DRSM Madara vs DMS kakashi

[Caesartheape]

Limbos gangrape Kakashi.

The only way to be 100% safe is to stay phased... but we all know he can't win that way. As soon as he tries anything offensive, he gets countered by a Limbo clone and beaten down hard.

Remember what 1 Limbo did to 9 bijuus? Yeah 4 would be overkill for Kakashi

 

[isonworth18]

Kakashi's PS was on the same level as Sasuke's due to it being powered by the rikudou chakra obito had from the juubi.

The same is not true for madara's PS, it gets annihilated.

it was powered by a small portion of madara's rikudou and jubui chakra. sasuke literally got halve of hagoromos chakra directly and even awakened rinnegan. sasukes ps shit stomps kakashi, everyone should know this by now

 

[BLAZE]

Kakashi's PS was on the same level as Sasuke's

lol what :|

 

[Eng nawashi]

it was powered by a small portion of madara's rikudou and jubui chakra. sasuke literally got halve of hagoromos chakra directly and even awakened rinnegan. sasukes ps shit stomps kakashi, everyone should know this by now

The only possible PS rinnegan sasuke's PS would shitstomp is his EMS version's PS ,any stronger PS wouldn't get stomped in any shape or form .
Lol @half hagoromo chakra ,I swear you don't even know what you are talking about .

Lol at your whole logic .sasuke doesnt buff his susano with his whole chakra just the amount of chakra needed to manifest PS which kakashi has .

 

[Kunihi]

DRSM madara also has rikudou chakra, so his PS would be buffed with rikudou chakra, so no he does'nt get annihilated

If DR Madara's PS is on the same level as Sasuke's PS, then it doesn't get annihilated. Sasuke's one isn't just rinnegan chakra though, it's that plus the chakra that hagoromo gave him which is why it gets some crazy feats.

it was powered by a small portion of madara's rikudou and jubui chakra. sasuke literally got halve of hagoromos chakra directly and even awakened rinnegan. sasukes ps shit stomps kakashi, everyone should know this by now

From what you've posted, i don't see how that refutes what I and the manga have stated. Kakashi didn't get a ton of chakra which is why he could only use PS for a few minutes, however the quality of his chakra is definitely on par with Sasuke's own (rikudou madara + juubi's rikudou senjutsu).

 

[Oblivionx]

if kakashi can't see/sense limbo then madara wins for obvious reasons. Anyone who can't see/sense limbo even rikudo tier will lose to any version of limbo madara. But if he can see/sense limbo then madara gets obliterated.

 

[Uchihakil]

if kakashi can't see/sense limbo then madara wins for obvious reasons. Anyone who can't see/sense limbo even rikudo tier will lose to any version of limbo madara. But if he can see/sense limbo then madara gets obliterated.

But he can't see nor sense it, so just say it, kakashi gets shat on

 

[Oblivionx]

But he can't see nor sense it, so just say it, kakashi gets shat on

okay if that makes you happy

 

[Eng nawashi]

Limbo rapes kakashi !!!,Seriously!!? Limbo is completely useless as long as kakashi manifesting susano .

 

[Uchihakil]

Limbo rapes kakashi !!!,Seriously!!? Limbo is completely useless as long as kakashi manifesting susano .

I guess you missed the part were 1 limbo shat on 9 bijuus, so 4 limbos would shit all over kakashi's PS from all directions, on top of madara also attacking with susano kunais, yasaka magatamas from a far, kakashi would be totally ****ed, getting hit from all angles

 

[isonworth18]

The only possible PS rinnegan sasuke's PS would shitstomp is his EMS version's PS ,any stronger PS wouldn't get stomped in any shape or form .
Lol @half hagoromo chakra ,I swear you don't even know what you are talking about .

