After the first hit Whitebeard gave Akainu the chance to get up which he did and blew off half his face and then got rekt. I don't see how the second hit was thanks to the first one. Whitebeard might've died if Akainu didn't fall into the hole but I have a feeling more hits like that would've been the end of Akainu. The reason being is just like Akainu burned Whitebeards chest and he kept fighting for a long time afterwards and no one mentions that. It's true more hits from Akainu would've killed WB but he won their second fight and more Quake punches would've destroyed Akainu.
[VS] Whitebeard vs Akainu
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He didn't recover from the second punch very quickly at all. That's like saying doffy recovered quickly from Kong gun and therefore recovered quickly from Leo bazooka.
It's incredibly stupid to think that after that second fight wb was going to lose. Wb had an advantage but was unable to press it.
Kamui Sama
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Akainu didn't take much time to come back at all though, after that whitebeard hit he fell into the ground (who knows how deep he actually fell). Within the same chapter, BB arrives with his crew. BB pirates then have their scuffle with WB which finished pretty quickly considering we saw the entire fight on-panel, right after WB is killed they put the cover over him and Akainu is seen coming back, with WB pirates saying "he melted through the ground and came around us".
Furthermore, it doesn't seem like he was just lying down and recovering, the anime added onto this, not considering it canon but it gives us some perspective.
[video=youtube;GsxjPRQMrGs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsxjPRQMrGs[/video]
Considering he appeared right in front of Jinbei and the WB pirates we can infer that he was tunneling through the ground with his lava
YellowFang
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Few things to be cleared,
- Akainu can take WB's strongest attacks in the face and continue...
- Fit WB should be able to gain huge advantage using his weapon...
- There are two forms of WB, can be discussed;
> WB in his heyday:
Wins high difficutly or a little less
> WB in MF war:
Loses high difficulty or a little less
<#> Akainu Vs WB at MF wasn't a showcase of both individual's actual skills and prowess...
WB can be a lot more destructive while Akainu also has some destructive and long ranged powerful attacks...
- Akainu can take WB's strongest attacks in the face and continue...
- Fit WB should be able to gain huge advantage using his weapon...
- There are two forms of WB, can be discussed;
> WB in his heyday:
Wins high difficutly or a little less
> WB in MF war:
Loses high difficulty or a little less
<#> Akainu Vs WB at MF wasn't a showcase of both individual's actual skills and prowess...
WB can be a lot more destructive while Akainu also has some destructive and long ranged powerful attacks...
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4 things I want to state that I highly disagree with in this thread:
1. Using the Akainu/WB clashes at Marineford to talk about how the actual fight fight will play out isn't really a good argument. Whitebeard being the strongest man , should give him an automatic win over the fighters. (not counting the gorosei/kong/dragon).
2. In the second clash, for those who are saying WB got his life saved from Akainu, when AKainu fell.. no you're mistakened. Whitebeard (i'm aware he started it off with a cheapshot), would've done some serious wreckage to Akainu, had akainu not fallen, due to the fact he had already gained an upper hand in that little encounter, due to the cheap shot. So yes Akainu falling down, did pervent Akainu from being crippled or seriously damaged.
3. Whitebeard entered the battle with a huge injury. For those saying it didn't affect him.. you must be high. A person who is already sick, received a stab in the chest and you believe that wouldn't make his sickness worst? lol
4. Garp/Sengoku/Whitebeard indeed were the 3 strongest fighters at the battle of Marineford. As that is how they were portrayed. And of course due to the fact this was the "end of an era" battle. (No i am not saying current Garp/Sengoku are stronger than the admirals, I am strictly speaking of those 3 during Marineford).
1. Using the Akainu/WB clashes at Marineford to talk about how the actual fight fight will play out isn't really a good argument. Whitebeard being the strongest man , should give him an automatic win over the fighters. (not counting the gorosei/kong/dragon).
2. In the second clash, for those who are saying WB got his life saved from Akainu, when AKainu fell.. no you're mistakened. Whitebeard (i'm aware he started it off with a cheapshot), would've done some serious wreckage to Akainu, had akainu not fallen, due to the fact he had already gained an upper hand in that little encounter, due to the cheap shot. So yes Akainu falling down, did pervent Akainu from being crippled or seriously damaged.
3. Whitebeard entered the battle with a huge injury. For those saying it didn't affect him.. you must be high. A person who is already sick, received a stab in the chest and you believe that wouldn't make his sickness worst? lol
4. Garp/Sengoku/Whitebeard indeed were the 3 strongest fighters at the battle of Marineford. As that is how they were portrayed. And of course due to the fact this was the "end of an era" battle. (No i am not saying current Garp/Sengoku are stronger than the admirals, I am strictly speaking of those 3 during Marineford).
