Strongest Mangekyo Sharingan

[take it easy]

Indra

Obito

Itachi

The rest

 

[-immortal-]

1. Itachi
2. Madara
3. Sasuke
4. Obito

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

This was when Nagato's body was restored right? So you are right, Nagato was still immobile even while restored. That's all I wanted was evidence. Thanks.

kishimoto proved you a liar not me :sdo:

 

[V h o]

Kamui is the best, derpito had the best MS ability. HM to shisui KA and game PS

 

[Styles]

Still cant keep up with Minato.

And Sasuke's Susano'o was ripped open to the ribcage with a wind tech. Im sure Kirin would obliterated the ribcage. So yes he used Yata.

Uh Danzo also used a rare Baku summoning to increase his wind techniques and hit Susano'o' weak point.

 

[SenseiSama]

*EMS is for transmigrants* now im 100% sure you create naruto contradictions yourself

When did I contradict myself ? Itachi blatantly said Uchiha tried to gain EMS and failed, in the whole clan's history only two people have been able to achieve it and both of them were transmigrants.

Furthermore, Madara's reference to "straight comma" was EMS, he even said Sasuke is the only one to have had it and it was because they shared a connection beyond blood a.k.a being transmigrants.

Itachi states Genjutsu cant be used on those with the same eyes in part 2.

And in part 1 he states you need Uchihas blood to negate Tsukoyomi saying that Kakashi was still vulnerable even with Sharingan.

Bottom line is every Uchiha has potential to break Tsukoyomi.

Potential =/= ability

He said those are the requirements, that does no meant the person has the skill to break through it, in fact KA worked perfectly on Itachi which means MS users aren't immune to MS genjutsu like you're suggesting. And Every Uchiha has potential to counter Kamui because they can see chakra build up in the eye and know when Obito will use his technique.

Ps. Anyone cannot easily counter Kamui. Thats false. It took Gai,Kakashi, and Naruto to decipher and counter Kamui. All this with ONE eye and they used his OTHER eye to do it.

Because Gai and Kakashi did not have intel on Kamui, if they didn't have intel on Amaterasu the would've gotten negged instantly like Kakashi did when facing he got caught in Tsukuyomi.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

When did I contradict myself ? Itachi blatantly said Uchiha tried to gain EMS and failed, in the whole clan's history only two people have been able to achieve it and both of them were transmigrants.

Furthermore, Madara's reference to "straight comma" was EMS, he even said Sasuke is the only one to have had it and it was because they shared a connection beyond blood a.k.a being transmigrants.

no it wasn't...it was a reference to unique mangekyo sharingan...if it was a reference to EMS then madara would have stated it was EMS...stop making shit up

 

[123fire]

When did I contradict myself ? Itachi blatantly said Uchiha tried to gain EMS and failed, in the whole clan's history only two people have been able to achieve it and both of them were transmigrants.

Furthermore, Madara's reference to "straight comma" was EMS, he even said Sasuke is the only one to have had it and it was because they shared a connection beyond blood a.k.a being transmigrants.



Potential =/= ability

He said those are the requirements, that does no meant the person has the skill to break through it, in fact KA worked perfectly on Itachi which means MS users aren't immune to MS genjutsu like you're suggesting. And Every Uchiha has potential to counter Kamui because they can see chakra build up in the eye and know when Obito will use his technique.




Because Gai and Kakashi did not have intel on Kamui, if they didn't have intel on Amaterasu the would've gotten negged instantly like Kakashi did when facing he got caught in Tsukuyomi.

It wasn't said directly in the manga , you just concluded it that way .

 

[123fire]

1. Itachi
2. Madara
3. Sasuke
4. Obito

Obito's DMS is stronger than Sasuke's itachi's and Madara's

 

[Jokule67]

Uh Danzo also used a rare Baku summoning to increase his wind techniques and hit Susano'o' weak point.

Susanoo has no weak point. The point is that it wouldnt survive Kirin which is way more powerful. Itachi used Yata to protect against Kirin.

 

[Jokule67]

When did I contradict myself ? Itachi blatantly said Uchiha tried to gain EMS and failed, in the whole clan's history only two people have been able to achieve it and both of them were transmigrants.

Furthermore, Madara's reference to "straight comma" was EMS, he even said Sasuke is the only one to have had it and it was because they shared a connection beyond blood a.k.a being transmigrants.



