Ashura did get a power up from the old man!

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WalksInShadows said:
Viz has been known to occasionally drop the ball on its translations, and it seems like this is one of those times. The DB made something of a concerned effort to concretely state that no powerups were ever doled out between the 2 brothers.
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Or you know, it might be kishi's fault because he stopped caring towards the end of the manga.
 
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gerizzyYMcrew said:
it is a nice rebuttle...and since you do not know how to analyze then I will do it for you:

ps do you have the statement from ANY SOURCE that states asura had six paths senjutsu?
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You conceded that Ashura had TSB and claimed that Rikudou Senjutsu isn't the only way to obtain TSB meaning that he had to have the Tenseigan.

I claimed that there is no logical way for him to awaken the Tenseigan and yet you still continue with the same bull that he couldn't have had Rikudou Senjutsu even though that's a more logical conclusion that Ashura awakening the Tenseigan.

In order to pove that he didn't have Rikudou Senjutsu, you're going to have to prove that he could awaken the Tenseigan. If not, drop this point. Seriously, how could Ashura have TSB, not have any potential way to awaken the Tenseigan, and somehow not have Rikudou Senjutsu when that's the only other way he could've obtained them?
 
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NarutoX28 said:
You conceded that Ashura had TSB and claimed that Rikudou Senjutsu isn't the only way to obtain TSB meaning that he had to have the Tenseigan.

I claimed that there is no logical way for him to awaken the Tenseigan and yet you still continue with the same bull that he couldn't have had Rikudou Senjutsu even though that's a more logical conclusion that Ashura awakening the Tenseigan.

In order to pove that he didn't have Rikudou Senjutsu, you're going to have to prove that he could awaken the Tenseigan. If not, drop this point. Seriously, how could Ashura have TSB, not have any potential way to awaken the Tenseigan, and somehow not have Rikudou Senjutsu when that's the only other way he could've obtained them?
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I did not concede anything...it's pretty simple actually:

1. hamura had truth seeking balls before he awakened the tenseigan...which means you are wrong (once again)

2. you are not using logical conclusions...you are guessing based on bullshit claims that were not stated in the manga

3. I don't have to prove jack shit since hamura had truth seeking balls before awakening the tenseigan...the burden of proof falls on you for claiming that asura otsutsuki had something that kishimoto did not state he had in the manga or databook
 
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gerizzyYMcrew said:
I did not concede anything...it's pretty simple actually:

1. hamura had truth seeking balls before he awakened the tenseigan...which means you are wrong (once again)
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This means that he had Rikudou Senjutsu which aligns perfectly to the manga and Hamura inheriting some of Kaguya's power.

2. you are not using logical conclusions...you are guessing based on bullshit claims that were not stated in the manga
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Nope, we have the manga implying that Ashura inherited more from Hagoromo and we have the manga displaying his usage of TSB which indicates that he has Rikudou Senjutsu. What's the issue here?

3. I don't have to prove jack shit since hamura had truth seeking balls before awakening the tenseigan...the burden of proof falls on you for claiming that asura otsutsuki had something that kishimoto did not state he had in the manga or databook
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The burden of proof falls on me when the Databook outright states that RSM is what enables one to use TSB?

That's an indication that Ashura did have Rikudou Senjutsu.

Since he had TSB, can you tell me how he obtained them and then we'll discuss from there.
 
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Nanadaime Sama said:
Here's the viz. Seems like a plothole...
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Thread!!! Why is this topic still going on??? Ashura got a free power up from Hagoromo....
 
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We got nothing on the back story of Indra and Ashura, Narutowiki gave us more on Ashura, like his nature types and jutsus. On Indra it only states one thing under jutsu and that's susanoo, and for nature types it only mentions Yin release...

The manga gives us nothing on the story, only little pieces like, black zetsu tempted Indra, but we don't know with what, in the databook it said Indra created ninjutsu, so I don't know what they used to fight before then considering ninshuu was created for peace.

We also don't know if Hagoromo gave people who weren't born with chakra any type of chakra in order to connect people, but if Indra created ninjutsu to start wars, and others used it for that, did they get chakra somewhere?