-Not pissed off, I'm just baffled how you tell me to go back and read your post. You was addressing me, I have no obligation to go back and read your old posts.
My posts sparked off that post you posted right after (which was at what I said) which then I directed at you.
WB's feats are better than Akainu's. WB had by farr the best portrayal in MF and the best feats.
Actual combat feats? No he didnt. He had too many holes while in combat he was far from the level of tangoing with Admirals for a long period of time. Simply not healthy enough to fight that battle.
It was shown time and time again that if WB was healthy he would be able to, but unfortunately he declined to the level where he simply couldn't duke it out with a top tier.
Old Healthy WB could possibly beat Akainu
Old Sick WB no chance in hell.
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Combat feats? Yes he did, he ****ing destroyed VAs and murked Akainu in their last round all while badly injured, he showed by farr the most raw destructive power at MF as well.
It was shown time and time again he could on TOP of all his conditions. It was shown time and time again it took a collective effort from pretty much a bunch of the marines, including the Admirals to take him down. Even then they only damaged to kill him with the help of the BB pirates and when he had no back up.
Old Sick WB already beat Akainu.
WB lost the War becouse of Squardo Stab and Akainu was able to land hits on him becouse of his ailing heart, and Akainu was the Second Admiral to engage WB and he engaged him after WB received stabs, and right after he roasted WB Inner organs nd ye he saw a fight in him he went away from him, and evryone think Squardo Stab was nothing to WB but we all could see that that Stab will have eventually killed him, WB could not use all his power becouse of that Stab, he used destructive powers but that was not on the level he would use if he where not stabbed, so Akainu did fight a dying WB.
He feared Shanks becouse he let his utmost priority to kill Luffy go the moment Shanks arrived...he wanted to kill Luffy that bad that he went against almost all whitebeard commanders but One man Presence stopped it all, so what do u call that, why didn't he add Shanks to the number of his statistic to go after Luffy....if u read my first post again u will understand me very well....I did not make a Logic in which assumes that Akainu would lose to Marco, I put my fact straight that Akainu Avoided to go against a Fresh Yonko Shanks, knwing that he would lose, he wanted to kill Luffy so bad that he went against all those commanders but Shanks stopped all that struggle just showing up in front of Akainu...did Akainu even try to fight him to get to Luffy or did he just shouted "saying u let dragon son escape"....the moment shanks was there he stopped attacking everyone, he even tried to kill Coby for trying to put reason to his mind but shanks stopped all Akainu's superiory just by presence.
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Not really. Right before that, Whitebeard flattened him on the ground and Akainu was stunned. Akainu was able to leap up and take half of WB's face. Nothing suggests that if the second blow didn't destroy the ground, Akainu wouldn't have been able to spring back up and deliver another massive blow. If the ground wasn't destroyed, it'd most likely just be a slug-fest. WB lands a deep blow, Akainu seems stunned, springs back to deliver a blow like the one that took half of WBs face, and WB lands another deep blow, and the cycle continues until WBs body gives out.
Also, before anyone says the panels of Akainu falling into the crevice means he wouldn't have been able to move, the bottom of the crevice was basically a river of water. If Akainu truly couldn't move, he would have drowned rather than being able to tunnel through the ground.
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KingHashirama
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- strongest man in the world (with inclusion of his sickness)
- Can't beat Akainu due to his sickness
Alright then
- goes into the battle with a hole in his chest, and blood pouring out, and blood on his face from the stab (indicating a good amount of damage was done).
- but of course it didn't put a scratch on whitebeard or handicap him.
- Can't beat Akainu due to his sickness
Alright then
- goes into the battle with a hole in his chest, and blood pouring out, and blood on his face from the stab (indicating a good amount of damage was done).
- but of course it didn't put a scratch on whitebeard or handicap him.
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-"It's not like I can be the strongest forever!!!"
That heavily implies WB no longer viewed himself as the strongest. Also, no one is disputing WB's lack of power. He carries the power to defeat Akainu, he just carries it in a body that will give out on him before such power could finish off Akainu. Sure, Whitebeard is stronger, he has more raw power. Akainu wins because WB's body, at Marineford, will give out on him due to a combination of his ailments and the wounds Akainu can inflict faster than Akainu's body will give out as a result of the wounds WB will inflict.
>WB falls down once because his condition was made worse by Squard
>Everyone assumes a fresh WB will just fall over straight away before he can finish Akainu. Which wouldn't take long if he was serious and didn't have to hold back.
