Hebi Sasuke was not kage level!!!

[Obito the supreme jin]

How does Tsunade alone neg Hebi Sasuke. Sasuke has Kirin which travels at the speed of light shattering her and Katsuyu. On top of that his reflexes are fast. Your argument around Tsunade just involves summons. Summons are only one part of the battle but not the entire fight. No Katsuyu alone would have been beaten by Manda as that snake would have crushed it to bits.

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Now Hebi Sasuke is a Kage level shinobi. He beat Deidara who in turn beat the Kazekage Gaara. Yes Hebi Sasuke is also much stronger than early Pt 2 Gaara before he refined his skills.

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

so in your opinion hebi sasuke > hiruzen and kazekage gaara?

Id disagree that hebi sasuke can beat hiruzen, thats underating him. People ignore the fact oro uses edo tensei in his fight with hiruzen. It was 3 on 1 and hiruzen was old as shit, but he still managed to rob oro of his arms.


Kazekage garaa, at least early part 2 is debateable but i think end series garaa would beat hebi sasuke. Even that is debateable though. I think you underestimate hebi sasuke a bit. He didnt have ms yet but his analytical skills were top notch and he had good speed, and powerful jutsu he could use. Plus he had the curse seal granting him imperfect senjutsu chakra.

 

[Uzumaki Death god]

Hebi sasuke beat deidara who is considered kage level since he literally beat the kazekage. In my opinion garaa was somewhat weak for a kage early p2, so i would consider hebi sauce low kage level, and believe most of the current kage at the time would defeat him.

"Kage level" imo is a pretty broad term. Reason being there are many characters of pretty varying strength that can be considered kage level. The sannin, the akatsuki members, some of the high level jonin like kakashi and darui, kabuto, ect. This doesnt make them all equals it is simply true all or their ability can be considered comparable in strength to current and past kage. No one is going to argue that because hebi sasuke beat deidara, who is kage lvl, he could also beat hiruzen or minato.

My point being kage level is broad just as jonin, chunin, and genin Are. People of the same level are not perfectly equal, and you not liking sasuke doesnt take away the feats he accomplished during his hebi days.

I have nothing against sasuke and hebi was pretty badass but people who take it as far as saying he's easily kage level annoys me.but your explanation on the broad nature of the word has given me a new perspective on the issue.

So much wrong here.

don't worry, I have nothing against being proven wrong

The mines were 90% of Sasuke's troubles. He based his entire strategy against Deidara around those mines, and Deidara based his entire strategy against Sasuke around those mines.

So yes. It's a big deal. Sasuke fought 2v1 in that fight while holding back in order to capture Deidara alive for questioning, and while having to maintain enough chakra to keep Orochimaru sealed within him.

am not arguing with you about hebi > deidara, that's obvious. I have a problem with you claiming TOBI was kage level or his land mines a kage level feat or jutsu.That's where I cannot agree with you ina million years

 

[RedRobin]

How does Tsunade alone neg Hebi Sasuke. Sasuke has Kirin which travels at the speed of light shattering her and Katsuyu. On top of that her reflexes are fast. Your argument around Tsunade just involves summons. Summons are only one part of the battle but not the entire fight. No Katsuyu alone would have been beaten by Manda as that snake would have crushed it to bits.

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[Pyro NB]

I would say he was just below Kage level at that point not by much though

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

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And what does this prove. The same thing I said in my original post about how Katsuyu needed help from Gamabunta to defeat Manda. Ok dude my bad I knew I should have worded it as " already crushed it to bits".

 

[RedRobin]

And what does this prove. The same thing I said in my original post about how Katsuyu needed help from Gamabunta to defeat Manda. Ok dude my bad I knew I should have worded it as " already crushed it to bits".

Naruto fans man.

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

I have nothing against sasuke and hebi was pretty badass but people who take it as far as saying he's easily kage level annoys me.but your explanation on the broad nature of the word has given me a new perspective on the issue.



don't worry, I have nothing against being proven wrong



am not arguing with you about hebi > deidara, that's obvious. I have a problem with you claiming TOBI was kage level or his land mines a kage level feat or jutsu.That's where I cannot agree with you ina million years

Sasuke fans do indeed tend to overrate the shit out of hebi sasuke.they tend to overrate him just in general. I spent a lot of time on thris site back when the manga was still coming out, so i know how illogical sasuke fanboys are. He is low kage level at best imo. Pretty much all of the current kages would stomp hebi sasuke, only ones even being arguable are tsunade and garaa.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

Naruto fans man.

The fact is you wasted your own time in proving something I already knew.

It makes yourself look like a fool.:lol

 

[Uzumaki Death god]

How does Tsunade alone neg Hebi Sasuke. Sasuke has Kirin which travels at the speed of light shattering her and Katsuyu. On top of that his reflexes are fast. Your argument around Tsunade just involves summons. Summons are only one part of the battle but not the entire fight. No Katsuyu alone would have been beaten by Manda as that snake would have crushed it to bits.

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Now Hebi Sasuke is a Kage level shinobi. He beat Deidara who in turn beat the Kazekage Gaara. Yes Hebi Sasuke is also much stronger than early Pt 2 Gaara before he refined his skills.

You can't crush something that can liquify man.plus I mentioned byakugou which makes her invincible for certain period of time.Doesn't kiri require a lot of prep,like manipulating the weather till it's just right to be performed? I think tsunade can exploit that.And one thing you're forgetting is that tsunade has more Chakra and greater stamina than hebi sasuke

Id disagree that hebi sasuke can beat hiruzen, thats underating him. People ignore the fact oro uses edo tensei in his fight with hiruzen. It was 3 on 1 and hiruzen was old as shit, but he still managed to rob oro of his arms.


