Obama administration issues guidance on transgender access to school bathrooms

[Made in Heaven]

You do realize what you just said right? Your own gender is a social construct because you were raised to be a certain way.

The only thing Transgenders are asking for is fair treatment. How is that bending over? What exactly are they doing that is ruining your life?

You're mocking their position which something they deal with every day of their lives. Imagine how that must feel.

Because I don't believe this BS about gender being a social construct. Males and Females in any species have different roles they play, likewise goes for humans. Even ignoring this, the idea of gender being a social construct makes 0 sense. According to people like you, gender is what people identify as, and *** is what people are. If that's the case, why am I not allowed to treat them based on their *** and not their gender? Just as how I would still treat someone who thinks they're a horse as a human. And if gender is a social construct, then there's no reason I should follow it, whereas their *** is something natural rather than societal.

They are being treated fairly. Not being called "she" or "woman" when you naturally have a snake isn't oppression. Trannies may not have affected my life directly, but they're messing up society, which I'm part of.

That's a possession most choose to be in on their own, so why should I feel bad for something they choose to do?

The difference is there's no way to make them biologically closer to a horse like you can with transsexuals.

So if one could, someone thinking they're a horse WOULDN'T be considered a mental disorder according to you? Being able to make a mental disorder become reality doesn't fix the mental disorder. That's like if someone has a mental disorder that they have a third arm, and through surgery, said crazy person is given a third arm. Just because reality now matches his disorder, that doesn't negate the fact that he still has a mental disorder not normal to humans.

 

[Lightbringer]

Transgenders are considered to have a mental disorder. How is someone believing that he/she is a horse called a mental disorder, but a man thinking that he is a woman trapped in a man's body not a mental disorder when he has the biological traits (such as a penis) to prove otherwise? I'm guessing your assumption is that transgenderes have a bodily disorder rather than a mental one? And you say that gender is a social construct, so how exactly do you explain little kids believing they are the opposite ***?

Well like I said, the APA among other official psychology institutes around the world do not deem it so.

So it's not just my word, but that is what it is officially classified as.

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"A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder."

 

[Lightbringer]

Because I don't believe this BS about gender being a social construct. Males and Females in any species have different roles they play, likewise goes for humans. Even ignoring this, the idea of gender being a social construct makes 0 sense. According to people like you, gender is what people identify as, and *** is what people are. If that's the case, why am I not allowed to treat them based on their *** and not their gender? Just as how I would still treat someone who thinks they're a horse as a human. And if gender is a social construct, then there's no reason I should follow it, whereas their *** is something natural rather than societal.

They are being treated fairly. Not being called "she" or "woman" when you naturally have a snake isn't oppression. Trannies may not have affected my life directly, but they're messing up society, which I'm part of.

That's a possession most choose to be in on their own, so why should I feel bad for something they choose to do?

So wearing dresses, high heels, make-up, doing your nails, etc. etc. is not a social construct?

And again, this is what the APA has to say about gender vs ***.

"*** is assigned at birth, refers to one’s biological status as either male or female, and is associated primarily with physical attributes such as chromosomes, hormone prevalence, and external and internal anatomy. Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviors, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for boys and men or girls and women. These influence the ways that people act, interact, and feel about themselves. While aspects of biological *** are similar across different cultures, aspects of gender may differ."

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What exactly are they messing up? The economy?

No one's asking you to pity them. Just don't treat them like they're less than human, which most people do.

 

[Made in Heaven]

So wearing dresses, high heels, make-up, doing your nails, etc. etc. is not a social construct?

It is, but I don't advocate for such things for either *** anyways. Well, mostly.

What exactly are they messing up? The economy?

Family life, and they're being sexual deviants.

No one's asking you to pity them. Just don't treat them like they're less than human, which most people do.

Am I not doing that? I'll treat them like humans, I just won't call them by the pronoun they want to pretend they are.

 

[Lightbringer]

It is, but I don't advocate for such things for either *** anyways. Well, mostly.



Family life, and they're being sexual deviants.



Am I not doing that? I'll treat them like humans, I just won't call them by the pronoun they want to pretend they are.

So they're ruining your own family life? What if their family accepts them as the way they are?