>Everyone assumes a fresh WB will just fall over straight away before he can finish Akainu. Which wouldn't take long if he was serious and didn't have to hold back.
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Nothing suggest that first point.
Of course not. Fresh WB at old age vs Akainu would exactly like their first clash did. Deflecting attacks until one of the other gets an upper hand. And even if WB gets the upper hand first, there's no one top tier is demolishing another in a short amount of time. It's gonna be a drawn out fight, which doesn't favor WB.
And REALLY think about it. If you REALLY think SQUARD'S slash caused WB to have that heart attack, you think attacks from AKAINU can't do the same? If SQUARD could get pass fresh WB's reflexes to land a blow on him that WB barely saw coming, you think AKAINU would NEVER be able to do the same?
KingHashirama
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- He was right, he wasn't the strongest after he died.
It was never about if Whitebeard viewed himself as the strongest, thats irrelevant. People praised him as the strongest, ODA introduced him as the strongest, and kept that hype up by having him die while standing and presenting him as a sheer beast. Not really he was doing perfectly fine against Akainu, issue was the injury that occured before. Hole in a chest, affects sickness by a large amount mate just saying.
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old wb vs akainu = extreme extreme diff for old wb
prime wb vs akainu = high diff wb
no discussion
prime wb vs akainu = high diff wb
no discussion
The Squard stab is constantly being used as an excuse when Oda himself didn't allow that excuse to be made. He had weak haki and reactions in the first place for an attack of that caliber to land and actually hurt him significantly, if it did. He had Marco clearly state that someone on WB's level should not have an issue with Squard.
I'm actually laughing at some of these comments acting like WB is gonna defeat Akainu in like 2 mins. They will be clashing about evenly until WB suffers from a Heart attack from not being on his life support machinery and exerting himself against a top tier.
Then he loses. Yet to see any argument for WB being made other than "Oda gave him a title" you know what else Oda did? He showed WB in MF constantly falling over and being a burden to his crew.
Does a title last forever no? Was his title tested at MF? Yes and we have the results, no need to hinge on the past we have MF feats clearly telling us he is far from the indisputable strongest. He was unable to hurt any Admiral without a cheapshot and his haki was so weak that he let fodder attacks hurt him.
Vergo would fodderize the characters who were stabbing WB with his haki defense alone.
I'm actually laughing at some of these comments acting like WB is gonna defeat Akainu in like 2 mins. They will be clashing about evenly until WB suffers from a Heart attack from not being on his life support machinery and exerting himself against a top tier.
Then he loses. Yet to see any argument for WB being made other than "Oda gave him a title" you know what else Oda did? He showed WB in MF constantly falling over and being a burden to his crew.
Does a title last forever no? Was his title tested at MF? Yes and we have the results, no need to hinge on the past we have MF feats clearly telling us he is far from the indisputable strongest. He was unable to hurt any Admiral without a cheapshot and his haki was so weak that he let fodder attacks hurt him.
Vergo would fodderize the characters who were stabbing WB with his haki defense alone.
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KingHashirama
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"as an excuse".. excuse to what exactly? And what would oda use it as an excuse for?
Stating the fact that Whitebeard had a huge hole in his chest making his sickness even worst.. isn't making an excuse but stating a fact. This is literally Oda showing whitebeard getting stabbed, bleeding a lot from the chest, and bleeding from the mouth, and to add on to the details he increased the amount of "sweat" on his face.
The "excuse" crap is as pathetic as Doffy fanboys trying to claim people using Luffy being tired affecting his performance as an "excuse". Its not a bloody excuse its a god damn fact.
You know what else Oda did? He made sure Whitebeard received a big injury before the battle started.
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Yea his title was tested, and the battle gave proof to exactly why he was the strongest man when he was alive.
267 blade wounds
152 bullet wounds
46 cannon balls
Stab through the chest twice
nearly half of his face gone
Yet the mofo still died standing.
Stating the fact that Whitebeard had a huge hole in his chest making his sickness even worst.. isn't making an excuse but stating a fact. This is literally Oda showing whitebeard getting stabbed, bleeding a lot from the chest, and bleeding from the mouth, and to add on to the details he increased the amount of "sweat" on his face.
The "excuse" crap is as pathetic as Doffy fanboys trying to claim people using Luffy being tired affecting his performance as an "excuse". Its not a bloody excuse its a god damn fact.
You know what else Oda did? He made sure Whitebeard received a big injury before the battle started.
.Yea his title was tested, and the battle gave proof to exactly why he was the strongest man when he was alive.
267 blade wounds
152 bullet wounds
46 cannon balls
Stab through the chest twice
nearly half of his face gone
Yet the mofo still died standing.
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