[Discussion] Kaido and his 3 Calamities

[KenZoku Roshibo]

Kaido and his 3 Calamities

Well we already met Jack of The Drought the Mammoth Man
And I know some people think XDrake will be the king position ,but he will not be .
So let me do a quick analogy of who I feel the other 2 Calamities will be and represent

Jack Of The Drought
(The strong Mammoth zoan an incredible evil will and way of thinking it is said that he is kaidos right hand man ,but does not mean he is the strongest of the 3 ,it could just mean he is the closest to Kaido he leaves all eco systems in devastating manners )

Queen of The Damned
(She will be the Chimera Zoan user or simply more put she will blaze any land she lands on leaving all battlefields in flames of the Damned ,it would also make sense based off the artificial devil fruits and the Chimera being a mixed creature ,she will be epic and Evil as can be )

King Of The Despair
(He will be the strongest of the 3 hence the name king ,but I think he will be The Hydra Zoan User and we all know there are some deadly attributes of a Hydra ,but I think his calamity will be The Flood or tsunami type destruction he will be the most epic and deadly out the bunch and maybe the child of Kaido himself )


What do y'all think ,drop a comment and let's debate.

 

[Bimbonium]

A debate would be nice if you dropped some hints, this just seems like your opinion based on "nothing". It's not impossible for something like what you stated to happen tho

 

[Angelic.]

XD rake solos

 

[Caliburn]

This seems to be rather random thoughts that don't appear to be supported by anything in particular.

The Three Calamities seems to be a rather popular topic, but I get the impression people are easily swayed to think that the other two are people who ate a mythical zoan DF or some other kind of a super beast DF. The reality is however that Jack's title and his DF have little in common and that his DF animal on itself isn't that particularly impressive. Agreed a mammoth is huge, but compared to something like a Hydra or Chimera, it's really just a fluffy elephant. A mammoth also has nothing to do with droughts. The reason why he was given that title, was because he had such a savage personality. He was such a savage he would destroy villages and towns to the point they're beyond restoration.

Now it's safe to assume that they will have Zoan powers with the whole animal theme. On top of that the term "calamity" is mostly associated with natural disasters and a drought is a prime example of such a disaster. Droughts lead to starvation which leads to death. So in my opinion the last two calamities will have titles that also refer to such disasters. This is also compatible with the animal theme of Kaidou's crew: animals and natural disasters. Things like "the damned" or "the despair" sound ominous, but as a calamity it's hollow and shapeless. It doesn't mean or points towards anything. You just used words that sound scary, but have no meaning. If I would make a guess, I would say that one of them will be called "the Plague" or something along those lines. One of biggest, and by many considered the biggest, calamity humanity ever faced, was the Black Plague during the 15th century. The culprits? Rats. So I'm going to drop the idea that one of the calamities at the rat DF or another DF of animal that's closely related to plagues, like locusts. Yes far less impressive than a Hydra or Chimera, but I think that line of thought is closer to the truth than just making a list of all the most powerful animals humanity ever imagined.

 

[KenZoku Roshibo]

I really appreciate your insight and comment you are very right I had holes in my thread but let me explain I put despair and Damned could represent a calamity ,like the Damned could represent the plague and feeling Damned by a incurable illness and Despair as in like a flood and total destruction I just wanted to keep the theme of D as in
Drought , Damned and Despair ,but I appreciate what you said and you are right

 

[Caliburn]

I really appreciate your insight and comment you are very right I had holes in my thread but let me explain I put despair and Damned could represent a calamity ,like the Damned could represent the plague and feeling Damned by a incurable illness and Despair as in like a flood and total destruction I just wanted to keep the theme of D as in
Drought , Damned and Despair ,but I appreciate what you said and you are right

But that's exact issue with a nickname as "the damned" or "the despair". You can say that of everything as inherently they don't refer to anything in particular. That's different from "the drought", that's a clearly defined natural disaster. I really believe that the whole idea behind this group of three is that they are literally three beasts that are so powerful they cause natural disasters, hence their titles as "The Three Calamities" and their individual nicknames as "the Drought". So I'm expecting that the last two will have a name like "the Plague", "the Typhoon", "the Tsunami" or things similar to that. All of those things can be damned or cause despair, but as a result they sound hollow.