So only transexuals are sexual deviants? Where is the statistic on that? I guarantee you that there are more straight and "normal" sexual deviants than transgenders.


And what if they look like a woman, act like a woman, and even have a *** change? Would you not classify them as such?

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[Lightbringer]

Psychopaths don't experience distress and are certainly not disabled, so I'm guessing psychopathy isn't a mental disorder.

The answer is literally in the definition of a psychopath.

-a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior.

-is traditionally defined as a personality disorder characterized by enduring antisocial behavior, diminished empathy and remorse, and disinhibited or bold behavior.


You don't have to ask me why psychopaths are considered mentally ill when it's already been defined to the tee in the field of psychology. Just google the reasons.

 

[Lightbringer]

"A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder."

Psychopathy is not a mental disorder because APA said so though. Unless their definition of mental disorder is wrong? In which case, they are also wrong about transgenders not having a mental disorder.

You do realize how complex the brain is and how many different psychological terms there are right?

Also most psychopaths are in distress and are classified as having a disability due to their inability to function properly in society. Not only that but psychopathy is not just one thing, it is a broad category. It is usually multiple disorders which lead to psychopathy. That is why it is so hard to define when talking about a specific form of psychopathy.

Again, you're not psychologist and the APA is the biggest organization of psychology in the U.S.

 

[slimreaper]

The answer is literally in the definition of a psychopath.

-a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior.

-is traditionally defined as a personality disorder characterized by enduring antisocial behavior, diminished empathy and remorse, and disinhibited or bold behavior.


You don't have to ask me why psychopaths are considered mentally ill when it's already been defined to the tee in the field of psychology. Just google the reasons.

Stop citing the APA they're biased dude.

They had it as Gender Identity Disorder and then changed it. What new discoveries in the field of psychology changed this term? None, they're being prompted to change it by the politically correct government.



How much evidence of their bias do I need to provide? Stop citing them.

 

[Lightbringer]

Stop citing the APA they're biased dude.

They had it as Gender Identity Disorder and then changed it. What new discoveries in the field of psychology changed this term? None, they're being prompted to change it by the politically correct government.



How much evidence of their bias do I need to provide? Stop citing them.

The fact that you're trying to discredit the biggest psychological organization in the U.S. is ****ing hysterical. You also clearly didn't understand the passage that you quoted before.

Let's see what the UK has to say about transgenders having a mental disorder.

"The Society published a position statement today, 15 January 2013, that opposes any psychological, psychotherapeutic or counselling treatments or interventions (often referred to as ‘reparative’ or ‘conversion’ therapies) that view same-*** sexual orientations (including lesbian, gay, bisexual and all other non-heterosexual sexual orientations) as diagnosable illnesses."


“People of same-*** sexual orientations including lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and non-normative gender identities and all other non-heterosexual sexual orientations should be regarded as equal members of society. This includes freedom from harassment or discrimination in any sphere, and a right to protection from therapies that purport to change or ‘convert’ sexual orientation or gender identity.”

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Oooh, that's a sick burn. I'd just log off now if I were you.

 

[Lightbringer]

So they are in distress and are considered disabled because they are different and behave differently from "normal" humans?

That just makes transgenders look even more mentally ill. I mean, there's just absolutely nothing normal about a man thinking he's a woman, and vice versa.

And like slim said... stop citing them. Just because they are "professionals" doesn't make them any less idiotic or corrupt. Unless you want me to post a list of all the dumbass and corrupt organizations?

So just because they are disagreeing with you, you're calling them corrupt? Do you have any proof of that? They're not just one individual, it's thousands of psychologists. Not only that but other official organizations in other major countries say the same thing. Is this now some sort of conspiracy?

What financial benefit would they have in classifying transgenders as not a mental disorder? Think before you post.

Gender is classified differently in other cultures. What we consider acting like a "woman" in our society could be classified differently in a different nation. So saying men or women being a certain way here is "normal" is fundamentally incorrect. That's why gender is called a "social" construct.

Transgenders aren't in distress because of their perspective of gender identity, so no to your first statement.

 

[Lightbringer]

I'm not gonna bother anymore with this topic. Just know that weed is classified by the government and certain organizations as a dangerous drug that harms humans just as much as cocaine, heroin, (etc...). So go on ahead and think how much you can trust these people. I'm done here.

The APA has nothing to do with drugs or pharmaceutical products.

It's a whole other ball game which is why it's really dumb to compare an organization that strictly studies the human mind and one that studies medicine which can be sold for profit.

 

[Lightbringer]

Woosh. Over thy head.

No, not really; especially when other organizations in psychology in major countries around the world say the same thing.

Unless you're saying it's some global conspiracy to define transgenders as not having a mental disorder, then you're just flat out wrong.

That's as blunt as I can get.

 

[slimreaper]

The fact that you're trying to discredit the biggest psychological organization in the U.S. is ****ing hysterical. You also clearly didn't understand the passage that you quoted before.

Let's see what the UK has to say about transgenders having a mental disorder.

"The Society published a position statement today, 15 January 2013, that opposes any psychological, psychotherapeutic or counselling treatments or interventions (often referred to as ‘reparative’ or ‘conversion’ therapies) that view same-*** sexual orientations (including lesbian, gay, bisexual and all other non-heterosexual sexual orientations) as diagnosable illnesses."


“People of same-*** sexual orientations including lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and non-normative gender identities and all other non-heterosexual sexual orientations should be regarded as equal members of society. This includes freedom from harassment or discrimination in any sphere, and a right to protection from therapies that purport to change or ‘convert’ sexual orientation or gender identity.”

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Oooh, that's a sick burn. I'd just log off now if I were you.

They are all biased, I don't think you can grasp the concept.


What you quoted proves their bias. "protecting" a group from discrimination is their own admitted resoning for changing it from a disorder to a dysphoria.


What you are saying carries no weight, it's still a disorder, they just don't want to be viewed as being against transgender people. AKA bias.


People like me who aren't for them can see that nothing in the actual field has changed, other than political correctness.

 

[Lightbringer]

They are all biased, I don't think you can grasp the concept.


What you quoted proves their bias. "protecting" a group from discrimination is their own admitted resoning for changing it from a disorder to a dysphoria.


What you are saying carries no weight, it's still a disorder, they just don't want to be viewed as being against transgender people. AKA bias.


People like me who aren't for them can see that nothing in the actual field has changed, other than political correctness.

Here's the number for damage control if you need it? 1-800-555-Mend

 

[Lightbringer]

Seems like he didn't understand the marijuana example I used either. Oh well.

Psychological organizations around the world>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you.

You have no facts, they do.

 

[slimreaper]

Here's the number for damage control if you need it? 1-800-555-Mend

No damage control, it's literally what I've been saying the entire time, you're just too dense to grasp it.


I'm giving you in their own words why they made the change and it's still not enough for you.

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[slimreaper]

Psychological organizations around the world>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you.

You have no facts, they do.

“People of same-*** sexual orientations including lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and non-normative gender identities and all other non-heterosexual sexual orientations should be regarded as equal members of society. This includes freedom from harassment or discrimination in any sphere, and a right to protection from therapies that purport to change or ‘convert’ sexual orientation or gender identity.”


go ahead point out the "facts" in this^^ their own reasoning for the change

 

[Lightbringer]

No damage control, it's literally what I've been saying the entire time, you're just too dense to grasp it.


I'm giving you in their own words why they made the change and it's still not enough for you.

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So psychological institutes around the world say transgenders are not mentally ill........but you say they're wrong because you're butthurt?

I'm sorry, who are you again? Because I don't believe you're a psychologist. You have no facts.

 

[Lightbringer]

Don't smoke weed. It kills people.

Again. Psychological institutes all over the world>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your opinion.

You're statement on weed is not relevant in any sense of the way. Until you find me concrete evidence of all of these organizations are corrupt, then you have no argument.

 

[slimreaper]

So psychological institutes around the world say transgenders are not mentally ill........but you say they're wrong because you're butthurt?

I'm sorry, who are you again? Because I don't believe you're a psychologist. You have no facts.

For the last time dumbass, their reasoning for them "not being considered mentally ill" is to "prevent discrimination and stigmatization".


Ill put this in terms you like to use "their status as not mentally is a social construct" IE: it's not real.