Lol at your whole logic .sasuke doesnt buff his susano with his whole chakra just the amount of chakra needed to manifest PS which kakashi has .

either way even if your right the amount of chakra he uses to maifest his PS is still stronger than the chakra kakashi uses to manifest his PS

 

[NarutoX28]

I fail to see how DRSM Madara's PS even compares to DMS Kakashi's or Rikudou Sasuke's. You have to be joking if you're claiming that a small amount of Senjutsu and Rikudou Chakra even compares to Rikudou Sasuke who's an Indra Transmigrant with Rikudou Chakra that enabled him to match a Juubi Jin w/ a boost from the Shinju.

 

[Holy God]

I fail to see how DRSM Madara's PS even compares to DMS Kakashi's or Rikudou Sasuke's. You have to be joking if you're claiming that a small amount of Senjutsu and Rikudou Chakra even compares to Rikudou Sasuke who's an Indra Transmigrant with Rikudou Chakra that enabled him to match a Juubi Jin w/ a boost from the Shinju.

Madara's main chakra quality is comparable to Hagoromo's being that his DNA generates chakra that is a mixture of Ashura's, Indra's, and his own. His chakra is almost as if he was born from Kaguya herself, so it's no surprise that his Perfect Susano'o matches theirs.

 

[NarutoX28]

Madara's main chakra quality is comparable to Hagoromo's being that his DNA generates chakra that is a mixture of Ashura's, Indra's, and his own.

That's not true or else Madara wouldn't have been trying to get close to Hagoromo's power.

Even then, if what you're saying is true, his V3 Susano'o wouldn't have only been comparable to EMS Sasuke's V3 Susano'o and BM Naruto's Kurama Avatar. Hell, Hashirama only mentions that RT Madara's abilities were the same as they were when he was Alive, so clearly, his Rikudou boost was relatively small or he would've been stated to have been significantly stronger.

His chakra is almost as if he was born from Kaguya herself, so it's no surprise that his Perfect Susano'o matches theirs.

Which doesn't make sense when Rikudou Sasuke could match Madara w/ all of the Juubi's power.

If Rikudou Sasuke's boost produced a boost similar to having the full power of the Juubi, then clearly, DRSM Madara is vastly inferior to Rikudou Sasuke as he lacks the Juubi + Shinju.

 

[Holy God]

That's not true or else Madara wouldn't have been trying to get close to Hagoromo's power.

Even then, if what you're saying is true, his V3 Susano'o wouldn't have only been comparable to EMS Sasuke's V3 Susano'o and BM Naruto's Kurama Avatar.

He was still missing his other Rinnegan when Hagoromo said that. That was the only thing he was missing to reach his level.

You're assuming that Six Paths chakra produces a huge results in an attack's power. The only instance of such was Sasuke applying it to Chidori because it was sage chakra.

Which doesn't make sense when Rikudou Sasuke could match Madara w/ all of the Juubi's power.

If Rikudou Sasuke's boost produced a boost similar to having the full power of the Juubi, then clearly, DRSM Madara is vastly inferior to Rikudou Sasuke as he lacks the Juubi + Shinju.

Don't know what you're talking about here. Sasuke doesn't match Madara in any category except for intellect.

You're blowing his upgrade out of proportion. Let me compare for you DRSM Madara and Six Paths Sasuke.

1. They both have the Mangekyou Sharingan
2. They both have the Rinnegan
3. They both have Six Paths/Sage chakra
4. They both have Perfect Susano'o
5. Madara has the Wood-Style
6. Madara has Sage Mode

The difference between them is small and the only reason why Sasuke could win is because of Amenotejikara, which Madara may or may not be able to react to.

 

[Uchihakil]

That's not true or else Madara wouldn't have been trying to get close to Hagoromo's power.

Even then, if what you're saying is true, his V3 Susano'o wouldn't have only been comparable to EMS Sasuke's V3 Susano'o and BM Naruto's Kurama Avatar. Hell, Hashirama only mentions that RT Madara's abilities were the same as they were when he was Alive, so clearly, his Rikudou boost was relatively small or he would've been stated to have been significantly stronger.



Which doesn't make sense when Rikudou Sasuke could match Madara w/ all of the Juubi's power.

If Rikudou Sasuke's boost produced a boost similar to having the full power of the Juubi, then clearly, DRSM Madara is vastly inferior to Rikudou Sasuke as he lacks the Juubi + Shinju.

No what hashi said was madara was using his past techniques of when he was alive (katon haijingakure) not that his rikudou buff was small, he did'nt even have any rinnegan then when hashi made that remark

 

[Uchihakil]

He was still missing his other Rinnegan when Hagoromo said that. That was the only thing he was missing to reach his level.

You're assuming that Six Paths chakra produces a huge results in an attack's power. The only instance of such was Sasuke applying it to Chidori because it was sage chakra.



Don't know what you're talking about here. Sasuke doesn't match Madara in any category except for intellect.

You're blowing his upgrade out of proportion. Let me compare for you DRSM Madara and Six Paths Sasuke.

1. They both have the Mangekyou Sharingan
2. They both have the Rinnegan
3. They both have Six Paths/Sage chakra
4. They both have Perfect Susano'o
5. Madara has the Wood-Style
6. Madara has Sage Mode

The difference between them is small and the only reason why Sasuke could win is because of Amenotejikara, which Madara may or may not be able to react to.

Ameno is what gives sasuke the edge, without it, it would be one hella of a battle

 

[NarutoX28]

He was still missing his other Rinnegan when Hagoromo said that. That was the only thing he was missing to reach his level.

Madara also considered the Juubi as part of Hagoromo's Power, so Madara having access to both of the Rinnegan doesn't matter when he lacked a huge part of what made him have the Six Paths complete power.

You're assuming that Six Paths chakra produces a huge results in an attack's power. The only instance of such was Sasuke applying it to Chidori because it was sage chakra.

No, we saw what it did with Sasuke and his physicality improved drastically. Even Kakashi mentioned that his techniques had a huge upgrade due to Rikudou's Chakra.

But Sage Chakra? Where did you come up with this? Sasuke had received the same type of Chakra that Madara did, both were attained through different ways. The reason why Sasuke's techniques improved so drastically was due to the Volume of Rikudou Chakra he has compared to Madara's.

Don't know what you're talking about here. Sasuke doesn't match Madara in any category except for intellect.

You're blowing his upgrade out of proportion. Let me compare for you DRSM Madara and Six Paths Sasuke.

1. They both have the Mangekyou Sharingan
2. They both have the Rinnegan
3. They both have Six Paths/Sage chakra
4. They both have Perfect Susano'o
5. Madara has the Wood-Style
6. Madara has Sage Mode

And you're ignoring the quality of each of those attributes.

I can very well apply the same logic and claim how EMS Sasuke > Indra because:

1. Both possess Rikudou's Yin Chakra.
2. Both possess Choku Tomoes.
3. Both possess Perfect Susano'o.
4. Sasuke has the EMS.
5. Sasuke also possess Hashirama's Chakra (if we want to include his state after Kabuto injected Senju Cells within his body).

Yet one who actually applies common sense would realize that this is not the case.

How about another example? EMS Sasuke = EMS Madara because:

1. Both possess Indra's Chakra.
2. Both possess EMS.
3. Both possess Choku Tomoes.
4. Both possess Perfect Susano'o.

Yet Madara is obviously superior, but apparently EMS Sasuke is his equal because they possess the same powers. Clearly, quality of each power has to be taken into consideration.

But I'll refute your point directly:

1. Yes, both possess the Mangekyo and the Rinnegan. However, the advantage Sasuke possesses is being able to use the Rinnegan and Sharingan simultaneously to enhance his ocular prowess which is something that made Kaguya fearsome according to Hagoromo's perspective, someone who possesses more of the Six Paths power than DRSM Madara.

2. Again, Sasuke's Rikudou Chakra provided a significant boost to the point where he could match DRSM Madara after he had possession over the Juubi's Full Power (9 Bijuus (Kaguya) + Shinju's Chakra) meaning that Sasuke's own Rikudou Chakra dwarfs DRSM Madara's own Rikudou Chakra.

3. Please, Madara's Susano'o didn't seem to have any significant jumps in the way Sasuke's did. Madara's V3 Susano'o still remained the same whereas EMS Sasuke's easily dwarfed EMS Madara's PS in terms of feats. Considering Rikudou Madara's Susano'o didn't make any notable improvements, his PS was likely around the same level of strength as EMS Madara's PS. Even then, does DRSM Madara have feats of his Chakra being able to rival one with the Juubi's full power or a Rikudou Senjutsu User with Kurama's Chakra? No he doesn't.

4. Madara's Wood Style is pathetic. His highest level of Mokuton shown was Wood Dragon which Full Kurama easily countered despite the Mokuton's ability to suppress a Bijuu's Power. Madara's PS is physically stronger than that and Rikudou Sasuke's is obviously much stronger, so that's merely a non-factor.

5. Haha, let me show you how pathetic of a power that even Madara confirmed it:

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6. Complete denial. Admitting that DRSM Madara would suddenly be able to react to Sasuke's Ameno when Juubidara (Post-Shinju) struggled reacting to Ameno is complete denial. I can't take that seriously.

Juubidara, Kaguya, and RSM had trouble reacting to Ameno (when timed properly). DRSM Madara doing something that Juubidara couldn't is illogical.

 

[NarutoX28]

No what hashi said was madara was using his past techniques of when he was alive (katon haijingakure) not that his rikudou buff was small, he did'nt even have any rinnegan then when hashi made that remark

I reread the scan and I'll concede. You're correct here.

 

[Holy God]

Madara also considered the Juubi as part of Hagoromo's Power, so Madara having access to both of the Rinnegan doesn't matter when he lacked a huge part of what made him have the Six Paths complete power.

I'm quite sure Hagoromo said Madara was approaching his and his mother's power after already attaining the ten-tails.

No, we saw what it did with Sasuke and his physicality improved drastically. Even Kakashi mentioned that his techniques had a huge upgrade due to Rikudou's Chakra.

But Sage Chakra? Where did you come up with this? Sasuke had received the same type of Chakra that Madara did, both were attained through different ways. The reason why Sasuke's techniques improved so drastically was due to the Volume of Rikudou Chakra he has compared to Madara's.

No where was it mentioned he improved physically (though I will give the possibility of it happening). Don't mention him catching up to Madara because it's unknown whether he used Amenotejikara or not as we weren't shown the chase. Kakashi himself was nothing special in the first place, and besides that, you can't compare the effectiveness of it upgrading any techniques because he never had Perfect Susano'o prior. So once again, not once ounce of any comparable power differences in techniques. I said sage chakra because Black Chidori comes from sage chakra.

And you're ignoring the quality of each of those attributes.

I can very well apply the same logic and claim how EMS Sasuke > Indra because:

1. Both possess Rikudou's Yin Chakra.
2. Both possess Choku Tomoes.
3. Both possess Perfect Susano'o.
4. Sasuke has the EMS.
5. Sasuke also possess Hashirama's Chakra (if we want to include his state after Kabuto injected Senju Cells within his body).

Yet one who actually applies common sense would realize that this is not the case.

How about another example? EMS Sasuke = EMS Madara because:

1. Both possess Indra's Chakra.
2. Both possess EMS.
3. Both possess Choku Tomoes.
4. Both possess Perfect Susano'o.

Yet Madara is obviously superior, but apparently EMS Sasuke is his equal because they possess the same powers. Clearly, quality of each power has to be taken into consideration.

But I'll refute your point directly:

1. Yes, both possess the Mangekyo and the Rinnegan. However, the advantage Sasuke possesses is being able to use the Rinnegan and Sharingan simultaneously to enhance his ocular prowess which is something that made Kaguya fearsome according to Hagoromo's perspective, someone who possesses more of the Six Paths power than DRSM Madara.

2. Again, Sasuke's Rikudou Chakra provided a significant boost to the point where he could match DRSM Madara after he had possession over the Juubi's Full Power (9 Bijuus (Kaguya) + Shinju's Chakra) meaning that Sasuke's own Rikudou Chakra dwarfs DRSM Madara's own Rikudou Chakra.

3. Please, Madara's Susano'o didn't seem to have any significant jumps in the way Sasuke's did. Madara's V3 Susano'o still remained the same whereas EMS Sasuke's easily dwarfed EMS Madara's PS in terms of feats. Considering Rikudou Madara's Susano'o didn't make any notable improvements, his PS was likely around the same level of strength as EMS Madara's PS. Even then, does DRSM Madara have feats of his Chakra being able to rival one with the Juubi's full power or a Rikudou Senjutsu User with Kurama's Chakra? No he doesn't.

4. Madara's Wood Style is pathetic. His highest level of Mokuton shown was Wood Dragon which Full Kurama easily countered despite the Mokuton's ability to suppress a Bijuu's Power. Madara's PS is physically stronger than that and Rikudou Sasuke's is obviously much stronger, so that's merely a non-factor.

5. Haha, let me show you how pathetic of a power that even Madara confirmed it:

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6. Complete denial. Admitting that DRSM Madara would suddenly be able to react to Sasuke's Ameno when Juubidara (Post-Shinju) struggled reacting to Ameno is complete denial. I can't take that seriously.

Juubidara, Kaguya, and RSM had trouble reacting to Ameno (when timed properly). DRSM Madara doing something that Juubidara couldn't is illogical.

I'm not going to comment on the Indra case, because there's a reason I didn't account for quality. As for EMS Madara being equivalent to EMS Sasuke, that is the case indeed. If Kurama is restricted, what makes Madara so much stronger than Sasuke that it makes an argument?

As for DRSM Madara and Six Paths Sasuke:
1. This doesn't matter. I'm assuming Madara can switch between the Sharingan and Rinnegan, and even if he couldn't, it still doesn't matter because we don't know what his Mangekyou techniques are besides Susano'o (which he can use without having them active). The point about Kaguya doesn't even make sense because she didn't have the Mangekyou nor the Six Paths as far as we know. Hagoromo stated her usage of the Byakugan and Sharingan was frightening, probably because she could use Infinite Tsukuyomi on individuals/crowds using the vision of the Byakugan.

2. Sasuke being able to match Madara after gaining the Six Paths chakra is a moot point. He was only able to do anything because of one technique (Amenotejikara). In strength, speed, and raw power, he loses. If you can't find some feat of him that is actually connected to having a greater chakra quality, then there's nothing for you to argue.

3. Sorry, but you can't use this a comparative. The angle at which Impure World Resurrection Madara slashed had the cut go up, so you can't exactly measure his power. Any Perfect Susano'o being significantly stronger due to chakra quality is still an invalid point until you can come up with proof in the above subject.

4. As I recall, Madara's Wood Dragon actually caused Naruto's avatar to deactivate, and since Perfect Susano'o is pure chakra, it sounds like an enjoyable snack that may severely weaken the structure. Not to mention that you're comparing Impure World Resurrection Madara to a live Madara, who's wood usage should be easily on the level of Hashirama's besides perhaps the Sage Art: Wood Style: True Several Thousand Hands.

5. Easily controlled chakra for Madara, yes, but it still grants additional power, sensing, strength, speed, and endurance (including Hashirama's instant healing).

6. I didn't deny. It's a possibility as he reacted to teleportation before. Either way, as I said, the only reason why Sasuke would win would be because of this technique.