 

[loj]

I bet Drake X is one of em.

 

[Caliburn]

I bet Drake X is one of em.

Many people think that because it's the most obvious possibility, but personally I don't really believe that. For starters because it's too obvious, but more importantly he doesn't fit the profile. They are called the Three Calamities and based on Jack's behavior and personality, that seems to be quite appropriate. Drake however is completely different. He's calm, collected and he already has a nickname. He also can't have been part of Kaidou's crew for that long, tops two years. So that would mean he became one of the three highest ranking members of a Yonkou's crew in an extremely short time. If he was able to do that, well then there was never any reason for him to join a Yonkou's crew in the first place. He would have been strong enough to hold his own against them. This becomes especially clear when you compare him to Capone who also joined the crew of a Yonkou. Capone still got treated like a greenhorn by Pekoms, which means he isn't that high up the ladder. It's more likely that Drake's position would be similar to that of Capone. Lastly Jack's bounty is 1 billion, almost the double of the previous highest bounty in the series. Drake's post-time skip bounty hasn't been revealed yet, but it's normally somewhere around 350-400m. That difference is so vast that it almost becomes laughable to place Drake on the same level as Jack, but that's my opinion.

 

[loj]

Many people think that because it's the most obvious possibility, but personally I don't really believe that. For starters because it's too obvious, but more importantly he doesn't fit the profile. They are called the Three Calamities and based on Jack's behavior and personality, that seems to be quite appropriate. Drake however is completely different. He's calm, collected and he already has a nickname. He also can't have been part of Kaidou's crew for that long, tops two years. So that would mean he became one of the three highest ranking members of a Yonkou's crew in an extremely short time. If he was able to do that, well then there was never any reason for him to join a Yonkou's crew in the first place. He would have been strong enough to hold his own against them. This becomes especially clear when you compare him to Capone who also joined the crew of a Yonkou. Capone still got treated like a greenhorn by Pekoms, which means he isn't that high up the ladder. It's more likely that Drake's position would be similar to that of Capone. Lastly Jack's bounty is 1 billion, almost the double of the previous highest bounty in the series. Drake's post-time skip bounty hasn't been revealed yet, but it's normally somewhere around 350-400m. That difference is so vast that it almost becomes laughable to place Drake on the same level as Jack, but that's my opinion.

Well I put him in that position since he is the one we know nothing about after time-skip.We just know he is under Kaido and that's it.He's a Zoan as well so he fits in that group but then again Oda could have something else in mind...

 

[Caliburn]

Well I put him in that position since he is the one we know nothing about after time-skip.We just know he is under Kaido and that's it.He's mythical Zoan as well so he fits in that group.

He's an ancient zoan, not a mythical zoan, and that's also why I said many people think it's him because it's the most obvious choice. Realistically however he doesn't fit the profile, he is simply not someone you are going to describe as a calamity and that we don't know much about him post-time skip doesn't matter much as there's no reason to assume he changed that drastically compared to his fellow Supernova. As said if that was the case, the dude really shouldn't be in a Yonkou crew.

 

[loj]

He's an ancient zoan, not a mythical zoan, and that's also why I said many people think it's him because it's the most obvious choice. Realistically however he doesn't fit the profile, he is simply not someone you are going to describe as a calamity and that we don't know much about him post-time skip doesn't matter much as there's no reason to assume he changed that drastically compared to his fellow Supernova. As said if that was the case, the dude really shouldn't be in a Yonkou crew.

