Nagato vs Itachi (conclusion)

Jiraiyathesannin

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So we all saw nagato get sealed and defeated after fighting Naruto, Killer Bee, And edo itachi.

This leads many to say "nagato was unstoppable but still got defeated by itach in one chapter".

i'm not going to discuss the things people already bring up like:
nagato doing his best to announce his attacks to allow for his defeat,
taking the power of a tailed beast ball, a rasenshuriken, and itachi's attack to defeat chibaku tensei and ALL of that stuff


I'm going to bring up something i haven't heard yet. And its that edo tensei favors some people more than others.

The main benefit of being edo tensei'd is unlimited chaka essentially. You don't have unlimited capacity (so for example, edo naruto couldn't just make a rasengan as large as the moon or something), but it has extremely quick regen regardless of stamina (i know this was nerfed a bit with the edo hokages later)

What is itachi's main problem? he has almost no stamina. You can SAY it was because his sickness, but we know nothing about that illness. When he got it, how it effected him. All we know is that even as back as far as part 1 itachi was unable to use more than 2 mangekyo sharingan attacks without getting tired.

What is nagato's best trait? His chakra capacity. He weilds the rinnegan, sure, better than anyone, however its because his reserves are so stupidly large that he's able to do this.

There's a reason itachi wasn't even confident that him and kisame could beat jiraiya. Itachi has 1-2 attacks maximum before he uses too much chakra.

NOTE: Itachi DID do a bit more during his fight with sasuke, but if you recall, he then died because he used too much chakra...

we know that amaterasu can be dispelled with shinra tensei. We know that eyes of a higher rank are unable to be affected by genjutsu cast by lesser eyes and rinnegan >MS on the eye tier. We know that kabuto had to fully control nagato and that kabuto didn't even know the full extent of his abilities.


Anyway thats my piece. Edo itachi is >>>>> regular itachi, but EDO nagato is only >= regular nagato
 

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They never fought seriously as Edo. Edo Itachi just as technical as his living self
 

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living itachi was slower and weaker , as he had to prolong his life to toughen up sasuke. White Zetsu stated that his movement were strange and slower, also that his vision was near to blindness. so edo itachi withh unlimited casting with no draw backs is obviously more powerful.
 

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No reason for a double agent to fight a sannin and waste his eye powers
 

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The only reason why people say itachi wins is because tsukyomi is the one hit wonder that Nagato has no counter for, that and totsukya.
 

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The only reason why people say itachi wins is because tsukyomi is the one hit wonder that Nagato has no counter for, that and totsukya.

A sharingan user can't genjutsu a ms user, who cant genjutsu an ems user, who cant genjutsu a rinnegan user. mangafax
 

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First of all we don't know that rinnegan is immune to tsukyomi or not
And I guess totsuka is ineffective against pain(nagato) as alive nagato use puppets to fight so itachi doesn't gonna get enough time to seal 6 pains

So its all depends on tsukyomi otherwise pain mid diff itachi
 

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First of all we don't know that rinnegan is immune to tsukyomi or not
And I guess totsuka is ineffective against pain(nagato) as alive nagato use puppets to fight so itachi doesn't gonna get enough time to seal 6 pains

So its all depends on tsukyomi otherwise pain mid diff itachi

You're forgetting Sasuke's Rinnegan pre-Mugen Tsukuyomi. Also, Madara had both of his eyes and wasn't affected.
 

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Nagato wasn't even the one doing the fighting anyway, it was all Kabuto.
 

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A sharingan user can't genjutsu a ms user, who cant genjutsu an ems user, who cant genjutsu a rinnegan user. mangafax

Any user is susceptible to a genjutsu and that is a mangafact.
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Tsukyomi can only be stopped by those with Uchiha kekkai genkai, Nagato doesn't have Uchiha kekkai genkai.
 

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dunno wot u said other than m'Lord negs as per us'..

ty & Itachi solos
 

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Nope. Not even ocular (inb4 IT flawed theory)

when has an ocular jutsu affected a rinnegan user? I can not name any. however i CAN name a time a genjutsu cast by a rinnegan/sharingan user was BLOCKED by a rinnegan user. Its not flawed
 

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when has an ocular jutsu affected a rinnegan user? I can not name any. however i CAN name a time a genjutsu cast by a rinnegan/sharingan user was BLOCKED by a rinnegan user. Its not flawed

Can't compare blocking light to blocking any visual genjutsu. Good try thou
 

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Can't compare blocking light to blocking any visual genjutsu. Good try thou

His susano'o blocked the genjutsu because it was cast from his rinnegan. Mugen tsunkyomi light goes through everything. even affecting people on the opposite side of the planet. Clearly it has nothing to do with the properties of light.
 

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His susano'o blocked the genjutsu because it was cast from his rinnegan. Mugen tsunkyomi light goes through everything. even affecting people on the opposite side of the planet. Clearly it has nothing to do with the properties of light.

It also has nothing to do with regular visual genjutsu.
 

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It also has nothing to do with regular visual genjutsu.

I can't follow what you're referring to. In my previous prose: "clearly [infinite tsunkyomi] has nothing to do with the properties of light"
your response of "it also has nothing to do with regular visual genjutsu.

In this instance, "it" is mugen tsunkyomi. Mugen tsunkyomi has nothing to do with regular visual genjutsu? Maybe rewrite your last remark, i can't tell what argument you're trying to make. ok bud?



Your rhetoric comes off kinda sophomoric
 
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