Because at the time only Kaguya, Hagoromo, Hamura, Indra and Ashura have chakra, and they got it because of Kaguya eating the fruit and passing it down through genetics to her offspring, and they pass it down the same way through thier offspring.

Still not sure where she comes from originally, seen as Kishi left that out, with Hagoromo saying that where Kaguya came from is not important.

Did Hagoromo hand out chakra in teachings trying to connect everyone? Or only to Ashura as a power up when he became successor?
 
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NarutoX28 said:
This means that he had Rikudou Senjutsu which aligns perfectly to the manga and Hamura inheriting some of Kaguya's power.



Nope, we have the manga implying that Ashura inherited more from Hagoromo and we have the manga displaying his usage of TSB which indicates that he has Rikudou Senjutsu. What's the issue here?



The burden of proof falls on me when the Databook outright states that RSM is what enables one to use TSB?

That's an indication that Ashura did have Rikudou Senjutsu.

Since he had TSB, can you tell me how he obtained them and then we'll discuss from there.
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1. fan fiction unless you show me exactly where in the manga or databook did it ever state this.

2. more fan fiction...the manga implies that asura had truth seeking balls yet six paths senjutsu isn't the only way to achieve it so you are making shit up...unless you can do what I pointed out above it will always be fan fiction

3. the databook did state that...but RSM (six paths sage mode) is just 1 component of six paths senjutsu right?...thats an indication of asura having what could be ANYTHING...kaguya could also form truth seeking balls...did asura have truth seeking balls floating around his back 24-7 like hagoromo and hamura?...WHERE WAS IT STATED that asura had any form of senjutsu?

ps are you a moron?...reply to your own posts...and what you are doing is using 2 pathetic fallacies that have no bearings on my comments...one of them is denying the antecedent.

YOU claim asura otsutsuki has six paths senjutsu dispite it being stated NO WHERE in the manga or databook so the burden of proof will ALWAYS fall on you...I can deny such a claim because there is no STATEMENT for it...do you understand? (don't worry I am sure you do not)
 
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gerizzyYMcrew said:
1. fan fiction unless you show me exactly where in the manga or databook did it ever state this.

2. more fan fiction...the manga implies that asura had truth seeking balls yet six paths senjutsu isn't the only way to achieve it so you are making shit up...unless you can do what I pointed out above it will always be fan fiction

3. the databook did state that...but RSM (six paths sage mode) is just 1 component of six paths senjutsu right?...thats an indication of asura having what could be ANYTHING...kaguya could also form truth seeking balls...did asura have truth seeking balls floating around his back 24-7 like hagoromo and hamura?...WHERE WAS IT STATED that asura had any form of senjutsu?

ps are you a moron?...reply to your own posts...and what you are doing is using 2 pathetic fallacies that have no bearings on my comments...one of them is denying the antecedent.

YOU claim asura otsutsuki has six paths senjutsu dispite it being stated NO WHERE in the manga or databook so the burden of proof will ALWAYS fall on you...I can deny such a claim because there is no STATEMENT for it...do you understand? (don't worry I am sure you do not)
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Lel you say this like it's a far-fetch thing for Asura to have six paths sage mode. :bdpf:


Asura abilties aren't canonnically explained but we do know for a fact their is only a limited amount of ways to get TSB in the manga.

One is a Juubi Jin and the other is Six Paths Sage mode so....the only one relying heavily on fanfic in this thread is you.
 
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' ~ Dantee ~ ' said:
One is a Juubi Jin and the other is Six Paths Sage mode so....the only one relying heavily on fanfic in this thread is you.
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another is tenseigan...another is how hamura used truth seeking balls before awakening tenseigan...kaguya also used truth seeking balls...so you are quite wrong...the fan fic is claiming someone had something dispite it never being stated at all in the manga
 
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gerizzyYMcrew said:
another is tenseigan...another is how hamura used truth seeking balls before awakening tenseigan...kaguya also used truth seeking balls...so you are quite wrong...the fan fic is claiming someone had something dispite it never being stated at all in the manga
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Kaguya was a Jubbi Jin. Hamaru had tenseigan tho? Still we can only theorize what Ashura had and six paths sage mode is very likely. I dont see why it would even be hard to believe when the Naruto and him are so similar :bdpf:
 
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