Oh God what got into me,yeah ancient my bad I was thinking too much about mythical :/ Well I'm curious what's with him,wonder if we gonna see him soon enough Drake always made me think he is a good guy I even thought he gonna be in Luffy's and Law's ally ^^ but then we found out he is with Kaido...wonder if Drake also as Kid and his ally encountered Kaido and couldn't do anything but join him.

 

[KenZoku Roshibo]

Jack The Drought (Mammoth)
Queenie The Plague (Basilisk or Kamodo )
King The Flood (Kraken or Orca or even a Spinosaurus )

Drake will not be a calamity no matter what I promise that he will most likely turn on Kaido and take one of the Calamities down.

Just for laughs

Jack The Venusaur
Queen The Blastoise
King The Charizard
Kaido The Dragonite hahaha

 

[Skull Knight]

I made a thread regarding Kaido 3 calamities few months back.

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I still think Jack, X-Drake & Marco are 3 calamities.

Many people think that because it's the most obvious possibility, but personally I don't really believe that. For starters because it's too obvious, but more importantly he doesn't fit the profile. They are called the Three Calamities and based on Jack's behavior and personality, that seems to be quite appropriate. Drake however is completely different. He's calm, collected and he already has a nickname. He also can't have been part of Kaidou's crew for that long, tops two years. So that would mean he became one of the three highest ranking members of a Yonkou's crew in an extremely short time. If he was able to do that, well then there was never any reason for him to join a Yonkou's crew in the first place.

Bro X Drake was rear admiral pre TS. I m sure when he became supernova he was VA lvl.Now if he trained with Jack in last 2 years he would be obviously High Shichibukai lvl.

 

[Caliburn]

I made a thread regarding Kaido 3 calamities few months back.

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I still think Jack, X-Drake & Marco are 3 calamities.


Bro X Drake was rear admiral pre TS. I m sure when he became supernova he was VA lvl.Now if he trained with Jack in last 2 years he would be obviously High Shichibukai lvl.

Rear admiral is not impressive, not in the least. The fact that his bounty was 222m pre-time skip, says enough as that makes him subtop among the Supernova. Saying that he was VA lvl at that point is also completely redundant as that would mean people like Kidd and Luffy were already far beyond that pre-time skip. And Jack is really not the type of person that's going to start training his fellow crew members diligently. Drake is at best 400m worth now and that's being generous, Jack is 1 billion. Something like a former rear admiral is peanuts and not even worth mentioning compared to that huge gap between the two of them.

And Marco is even less likely than Drake. Putting aside that his profile is even further away than Drake's of what you would call a calamity, that would mean Weeble is trying to pick a fight with Kaidou. He might be that stupid, but his mother sure isn't.

 

[Skull Knight]

Rear admiral is not impressive, not in the least.

I disagree. Strawberry(Rear admiral) was sent to capture/kill Fisher Tiger. After this incident he got VA position.

The fact that his bounty was 222m pre-time skip, says enough as that makes him subtop among the Supernova.

Bounty shows threat lvl right. If he joins Kaido & works for him (which he is) then his bounty would automatically increase. I m sure his bounty is somewhere near 600-700m(if he is 2nd calamity)now.

Saying that he was VA lvl at that point is also completely redundant as that would mean people like Kidd and Luffy were already far beyond that pre-time skip.

If I remember properly Drake fought Pacifista pre TS. And had no injuries like Urogue.
I m sure he was VA lvl pre TS.
Current Drake would be High Shichibukai lvl(if he was trained by Jack).

And Jack is really not the type of person that's going to start training his fellow crew members diligently. Drake is at best 400m worth now and that's being generous, Jack is 1 billion. Something like a former rear admiral is peanuts and not even worth mentioning compared to that huge gap between the two of them.

What if Kaido ordered Jack to train X-Drake?

And Marco is even less likely than Drake. Putting aside that his profile is even further away than Drake's of what you would call a calamity, that would mean Weeble is trying to pick a fight with Kaidou. He might be that stupid, but his mother sure isn't.