Potential =/= ability

He said those are the requirements, that does no meant the person has the skill to break through it, in fact KA worked perfectly on Itachi which means MS users aren't immune to MS genjutsu like you're suggesting. And Every Uchiha has potential to counter Kamui because they can see chakra build up in the eye and know when Obito will use his technique.




Because Gai and Kakashi did not have intel on Kamui, if they didn't have intel on Amaterasu the would've gotten negged instantly like Kakashi did when facing he got caught in Tsukuyomi.

You make alot of things up. Kamui doesnt build up chakra nor has anyone "seen" it. In fact, only Amaterasu was stated to build chakra so stop the fanfic please.

Every Mamgekyou user is above 3tomoe Sasuke, meaning they ALL can break Tsukoyomi. KA was stated to be UNBREAKABLE. Tsukoyomi can be broken by other Uchiha.

Even with Intel you cannot EASILY counter Kamui. They hardly countered his 1 eye. And they only did it becuz his other eye. Give him both and its extremely hard next yo impossible to harm him or stop him. Its 100x better than Ameno also.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Wrong. Itachi has shadow/crow clones stun/explosion and other means to cast gen without eye contact. Honestly those two alone is enough to challenge obito if you don't factor in rikudou chakra and zetsu cells to enhance his kamui hax and body durability. dsm kabuto even went as far to claim itachi has multiple ways to end the war. That's ****ing insane. So much potential kishi never revealed.

Please don't tell me you think something like Itachi finger genjutsu which Sakura/Chiyo instantly broke Naruto off is going to affect Obito even for a second. Obito murked and saw through Naruto's KCM Clones and you think Itachi's clones will work. Once Obito touches Itachi it's GG. If Kakashi's major Kamui spam in the war arc is to go by then Obito shouldn't have that much of a problem even if he has no Zetsu enchancements.

 

[LoZelda101]

Please don't tell me you think something like Itachi finger genjutsu which Sakura/Chiyo instantly broke Naruto off is going to affect Obito even for a second. Obito murked and saw through Naruto's KCM Clones and you think Itachi's clones will work. Once Obito touches Itachi it's GG. If Kakashi's major Kamui spam in the war arc is to go by then Obito shouldn't have that much of a problem even if he has no Zetsu enchancements.

That's exactly what I'm telling you. Naruto got lucky due to outside help, obito is on his own.

You downplay finger gen yet naruto couldn't break it himself.

Obito himself said even the weakest genjutsu can be the most effective and change outcomes.

Itachi crow clones distracted dsm kabuto who had sage senses. Obito isn't getting pass that lol.

"Once he touches itachi it's GG"

Funny you say that. The same way clones could counter gen, explosion clones can counter kamui. Touch the clone? Good, tangible is a requirement.

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Stop overrating kamui. Even konan figured that shit out

 

[Uchihauzamakibarrage]

Still cant keep up with Minato.

And Sasuke's Susano'o was ripped open to the ribcage with a wind tech. Im sure Kirin would obliterated the ribcage. So yes he used Yata.

Well Sasuke's Ribcaged also tanked the fourth's raikage tech and the raikage's squad mentioned that they have never seen victim survive from it, but Sasuke's Ribcaged tanked it.

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[Uchihauzamakibarrage]

That's exactly what I'm telling you. Naruto got lucky due to outside help, obito is on his own.

You downplay finger gen yet naruto couldn't break it himself.

Obito himself said even the weakest genjutsu can be the most effective and change outcomes.

Itachi crow clones distracted dsm kabuto who had sage senses. Obito isn't getting pass that lol.

"Once he touches itachi it's GG"

Funny you say that. The same way clones could counter gen, explosion clones can counter kamui. Touch the clone? Good, tangible is a requirement.

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Stop overrating kamui. Even konan figured that shit out

Damn I forgot all about Konan she did figure that shit out, if it wasnt for Izanagi he'd be dead

 

[Lawlermelon]

He had rikudou chakra with his kamui. Smh

Sasuke and Madara also had rikudo chakra. What's your point? So did The sage and Indra. What's your point? Your wanna be a dumbass? Go do it somewhere else.