Kazekage garaa, at least early part 2 is debateable but i think end series garaa would beat hebi sasuke. Even that is debateable though. I think you underestimate hebi sasuke a bit. He didnt have ms yet but his analytical skills were top notch and he had good speed, and powerful jutsu he could use. Plus he had the curse seal granting him imperfect senjutsu chakra.

I see nothing but logic here

 

[RedRobin]

The fact is you wasted your own time in proving something I already knew.

It makes yourself look like a fool.:lol

"Crushed to bits"

Reforms.

Ok.

 

[Jokule67]

Hiruzen is garbage, maybe in his prime he was some sort of god, but for all we've seen him as in the manga, he's an average ninja, making him a low tier kage. Lets not forget he died fighting Part I Orochimaru. Me calling Gaara low rank is really pushing it, but compared to the other kages like Hashirama, Onoki, Tobirama, Muu, the 3rd Raikage, etc, Gaara is low tier.

And you think Hebi Sasuke is on their level? Not a chance. Those are basically Legendary Kage bro.

Hiruzen was strongest Kage of five nations at the time of Third Raikage so there ya go.

 

[kimb]

so in your opinion hebi sasuke > hiruzen and kazekage gaara?

That's not my opinion, I was responding to someone who asked who's considered low tier kage, but since you brought to my attention, yes I do believe Hebi Sasuke is stronger than Hiruzen and Gaara. Not 4th great ninja war Gaara, but Kage summit Gaara. Hebi Sasuke would also have no problem taking out Part I Hiruzen.


Hebi Sasuke > Deidara > Jinchuriki Gaara
Hebi Sasuke > Orochimaru > Hiruzen

 

[Jokule67]

All I gotta say is KazeKage Garra shits on Hebi Sasuke i dont care what anyone says

 

[Jokule67]

That's not my opinion, I was responding to someone who asked who's considered low tier kage, but since you brought to my attention, yes I do believe Hebi Sasuke is stronger than Hiruzen and Gaara. Not 4th great ninja war Gaara, but Kage summit Gaara. Hebi Sasuke would also have no problem taking out Part I Hiruzen.


Hebi Sasuke > Deidara > Jinchuriki Gaara
Hebi Sasuke > Orochimaru > Hiruzen

Abc logic doesnt work in Naruto everyone knows that. Put Sasuke in that same desert fight and see how bad he loses with sand in his a$$crack

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

You can't crush something that can liquify man.plus I mentioned byakugou which makes her invincible for certain period of time.Doesn't kiri require a lot of prep,like manipulating the weather till it's just right to be performed? I think tsunade can exploit that.And one thing you're forgetting is that tsunade has more Chakra and greater stamina than hebi sasuke


I see nothing but logic here

Byagoku makes no one invincible. Where did you get this from?Tsunade while using her Byagoku against Madara still got pierced by his Susanoo.

Actually manipulating the weather in NV can be rather easy to set everything to your standards. All Sasuke has to do is warm the atmosphere with Fire Style and the situation is perfect. With the warm air, the cumulus clouds form which sets up Kirin. It requires prep time but that's something Hebi Sasuke can buy time for.

"Crushed to bits"

Reforms.

Ok.

Obviously people edit their post when they have made a grammatcal/spelling mistake. You got a problem with that. Yes the words "would have was used in the wrong context" so what I acknowledged my early mistake. My point stands that Katsuyu needed help from Gamabunta to beat Manda

> Posts a scan.

> Thinks he is some hero.

:tea:

 

[KakarotxUchiha]

Deidara had intel from pain and prep time for the fight, gaara couldnt have fought deidara to his most destructive and full extent cause he was in his village and he didnt wanna hurt his beloved villagers, it was an unfair match up. Deidara is certainly not kage level, he got owned by itachi, sasuke, and kakashi he even got brought back to life to get owned by sai and kankuro If deidara is kage level than so were they lol

 

[kimb]

And you think Hebi Sasuke is on their level? Not a chance. Those are basically Legendary Kage bro.

Hiruzen was strongest Kage of five nations at the time of Third Raikage so there ya go.

Being Kage level means to share and equal level of power to someone who holds the title of Kage. Part I old man Hiruzen still held the title kage and lost to Orochimaru. Years later after their fight, Sasuke obliterates Orochimaru with no effort, Hebi Sasuke = Kage Level.

 

[Uzumaki Death god]

That's not my opinion, I was responding to someone who asked who's considered low tier kage, but since you brought to my attention, yes I do believe Hebi Sasuke is stronger than Hiruzen and Gaara. Not 4th great ninja war Gaara, but Kage summit Gaara. Hebi Sasuke would also have no problem taking out Part I Hiruzen.


Hebi Sasuke > Deidara > Jinchuriki Gaara
Hebi Sasuke > Orochimaru > Hiruzen

hebi sasuke finished off a weak and already dying orochimaru and hiruzen was defeated by a fully fit orochimaru with full intel on the third and also Edo tensei.So your Statement is understandable but also debatable.Buts that's your opinion so, cool

 

[RedRobin]

Obviously people edit their post when they have made a grammatcal/spelling mistake. You got a problem with that. Yes the words "would have was used in the wrong context" so what I acknowledged my early mistake. My point stands that Katsuyu needed help from Gamabunta to beat Manda

> Posts a scan.

> Thinks he is some hero.

:tea:

Seriously dude. I posted the scan to show you that Manda cant do shit to Katsuyu. If he bit into her, OK? what next? She splits and reforms. Manda can squeeze her all he wants its always the same result. However Katsuyu can spit acid and really hurt Manda if he wants to get so close.