Marco fits perfectly as 3rd calamity. Reason:
1)Weeble is hunting Marco. He was beating WB allies & Marco was not there to protect them. That means he left them.
2)Kaido tried to attack WB at MF but was stopped by Shanks. Now I think Marco thought if Kaido didnot tried to pull a stunt like that, shanks would have come little early & would have stopped the war. So he is carrying vendetta against Kaido & he is trying to find some type of weakness Kaido have.
3)Nobody knows what happened to WB commanders & suddenly oda showed Weeble hunting them. This proves that we are going to see them soon. Marco as 3rd calamity would again make them important for plot.

 

[Caliburn]

I disagree. Strawberry(Rear admiral) was sent to capture/kill Fisher Tiger. After this incident he got VA position.


Bounty shows threat lvl right. If he joins Kaido & works for him (which he is) then his bounty would automatically increase. I m sure his bounty is somewhere near 600-700m(if he is 2nd calamity)now.


If I remember properly Drake fought Pacifista pre TS. And had no injuries like Urogue.
I m sure he was VA lvl pre TS.
Current Drake would be High Shichibukai lvl(if he was trained by Jack).


What if Kaido ordered Jack to train X-Drake?


Marco fits perfectly as 3rd calamity. Reason:
1)Weeble is hunting Marco. He was beating WB allies & Marco was not there to protect them. That means he left them.
2)Kaido tried to attack WB at MF but was stopped by Shanks. Now I think Marco thought if Kaido didnot tried to pull a stunt like that, shanks would have come little early & would have stopped the war. So he is carrying vendetta against Kaido & he is trying to find some type of weakness Kaido have.
3)Nobody knows what happened to WB commanders & suddenly oda showed Weeble hunting them. This proves that we are going to see them soon. Marco as 3rd calamity would again make them important for plot.

It's rather futile to disagree with facts. Rear admiral Kadar also tried to capture Fisher Tiger and the Sun Pirates, he got obliterated like it was nothing. By default there exists a large difference in strength between marines, especially among the ones that are below VA level. Strawberry was also at one point a regular foot soldier, just like Garp, Sengoku, Aokiji, Akainu etc. So that Strawberry eventually became VA means absolutely nothing. The facts speak for itself: Drake couldn't even beat a Pacifista pre-time skip and could only act like a salt pillar while Kizaru one-shotted him.

Drake being a former rear admiral = irrelevant. Him being VA level pre-time skip? A joke.

Yes a bounty reflects the threat someone poses. The fact that the threat a former rear admiral with a certain amount of knowledge about classified stuff like the Pacifista and who became a pirate only poses a 222m threat, says enough. Following your own argument that means his combat abilities would even be rated lower than that as you need to take into account that a part of his bounty is based on the fact that he was a former marine with inside knowledge. And they really aren't going to increase someone's bounty with 4-500m just because he joined the crew of a Yonkou. Again look at Capone and with extension the change in bounties for the other Supernova. His bounty is 300m, so following that comparison, which is unlike your random guessing a viable way to determine his bounty, a rough estimate would be 400m (take or leave 50m or so). Your 600-700m is a baseless statement void of any kind of sensible reason, logic or proof and is not even remotely realistic.

I repeat he got owned by a Pacifista. I suggest you reread those chapters again. In fact Urogue did a much better job than him as the only thing Drake could do even when he was fully transformed, was making some minor scratches and in response the Pacifista made him bend the knee in one hit. Urogue at least could get several hits in and knocked the Pacifista down for a moment. So yeah you are clearly not remembering it well. He was not VA level, not even remotely.

And why would Kaidou even order such a thing? Now you're just randomly assuming things that are extremely convenient for yourself, but have no basis whatsoever. There's no reason for Kaidou to order such a thing nor are he and Jack the types to be diligently training people. If anything they appear to be the complete opposite considering they have been stuffing their crew full of Devil fruits.


1) Your argument about Weeble doesn't make sense. Apparently Marco not being there to hold the hand of the WB allies means he has abandoned them and joined Kaidou....so with other words Weeble is hunting pirates that have no connection anymore with Marco to find Marco while Marco became one of the three top fighters of Kaidou's crew, which is something that definitely would be commonly known by people. If Marco really did join Kaidou's crew, Weeble would be hunting down pirates that serve Kaidou and that would mean he is picking a fight with Kaidou and Weeble's mother is really not stupid enough to do that. In reality you just stated an argument that works better against the hypothesis that Marco is one of Kaidou's men than the opposite.

2) Marco is trying to find a weakness of Kaidou....what? This is not even a theory anymore, you are making unrealistic baseless stories just so that it suits you. Nothing and absolutely nothing you just said made any kind of sense. They attacked Marineford fully prepared to die. WB and Kaidou by default weren't on good terms with each other and Shanks stopped the war on his own accord, nobody asked him. So you are telling me that a pirate the caliber of Marco became a backstabbing spy because Kaidou temporarily was holding up Shanks, who Marco didn't even know was coming, instead of going after either BB or the Marines who are responsible for the dead of Ace and WB?

3) Weeble is hunting the pirates that were allied with WB, not the WB pirates themselves. There's a difference there, the latter group are the ones he is searching, the former the ones he is using to find the latter. It's the same principle as how Bartolomeo's crew is allied with Luffy. He accepts Luffy as his parent, but he is still an individual captain with his own crew. We might or not might see Marco soon, he might or might not play an important role, but that is really not an argument that indiactes he joined Kaidou's crew as that can happen in countless of ways. The two have no connection with each other whatsoever. Following your logic he could have joined Big Mum or Shank's crew among many other possibilities. Also it was stated directly after the war that Marco was leading the remnants of the WB pirates. Again if Marco became one of the Three Calamities, Weeble wouldn't be doing what he was doing.


Kaidou is a savage, cruel beast and so is his crew. WB and Kaidou didn't seem to like each other very much and Marco is a decent guy who cared about his captain, friends and crew. A phoenix is also an age old symbol of rebirth. With other words Marco is the complete opposite of a calamity and one of the least likely persons who would associate himself with Kaidou. The arguments you brought forth yourself are more suitable to support that than your own statements.

 

[Skull Knight]

It's rather futile to disagree with facts. Rear admiral Kadar also tried to capture Fisher Tiger and the Sun Pirates, he got obliterated like it was nothing. By default there exists a large difference in strength between marines, especially among the ones that are below VA level. Strawberry was also at one point a regular foot soldier, just like Garp, Sengoku, Aokiji, Akainu etc. So that Strawberry eventually became VA means absolutely nothing.

At Sabody Arc it was said if someone hits a celestial dragon Admirals wil come. Fisher tiger destroyed Mariejois but no admiral was sent. Rear admirals were sent both the times. We don't knw if Kadar is alive or not after that incident so I will not argue about that but Strawberry definately got promotion after killing Fisher Tiger.

The facts speak for itself: Drake couldn't even beat a Pacifista pre-time skip and could only act like a salt pillar while Kizaru one-shotted him.

None of the supernovas can beat Admiral lvl guys. How could he beat Borsalino? I m sure after this incident he understand the difference in power i.e why he wants to meet Kaido pre TS

Yes a bounty reflects the threat someone poses. The fact that the threat a former rear admiral with a certain amount of knowledge about classified stuff like the Pacifista and who became a pirate only poses a 222m threat, says enough. Following your own argument that means his combat abilities would even be rated lower than that as you need to take into account that a part of his bounty is based on the fact that he was a former marine with inside knowledge. And they really aren't going to increase someone's bounty with 4-500m just because he joined the crew of a Yonkou.

I already told u above if he joined Kaido that means his threat lvl increased because he is now a Yonko's men. Another thing I wrote above was "if he became 2nd calamity" then his bounty lvl would increase to 600-700m & it's not baseless. If his bounty is 400-450m as u are expecting then why oda didnot showed it when he was reading Dofflamingo's news? Why is oda hiding his bounty? Oda should hav showed his Post TS bounty if he was not a big shot in Kaido's crew.

And why would Kaidou even order such a thing? Now you're just randomly assuming things that are extremely convenient for yourself, but have no basis whatsoever. There's no reason for Kaidou to order such a thing nor are he and Jack the types to be diligently training people. If anything they appear to be the complete opposite considering they have been stuffing their crew full of Devil fruits.

Common bro it's not hard to impress somebody in OP. U remember Zoro & Mihawk interaction pre TS. Zoro asked Mihawk to train him & Mihawk laughed & said ok. Something like that could happen here also.
Drake went to Kaido, said him he wants to become strong,pls train me. Kaido thought he has ancient Zoan who knows a lot about Marines. Kaido ordered Jack train Drake & make him a man strong enough to fight High Shichibukai lvl guys. After some time he became one of the strongest guys in Kaido's army,he got promotion & became Calamity.It's not hard.

1) Your argument about Weeble doesn't make sense. Apparently Marco not being there to hold the hand of the WB allies means he has abandoned them and joined Kaidou....so with other words Weeble is hunting pirates that have no connection anymore with Marco to find Marco while Marco became one of the three top fighters of Kaidou's crew, which is something that definitely would be commonly known by people. If Marco really did join Kaidou's crew, Weeble would be hunting down pirates that serve Kaidou and that would mean he is picking a fight with Kaidou and Weeble's mother is really not stupid enough to do that. In reality you just stated an argument that works better against the hypothesis that Marco is one of Kaidou's men than the opposite.

Nope u got it all wrong.
Weeble & his mother thought WB allies knew where WB had kept his treasure. That's why they were beating them. Marco's name came recently. I don't think his mum at presently knew Marco is working wit Kaido. SH's had no idea when they saw Isshou gambling at Dressrosa. They had no idea Isshou was admiral.

2) Marco is trying to find a weakness of Kaidou....what? This is not even a theory anymore, you are making unrealistic baseless stories just so that it suits you. Nothing and absolutely nothing you just said made any kind of sense. They attacked Marineford fully prepared to die.

Wrong they didnot went to MF to die there. They went there to bring Ace back. WB last words were protect Ace family & re-unite back at NW. That's why none of the commanders died at MF.

WB and Kaidou by default weren't on good terms with each other and Shanks stopped the war on his own accord, nobody asked him. So you are telling me that a pirate the caliber of Marco became a backstabbing spy because Kaidou temporarily was holding up Shanks, who Marco didn't even know was coming, instead of going after either BB or the Marines who are responsible for the dead of Ace and WB?

I m sure WB pirates fought BB, BM, Kaido after the war because these guys have taken there territory. Tell me why will Marco will not hold grudge against Kaido? Kaido was the reason Shanks came late & it was known by everybody that Shanks & Kaido fought before war.

3) Weeble is hunting the pirates that were allied with WB, not the WB pirates themselves. There's a difference there, the latter group are the ones he is searching, the former the ones he is using to find the latter. It's the same principle as how Bartolomeo's crew is allied with Luffy. He accepts Luffy as his parent, but he is still an individual captain with his own crew. We might or not might see Marco soon, he might or might not play an important role, but that is really not an argument that indiactes he joined Kaidou's crew as that can happen in countless of ways. The two have no connection with each other whatsoever. Following your logic he could have joined Big Mum or Shank's crew among many other possibilities. Also it was stated directly after the war that Marco was leading the remnants of the WB pirates.Again if Marco became one of the Three Calamities, Weeble wouldn't be doing what he was doing.

@Bold
As I wrote above Marco was not there when Weeble is beating WB allies, this proves he left WB's gang.

Kaidou is a savage, cruel beast and so is his crew. WB and Kaidou didn't seem to like each other very much and Marco is a decent guy who cared about his captain, friends and crew. A phoenix is also an age old symbol of rebirth. With other words Marco is the complete opposite of a calamity and one of the least likely persons who would associate himself with Kaidou. The arguments you brought forth yourself are more suitable to support that than your own statements.

Not really.
-Marco knows he can't beat top tier guys. After the war BB and WB crew must have fought endless battles where they lost there territories.
-He is holding grudge against BB, Admirals & Kaido. Why will he join BM? He has no business with her.
-Izo(16th division commander) looks like a wano guy. Wiki says after the end of war he had a sheathed sword. He wears kimono & have similar hairstyle like momo when he was a kid.

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If he is wano guy then that means more WB commanders are hiding in wano.
-I m sure Oda is not going to create a new arc to show Weeble vs WB pirates. He will show this in a arc where lots of fighting is going to happen. And Wano/Kaido war arc will be a big one wit lots of fighting going to took place.

I don't understand why everybody is against this idea. Marco is a pirate. His captain died, they lost WB's territory, he has no place to go, he left WB pirates & moved on. Lots of pirates have done that. Shanks, Buggy, Arlong, Jimbei etc they moved on wit there lives. Shanks is not living wit Rayleigh. He became a Yonko after his captains death. Buggy & Jimbei became Shichibukai. Later Jimbei started working wit BM. Arlong left Jimbei & went to East blue. So it's common thing in OP.

 

[ToshiZO]

He's an ancient zoan, not a mythical zoan, and that's also why I said many people think it's him because it's the most obvious choice. Realistically however he doesn't fit the profile, he is simply not someone you are going to describe as a calamity and that we don't know much about him post-time skip doesn't matter much as there's no reason to assume he changed that drastically compared to his fellow Supernova. As said if that was the case, the dude really shouldn't be in a Yonkou crew.

Look at all the destruction he caused when he went for Caribou. People calling him calm, but if its required of him I'm sure he can do calamity like things, as shown here.

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That's what was shown of him post timeskip and it matches that profile well.


Him being an ancient Zoan furthers that. I'm sure all 3 Calamities have an ancient Zoan theme going on, as we all know Oda loves doing these types of things.

Jack = Mammoth
Drake = T Rex

Also power wise within the crew it would make sense. If we were to look at Luffy, and say X Drake is at his level. Then using Whitebeards crew as a reference, Luffy is on Ace's level. Ace was the 3rd strongest crewmate (more or less) of the WB pirates.

WB = Kaido
Marco = Jack
Jozu = 2nd calamity
Ace = X Drake

power wise it makes sense. DF wise it makes sense. And he's even shown causing destruction in a cover page.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Look at all the destruction he caused when he went for Caribou. People calling him calm, but if its required of him I'm sure he can do calamity like things, as shown here.

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That's what was shown of him post timeskip and it matches that profile well.


Him being an ancient Zoan furthers that. I'm sure all 3 Calamities have an ancient Zoan theme going on, as we all know Oda loves doing these types of things.

Jack = Mammoth
Drake = T Rex

Also power wise within the crew it would make sense. If we were to look at Luffy, and say X Drake is at his level. Then using Whitebeards crew as a reference, Luffy is on Ace's level. Ace was the 3rd strongest crewmate (more or less) of the WB pirates.

WB = Kaido
Marco = Jack
Jozu = 2nd calamity
Ace = X Drake

power wise it makes sense. DF wise it makes sense. And he's even shown causing destruction in a cover page.

1. Luffy is stronger than Ace.
2. Marco, Jozu, and Vista are WB's top 3 men.

 

[ToshiZO]

1. Luffy is stronger than Ace.
2. Marco, Jozu, and Vista are WB's top 3 men.

1.Ok? They are around the same level.
2.According to you yes, the only thing clearly laid out was Marco and Jozu being superior, nothing about Vista. And even if Vista is stronger than Ace which isn't true, they would both be around the same level.