bro the Perfect Susano'o got extra power from the Kyuubi. The Chakras merge. How do you think Sasukes sword pierced Obito when merged with Naruto BSM? Otherwise it wouldnt have worked.
I never said Kyuubi is not Madaras power dingo. I specifically said it is by saying its his Summoning. Its wgat puts him on equal footing with Hashi. Same with Naruto concerning Sasuke. Its a power boost.
And Madara use TBB/Swords through out that whole clash with Shinsusenju
No bro the Perfect Susano'o got extra power from the Kyuubi. The Chakras merge. How do you think Sasukes sword pierced Obito when merged with Naruto BSM? Otherwise it wouldnt have worked.
Sasuke's sword pierced Obito because of Juugo's senjutsu and he was able to possess Juugo's chakra because he had a portion of his flesh.
EMS users can't mix Kurama's chakra with their avatar unless they're jinchuuriki. Madara's feat was all PS, Kurama was just used for bijuu dama.
I never said Kyuubi is not Madaras power dingo. I specifically said it is by saying its his Summoning. Its wgat puts him on equal footing with Hashi. Same with Naruto concerning Sasuke. Its a power boost.
Oh ok, but I still don't think it's a reason to say they're inferior. Bijuus are a weapon like a sword is to a samurai, Indra and Ashura's genes are what allowed Naruto and Madara to use Kurama to their fullest potential.
And Madara use TBB/Swords through out that whole clash with Shinsusenju
TBB were used for offense but the defensive feats were all PS. And it was technically thanks to his Sharingan that Madara was able to make Kurama use TBB, his control over bijuu is an eye feat like Pain's control over Animal Path.
Its obvius that naruto would kill sasuke. How can sasuke dodge invisible punches that are strong enough to kill? EXACTLY. Naruto just gotta poke the air as he charges sasuke and sasukes eyes will be poked out!
Naruto in sage mode is 100000000000000x stronger than Sasuke.
(It would take 10000000000000000 sasukes to kill him, dont believe me? He fell on spiky rocks when in sage mode, he too durable)
Uhmm the same dying Itachi kept Naruto trapped in an illusion with no effort
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Preta was a corpse, not quite the same thing as someone with CM, body replacement technique and Orochimaru's healing feats
I'm not underestimating anything, Hagoromo said Indra was the superior one until Ashura's power fully bloomed. Naruto didn't start to fully bloom until the moment he controlled Kurama's chakra, before that he relied heavily on co-operation to fight high tier opponents.
He needed K 11 to fight Haku and he needed Pa and Ma to fight a dying Pain almost out of chakra, Deidara and Itachi are similar level opponents and Sasuke held his own. If it wasn't for Susanoo Sasuke would've won that fight with Kirin.
Didn't the same dying Itachi put Sasuke in a Genjutsu too???
your point about Genjutsu is invalid..
You guys seem to take the Ashura - Indra thing too literally, you're worse than SP
Naruto and Sasuke are not Ashura and Indra
Everything can't be the same
While Hebi Sasuke can survive a hit from Frog Kumite, he definitely won't be in good shape after receiving a couple of them and he would receive them because he won't see it coming
MS Sasuke vs SM Naruto.. that's the real fight..
SM Naruto definitely beats Hebi Sasuke
Sasuke's sword pierced Obito because of Juugo's senjutsu and he was able to possess Juugo's chakra because he had a portion of his flesh.
EMS users can't mix Kurama's chakra with their avatar unless they're jinchuuriki. Madara's feat was all PS, Kurama was just used for bijuu dama.
Oh ok, but I still don't think it's a reason to say they're inferior. Bijuus are a weapon like a sword is to a samurai, Indra and Ashura's genes are what allowed Naruto and Madara to use Kurama to their fullest potential.
TBB were used for offense but the defensive feats were all PS. And it was technically thanks to his Sharingan that Madara was able to make Kurama use TBB, his control over bijuu is an eye feat like Pain's control over Animal Path.
Lol you dont give up on this. Although you wrong about the curse mark, Juugo was there thats why his sword pierced Obito.
However, in regard to Hashi/Maddy those TBB did most of the damage and I know blasted alot of arms away.
With just Maddy PS it would be reduced to nothing because he wouldnt be able to fight back with enough fire power. Great offense it the best defense in this situation. Even after the scuffle Hashi SS was able to move and put Kyuubi to sleep even picking him up lke a puppy. Maddy PS was drivel bro.
Shinsusenju>Perfect Susano'o. Kyuubi is needed to stand any chance
Didn't the same dying Itachi put Sasuke in a Genjutsu too???
your point about Genjutsu is invalid..
You guys seem to take the Ashura - Indra thing too literally, you're worse than SP
Naruto and Sasuke are not Ashura and Indra
Everything can't be the same
While Hebi Sasuke can survive a hit from Frog Kumite, he definitely won't be in good shape after receiving a couple of them and he would receive them because he won't see it coming
MS Sasuke vs SM Naruto.. that's the real fight..
SM Naruto definitely beats Hebi Sasuke
This is the real fight to ask about, naruto before he can abuse the kyuubis power and sasuke before itachis eyes, sm vs ms, and we got short changed like f ck in the filler that attempted to show this fight
Didn't the same dying Itachi put Sasuke in a Genjutsu too???
your point about Genjutsu is invalid..
You guys seem to take the Ashura - Indra thing too literally, you're worse than SP
Naruto and Sasuke are not Ashura and Indra
Everything can't be the same
While Hebi Sasuke can survive a hit from Frog Kumite, he definitely won't be in good shape after receiving a couple of them and he would receive them because he won't see it coming
MS Sasuke vs SM Naruto.. that's the real fight..
SM Naruto definitely beats Hebi Sasuke
You're right m8, Sasuke fans so conviniently misinterpret or twist the facts when it suits them. What Naruto meant in that scan was that he can't beat Sasuke at his current power level without killing him. And its quite evident from the way he was holding back against Sasuke in VOTE 2.
If you actually read the manga, you would know that in that scan Naruto was talking about needing Kurama to defeat Sasuke.
He said that he was tired of running away from bein a Jin and so he went to train KB. :sdo:
