Chunin Prelims Neji Vs CE Prelims Sasuke , Kiba , Choji , kangkuro , Yoroi and Lee .

[The Arizen]

Curse , u neg reped me for a logical post , thank u for ur cheering:xD:

 

[BLAZE]

:lol is the guy debating Neji withou Kaiten can fend off Sasuke , Kiba , Choji , kankuro , Yoroi and Lee :|

 

[The Arizen]

:lol is the guy debating Neji withou Kaiten can fend off Sasuke , Kiba , Choji , kankuro , Yoroi and Lee :|

Others conceded and agreed i guess ur just trying to be special , state how they win or kindly fade off into blackness where u came leach.

 

[BLAZE]

Others conceded and agreed i guess ur just trying to be special , state how they win or kindly fade off into blackness where u came.

Do i need too :lol You are the same guy who was wanking hinata's zero taijutsu prowess
when u are literally spewing this despite DB clearly stating Orochimaru failed despite perceiving the attack

Fire flower is anticipated and avoided neg diff , same with wires and dragon fire

 

[Claymantan]

Yea which means neji ran through 30m worth of clones without getting touched while everysingle clone was trying to catch him while watching a random clones movement wayy off in the back , neji was so agile he accomplished this while not even running at top speed due to having to avoid a bundle of naruto arms coming at him , passing by the clones , twisting and weaving around them with absolute ease , so yea wat doesn't kill my points makes them stronger hun.

It doesn't show unreactable blitzing speed is what I'm saying.

Lee is wayy faster than sasuke so no matter how sasuke reacts lee can counter react even quicker , the moment lee closes the distance he stomps sasuke for days anyway so irrelevant also if it wasn't IC then u would have half the team getting killed by kangkuro's poison bomb and katon while neji escapes easily.

Assuming OoC:

Bold is plainly ignoring that Sasuke has Katon.

Also, there's still no feat of Sasuke being unable to react to Weighted Lee's movement speed, and CE Neji's movement speed has no feats that would overwhelm Sasuke's demonstrated reactions. 2T Sasuke was able to react to Haku's KKG movement speed at a far shorter distance, which is no joke. The reason that Weighted Lee needs Gates is because of body speed, since he's a taijutsu-only specialist. Movement speed is irrelevant to Neji > Lee. So there's zero manga facts that prove that Sasuke wouldn't be able to react to a blitz at this distance by activating Katon.

OoC I still see Neji losing to the strategy I previously outlined, since a simultaneous attack is by no means difficult for Team to launch (all it is Sasuke and Kankuro activating the described techniques at the same time once the other three/four - I forgot about Choji honestly - launch their attack).

 

[Genyūmaru1]

I see you ain't put my boy Shino in this. Shino murks Neji here.

 

[The Arizen]

It doesn't show unreactable blitzing speed is what I'm saying.
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Neji literally swam through a pool of clones with each clone failing to react to neji weaving around them with ease and great pace , thats without even moving at full speed and was still able to run through the clones with ultra quick ace since they all literally tried to catch him then when he started running they all fail to even properly perceive him so yea this speed feat shits and all their reactions since has faster body speed than even weighted lee.

Assuming OoC:

Bold is plainly ignoring that Sasuke has Katon.

Rest remains that Neji can't deal with a simultaneous attack.

Bold is too laughable but ill just take ur concession and not go into another debate thats off-topic with this one.

 

[Claymantan]

Neji literally swam through a pool of clones with each clone failing to react to neji weaving around them with ease and great pace , thats without even moving at full speed and was still able to run through the clones with ultra quick ace since they all literally tried to catch him then when he started running they all fail to even properly perceive him so yea this speed feat shits and all their reactions since has faster body speed than even weighted lee.

His speed feats =/= Haku's speed. Saying that his full speed invalidates the reaction feats that Sasuke's 2T has at shorter distances is baseless.

Bold is too laughable but ill just take ur concession and not go into another debate thats off-topic with this one.

Make the OoC thread then xD

 

[The Arizen]

His speed feats =/= Haku's speed. Saying that his full speed exceeds the reaction feats that Sasuke's 2T has at shorter distances is baseless.

Baseless . haku's speed was already weakened by the time and Neji >>>>Weighted lee>>>>>>sasuke>>haku in pure body speed based on manga facts and portrayal.

Weighted lee would STOMPPPP the heck outa haku in speed with a billions times more ace than shanringanless sasuke did if they went at it , lee would literally wtf blitz the heck outa p1 haku.

Make the OoC thread then xD

Maybe.*_* but in the end ur still gonna concede

I see you ain't put my boy Shino in this. Shino murks Neji here.

I see u caught that lol , i considered shino but figured he would upset the balance of neji's solo so i excluded his game-changing presence , i had intended to include sakura and kin tho lol

 

[Claymantan]

Baseless . haku's speed was already weakened by the time and Neji >>>>Weighted lee>>>>>>sasuke>>haku in pure body speed based on manga facts and portrayal.

What?

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. He stated he could keep up that speed for a limited time, not that he'd gotten slower at that point.

Rest is irrelevant since we're talking movement speed.

 

[The Arizen]

What?

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. He stated he could keep up that speed for a limited time, not that he'd gotten slower at that point.

Rest is irrelevant since we're talking movement speed.

I stand corrected but my point was always that neji would close the distance as sasuke cant outpace him along with the fact that neji can counter react much quicker than him making his reactions useless and futile in the end.

If sasuke tries to react with katon neji anticipates this then easily avoids it with his agility followed by sasukes death , if he tries his shuriken jutsu then neji easily avoids it neg diff then kills sasuke , if any cqc types gets in the way they get put down with ease so ur changing ntn here.

 

[Claymantan]

I stand corrected but my point was always that neji would close the distance as sasuke cant outpace him along with the fact that neji can counter react much quicker than him making his reactions useless and futile in the end.

I'm not arguing that Sasuke is faster than Neji. I'm arguing that in the time it takes Neji to cross the distance, Sasuke has enough time to react, and has feats showing that he could react.

If sasuke tries to react with katon neji anticipates this then easily avoids it with his agility followed by sasukes death , if he tries his shuriken jutsu then neji easily avoids it neg diff then kills sasuke , if any cqc types gets in the way they get put down with ease so ur changing ntn here.

I think it's a leap to say that Neji could just sidestep and

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while moving full speed towards Sasuke.

FYI, he can make it even bigger than this, easily (since that was him, tired, at 8).

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NINJUTSU; Katon: Goukakyuu no jutsu (Fire Release: Hulking Fireball technique)
User: Uchiha Sasuke
Offensive; Close range; Rank: C

Main text

A jutsu where the chakra kneaded inside the body is converted into fire, and expelled forward in a massive orb of roaring flame. The scope of the attack is altered by controlling the volume of chakra that is mustered. The blazes, released with a thunderous roar will engulf their target, and leave a crater on the ground's surface. That's how terrifying they are...!!

Caption

-The massive flame engulfs and vaporizes everything!!

Picture comment

-The seals to activate it are Uma (Horse) and Tora (Tiger). Sasuke already has the skill to handle that advanced technique.

I'm gonna just come out and say that if Neji tries to blitz Sasuke, he dies. I doubt he'd be silly enough to try, though, IC or OoC. But that just means that, OoC, at least, my strategy for Team works, and Team can win.

 

[The Arizen]

I'm not arguing that Sasuke is faster than Neji. I'm arguing that in the time it takes Neji to cross the distance, Sasuke has enough time to react, and has feats showing that he could react.

And yet even ZA Sasuke himself has feats which enable him to dodge that attack , meanwhile neji has the byakugan which detects the slightest build up givin him beforehand awareness AND HAS SPEEED AND CHAKRA CONTROL MUCH GREATER than Za Sasuke.

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Neji is far more agile , faster and his chakra control is leagues above sasuke's , the speed of neji focusing chakra to his legs >>>>>> the speed of sasuke building up chakra in the body followed inhaling and exhalation of his jutsu so he avoids it WITH EASE.

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I think it's a leap to say that Neji could just sidestep and

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while moving full speed towards Sasuke.

He see's the chakra building up in sasuke's body/chest the instant it starts then proceeds to expel chakra into his feet for a shunshin dash , sidestepping the katon then weaving his way to sasuke as neji has more time to act. He already saw sasuke perform katon in the forest and know its his nature. At worse neji would

FYI, he can make it even bigger than this, easily (since that was him, tired, at 8).

Yea bring scans showing how much bigger or its baseless to his older IC Feats demonstrating the jutsu and its avoided either way.

I'm gonna just come out and say that if Neji tries to blitz Sasuke, he dies. I doubt he'd be silly enough to try, though, IC or OoC. But that just means that, OoC, at least, my strategy for Team works, and Team can win.

Nope , he out-performs sasuke then kills him.

 

[BLAZE]

That scan you presented doesn't apply because Naruto's Taijutsu is inferior to Lee, Prelims Sasuke's, and Kiba's, so of course his clones are going to get trashed against a Taijutsu expert. Doesn't necessarily imply that this applies to the entire team.

not only taijutsu was inferior but clones were less durable poofed with one strike alongside the fact naruto was losing good amount of chakra with his clones poofing away

 

[The Arizen]

Snipe asswipe.


Nvr said sasuke can do it alone thats something u pulled right out your ass but yeah with help of others yeah he does

Ur point induces the notion since ntn is stopping sasuke from doing this 1v1 and fails to even consider the terrain along with other obvious aspects which make it differ along with the set pieces and requirements it took for sasuke to even have pulled it off. How exactly would sasuke implement the scenario with the teams help? Have a couple of them go at neji while sasuke waits for the perfect timing to blindside the byakugan while simultaneously avoiding his teammates?

 

[Claymantan]

And yet even ZA Sasuke himself has feats which enable him to dodge that attack , meanwhile neji has the byakugan which detects the slightest build up AND HAS SPEEED AND CHAKRA CONTROL MUCH GREATER than Za Sasuke.

He see's the chakra building up in sasuke's body/chest the instant it starts then proceeds to expel chakra into his feet for a shunshin dash , sidestepping the katon then weaving his way to sasuke as neji has more time to act. He already saw sasuke perform katon in the forest and know its his nature.

Yea bring scans showing how much bigger or its baseless to his older IC Feats demonstrating the jutsu and its avoided either way.

Nope , he out-performs sasuke then kills him.

And, what, while this is happening the others just watch Neji move around? There's five other people in this battle. I'm not arguing 1v1, I'm arguing that Sasuke doesn't get blitzed in this matchup. If Neji's using Shunshin to dodge the Fireball, then that gives Kankuro time to set up a poison gas bomb or for the others to catch up and basically just reset the match.

Aside from that, this is all happening in a pretty short time, so I think you're really pushing it here. He's running full speed at Sasuke, perceives the chakra buildup, Shunshins to dodge Great Fireball, and then continues blitzing Sasuke while everyone just watches? No way. xD

Even if it was 1v1, I don't see Sasuke getting blitzed. If Neji side-Shunshins, so does Sasuke.

If you don't believe that Great Fireball can be bigger in spite of there being a Databook entry saying that he can, then don't make up speed feats for Neji that aren't supported anywhere. xD He's never run at a speed that nobody could perceive.

 

[BLAZE]

Ur point induces the notion since ntn is stopping sasuke from doing this 1v1 and fails to even consider the terrain along with other obvious aspects which make it differ along with the set pieces and requirements it took for sasuke to even have pulled it off.

Talks like other member will be tea partying there.Competely ignores Neji cannot fend off Kiba,Choji and Lee at same time since he canonically got hit by much slower Hinata when sealing her points

How exactly would sasuke implement the scenario with the teams help? Have a couple of them go at neji while sasuke waits for the perfect timing to blindside the byakugan while simultaneously avoiding his teammates?

Neji literally cannot fend and defeat multiple of them while fending Kunai,Fireball,Poison gas at same time without kaiten and his CE feats

You are acting like neji has some kind of godspeed so when he deals with each one on one others will just sit around

 

[Claymantan]

The first databook even ranks Kiba as faster than Neji xD

 

[BLAZE]

The first databook even ranks Kiba as faster than Neji xD

So did it Lee over Hinata but still the last debate went 3 pages

Handicapping Neji by not giving him rotation then putting him against 6 opponents with different fighting style then acting like Neji easily stomps :| Sad part he used the neji who while blocking hinata's chakra points was struck by her.The fact hinata combatant skills pales against almost all of them bar Yoroi maybe

 

[The Arizen]

And, what, while this is happening the others just watch Neji move around? There's five other people in this battle. I'm not arguing 1v1, I'm arguing that Sasuke doesn't get blitzed in this matchup. If Neji's using Shunshin to dodge the Fireball, then that gives Kankuro time to set up a poison gas bomb or for the others to catch up and basically just reset the match.

Im just countering wat u set forth , i already said any who tries to stop neji gets killed then an there , dwindling the team already and thats why i asked repeatably to tell me exactly wat happens and who tries to intervene so i can tell u who dies first , ur just skipping over the fact that people from the team are gonna die.

As if kangkuro would have the time or reaction to intercept neji's shunshin dash with a gas bomb after neji avoids sasukes fireball , its like u dont even kno that shunshin is extremely fast movement , even the much slower noob like sasuke was capable of pulling feats off like these at a time when he could hardly control his chakra.

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when did kangkuro get byakugan/sharingan or reaction feats portraying this intercepting and reactive capability? also ignoring that the byakugan senses all attacks along with sasuke bein close enough to neji to also become victim to gas bombs since avoiding katon puts them at mid/close range , not that kangjuro could pull the feat anyway .

If Neji uses shunshin to dodge sasukes katon close range mid/close range then how the **** would he notice that neji reacted via shunshin in time to cancel the fire ball then prep his own shunshin? even so neji easily outpaces him with the head start of his own shunshin along with his superior speed , agility , chakra usage and C Awareness.


Also wat would the others do after they try to catch up? overwhlem neji with numbers like wat happend when neji swam trough a river of naruto clones untouched?. How tf would it reset the match?????? tf is happeing in that scenario of urs that causes the match to reset?

Aside from that, this is all happening in a pretty short time, so I think you're really pushing it here. He's running full speed at Sasuke, perceives the chakra buildup, Shunshins to dodge Great Fireball, and then continues blitzing Sasuke while everyone just watches? No way. xD

Whoever intervenes gets killed just tell me who and how they intervene so i can debunk it already , wat would be the resulting scenario after that? U cant just mention the others and not mention wtf they would do to stop neji , obviously they would do something but who does wat and how??????

Even if it was 1v1, I don't see Sasuke getting blitzed. If Neji side-Shunshins, so does Sasuke.

Neji follows and outpaces him with superior speed , agility , chakra control and the head start so its the same results as sasuke wont get far.

If you don't believe that Great Fireball can be bigger in spite of there being a Databook entry saying that he can, then don't make up speed feats for Neji that aren't supported anywhere. xD He's never run at a speed that nobody could perceive.

I never said it cant get bigger , i said bring a scan showing how big or where is size is portrayed , its still avoided no diff and resluts in sasukes death.

The first databook even ranks Kiba as faster than Neji xD

And?? is kiba gonna blitz in and save sasuke or is kiba gonna outperform neji? wat does this now entail???

U have yet to even address wat actions the team would take after neji avoids the katon and goes far sasuke as thats the scenario where we're at. I debunked ur statement that sasuke toast him with katon and now u improvise in a way that doesn't save sasukes life.