 

[LoZelda101]

Sasuke and Madara also had rikudo chakra. What's your point? So did The sage and Indra. What's your point? Your wanna be a dumbass? Go do it somewhere else.

You're dumb as ****. Sasuke and madara rikudou gave them their own rinnegan, obito temp borrowed rikudou to enhance his kamui. The point I'm making is that idiots are giving obito dms speed and warp feats that only exist with rikudou chakra. He would not do the same shit without it you ugly baboon ape alt.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

That's exactly what I'm telling you. Naruto got lucky due to outside help, obito is on his own.

You downplay finger gen yet naruto couldn't break it himself.

Obito himself said even the weakest genjutsu can be the most effective and change outcomes.

Itachi crow clones distracted dsm kabuto who had sage senses. Obito isn't getting pass that lol.

"Once he touches itachi it's GG"

Funny you say that. The same way clones could counter gen, explosion clones can counter kamui. Touch the clone? Good, tangible is a requirement.

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Stop overrating kamui. Even konan figured that shit out

OMG so impressive Itachi got Naruto. A non-Uchiha with no way to break genjutsu unless he is with allies or bijuus are friendly. Obito's skill with the Sharingan would allow to see right through Itachi's finger genjutsu and anything else. Obito is no slouch when it comes to genjutsu, tell me when itachi can make the Kyuubi his dog . Obito isn't stupid and knows Itachi is very intelligent, he knows genjutsu are one of the Uchiha's famous skills so he would keep his eyes peeled for any.

Obito knows about Itachi's skills and would make sure he doesn't catch a clone and he keep his guard if he sees something strange. Kabuto was unaware he was being put under Izanami(his sense were changed with) and Obito sure as hell is going to make sure the same doesn't happen to him and Itachi himself says the jutsu can't really be used in an actual fight so he clearly took advantages of Edo Tensei(Kabuto stabbing him). He has shown his proficiency in dealing with clones by easily seeing through Naruto's, never once has Obito kamui'd a clone. So Itachi explosion isn't ricking Obito besides pt1 Kakashi already could tell it was a clone(he tells Kurenai it's a copy before it explodes) so Obito isn't getting tricked by it. Plus pt1 Kakashi tanked that shit.

Konan only beat Kamui because she prepped those billion paper bomb tags for 5 min of constant explosions and itachi doesn't have such an attack. Minato and Kakashi figured it out because they have the perfect jutsu to counter it and Kakashi had allies with him. Itachi doesn't have either of those luxeries. If Obito touches the real itachi he is done for since he doesn't have an instant teleportation jutsu like Minato had to use to escape it. He isn't setting up Obito with an exploding clone once Obito touches him he needs space-time ninjutsu. Figuring out Kamui is one thing but he also needs the speed to counter it and Obito is well above him in that department. Obito is no fool and will use Kamui intelligently so he can hide its nature.

Both KCM naruto and Ay were unable to hit Obito so Itachi certainly isn't plus Obito was holding his own against Gai, KCM Naruto and Kakashi while also guarding the Mazo. Itachi can not even begin to compare with that.
Obito's stamina is also way higher than Itachi's so he can outlast him.

Kabuto, a master spy said Old Hiruzen is the strongest of the 5 kage but there is no way Old Hiruzen is defeating Ay and Onoki. Itachi ran away from Jiraiya because he thought he and Kisame couldn't beat him. So what credible character say can contradict the feats.

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Obito could have meant intel about himself, his plans and idenity that Itachi could leak before Obito completes the Bijuu hunt that could lead to his plan being ruined and his doom. Like if Itachi told Pain that Obito wasn't Madara and he was using him.

 

[Lawlermelon]

You're dumb as ****. Sasuke and madara rikudou gave them their own rinnegan, obito temp borrowed rikudou to enhance his kamui. The point I'm making is that idiots are giving obito dms speed and warp feats that only exist with rikudou chakra. He would not do the same shit without it you ugly baboon ape alt.

Borrowed? Obito was the juubi jin. It was left over in him. Madara stole his powers and sasuke had it handed to him. You have no valid points you bias *****.

 

[Char Aznable]

Of the MS with known abilities:

Obito
Shisui
Itachi
Sasuke

Madara and Indra's abilities aren't known. Although I do believe Madara was rumored to have time manipulation with his MS, but Kishi never confirmed what his MS can do. Same with Indra.